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What kinds of snakes eat rabbits?
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Floof
New member
There are dwarf boas that stay in the range of 3-5 ft, who are plenty large enough to take a baby rabbit but not too big for one person to handle alone... I've seen adult male Nicaraguan boas that are just about 3 ft and full grown. You have Nicaraguans, Hogg Islands, Caulker Cay, Sonoran, Honduran... Okay, maybe just easier to link you to a site like Vin Russo's BCI page for a list!
It's rare for any of these dwarf localities to get over 5 ft, and even then you're just talking about particularly big females (sometimes just big, sometimes heavily-fed, even sometimes of questionable purity--it's very common to see Hogg Islands crossed with standard Colombians).
I could be mistaken, but I believe male Dumeril's boas stay in the same range (4-5 ft)? So they could be a good choice, too.
On enclosure sizes, everything that's been talked about so far (except maybe the Florida kings Beth mentioned) will need at least 4 ft of space. Carpets especially need a lot of space, as they are incredibly active. If your space limit is a 55 gallon tank, you might want to look at something different than a carpet.
You talk about only having space for a 55 gallon tank, but there ARE tanks of the same length that are MUCH more appropriate for a boa or medium-sized python. I personally hate 55 gallon tanks because they're so narrow. Really, too narrow for the majority of land-dwelling animals you might house in it (i.e. bearded dragons, boas, and pythons). I've found that the 6 inch difference between a 55 and 75 gallon tank is amazingly significant, and a 75 doesn't take up any more room than a 55. Actually, neither does a custom 4x2x2 ft cage... But that's beside the point.
It's rare for any of these dwarf localities to get over 5 ft, and even then you're just talking about particularly big females (sometimes just big, sometimes heavily-fed, even sometimes of questionable purity--it's very common to see Hogg Islands crossed with standard Colombians).
I could be mistaken, but I believe male Dumeril's boas stay in the same range (4-5 ft)? So they could be a good choice, too.
On enclosure sizes, everything that's been talked about so far (except maybe the Florida kings Beth mentioned) will need at least 4 ft of space. Carpets especially need a lot of space, as they are incredibly active. If your space limit is a 55 gallon tank, you might want to look at something different than a carpet.
You talk about only having space for a 55 gallon tank, but there ARE tanks of the same length that are MUCH more appropriate for a boa or medium-sized python. I personally hate 55 gallon tanks because they're so narrow. Really, too narrow for the majority of land-dwelling animals you might house in it (i.e. bearded dragons, boas, and pythons). I've found that the 6 inch difference between a 55 and 75 gallon tank is amazingly significant, and a 75 doesn't take up any more room than a 55. Actually, neither does a custom 4x2x2 ft cage... But that's beside the point.
carnivorouszoo
Crazy Critter Lady
Hmm, a custom? With like, plexi installed for a viewing front but a top hinge and locking lid?? 4 x2x2, that is length (like left to right), depth and height? I could do that easily. I have pleanty of time to research and build. You guys are great! I will go check that website posted, too.
carnivorouszoo
Crazy Critter Lady
I went to ACReptiles.com and it only has info for the 2008 breeding season . . . I could not find anything new. Awesome pics though! Might look into a Hogg Island, but my husband saw a few pics of different Carpets and now he wants one too
Floof
New member
Yes, that's length x width x height. I would actually recommend going with front-opening if you decide to build your own... It saves space and gives you the option to stack things/other enclosures on top, plus front-opening enclosures are often much easier to maintain. There are some good DIY projects in the DIY section here on the forum, last I checked, or you could look into professionally made PVC enclosures by companies like Boaphile and Animal Plastics.
wstphal
working in the Gulag
I really like Morelia, although I don't have any yet, and they would get to the size you want. Or a locality BCI like a Hogg, the males will be big enough to eat a baby bunny but not too big for you to handle. 48 inch x 24 inch enclosures would do for a locality BCI, and it sounds like you are handy & could build your own if you don't want to buy. Boaphile seems to be the boa owners' preference if you do, and what I have seen of their enclosures sure looks well built!
Edit: Mike (snakewispera_snr) really knows his Morelia, so if you go for one of those, check with him for details on care, caging, etc!
Edit: Mike (snakewispera_snr) really knows his Morelia, so if you go for one of those, check with him for details on care, caging, etc!
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
have you thought of Bulls, pines or Gopher snakes? I feed mine on Kits when I can get them. My largest bulls will eat up to a 1 to 1.5 pound rabbit.
Indigos, or cribos will also eat small rabbits. Basically anything that is a good size will eat rabbits.
So feed your animals according to size.
Indigos, or cribos will also eat small rabbits. Basically anything that is a good size will eat rabbits.
So feed your animals according to size.
carnivorouszoo
Crazy Critter Lady
Actually I may have found a Carpet for $135 with a custom cage, I just have to figure outh ow to get her to me. My car isn't big enough for the cage and I don't have a truck GRRR! But it might be a good thing if I can't get her right now. I hve 2 snakes in QT already and I wasn't really looking to actually get one now I really just emailed the lady who owns her asking for more info on them since she has some (she is selling one to make room for another that fits her collection better). Worked around to her asking if I would like to buy her since I sounded like such a good keeper. Not sure if I am but I try. Very hard. Probably going to keep researching and hold off on buying for a while though. Thanks everyone for all the info and help!
carnivorouszoo
Crazy Critter Lady
19.5x22.5x29.5" Those are the measurements for the cage. Somehow it doesn't sound big enough for this snake. I think she said its a 3 year old female, I deffinitely remember its female but not sure of the age. If I get it I may resell the cage after building a bigger one. Unless you think this cage size should be ok? Here is a link to her ad there is a pic of the snake and the cage in the ad.
http://springfield.craigslist.org/pet/2056050682.html
The ad does not have a lot of the info I have gotten, most of what I have been told has been via email.
http://springfield.craigslist.org/pet/2056050682.html
The ad does not have a lot of the info I have gotten, most of what I have been told has been via email.
ShenziSixaxis
Sticking To The Ceiling
If the snake is tame you may want to chomp down on that hook. However, carpets are NOT arboreal, so the caging isn't best. Worth keeping if you want something arboreal to show off though.
MysticExotics
(formerly NWHeather)
I second this! I <3 my carpets!!
(I have a Jungle, an IJ Jag, & the rest are IJ's)
I am pretty lucky to have both Nick & Jasser living in my state. I do not have any snakes from them, but they are both well know here.You got some good guys on your side of the pond...
Nick Mutton is 'helpful'
Yasser at spitfire reptiles....
Lots..
Try
moreliapythons.com
Have a good look at what's available before jumping in...
You really won't be sorry..
BTW.. Carpets are relatively new... So morphs are still being worked out....
the moreliapythons website is an awesome place to learn about them, see various carpets for sale, & meet other carpet peeps. (I have the same user name over there).
Luke, (Blueisola) has some gorgeous snakes & has a great reputation. I will be getting babies from Luke.
If you want to go with a Jaguar type carpet, check out Jasser's snakes. Nick gets some very cool species imported, & he keeps several different types of snakes. It all depends on what you want to get. You can't go wrong with any of the above mentioned breeders. I can give you more names of breeders in the US if you want.
That cage pictured in the CL might be on the small side, it's hard to tell. Otherwise, the style of cage looks just fine to me.
Carpets vary, & are often semi-arboreal.
Most carpets are pretty friendly, they are pretty interactive. Babies are often bitey like corn snakes. Once they get bigger, they pretty much mellow out.
They often have a stronger feeding response than corns do, from what I have seen in my carpets.
It would be a good idea to find out what species of carpet that one is, if you're considering getting it. Coastals get a lot bigger than IJ's (generall)...some IJ's can get pretty big, but in general, they're the smallest of the carpets.
Carpets are awesome snakes & you will love them!
Floof
New member
That's 20x23 inches of floorspace. The height is pretty decent, but even one of your adult corns would be cramped in less than 2x2 ft of floor space, and carpets are much bigger and tend to be much more active. So, yes, the cage is going to be too small for an adult carpet.
I'd be a little skeptical of the woman's knowledge, and the snake's supposed good health, if her idea of a good custom cage for an adult carpet is so small. If you decide to get the carpet, find out what it's eating. I hear a lot about carpets that are die-hard mouse addicts, and starting with one addicted to mice or some other can be tough to deal with, especially when you go to try switching it to another prey item, be it rats or rabbits.
Shenzi--As a matter of fact, Carpets are known for tending toward quite arboreal. Not as arboreal as their cousins, Green Tree Pythons, but they spend a fair amount of time up off the ground. The arboreal arrangement of the enclosure is actually quite appropriate for a carpet. :shrugs:
I'd be a little skeptical of the woman's knowledge, and the snake's supposed good health, if her idea of a good custom cage for an adult carpet is so small. If you decide to get the carpet, find out what it's eating. I hear a lot about carpets that are die-hard mouse addicts, and starting with one addicted to mice or some other can be tough to deal with, especially when you go to try switching it to another prey item, be it rats or rabbits.
Shenzi--As a matter of fact, Carpets are known for tending toward quite arboreal. Not as arboreal as their cousins, Green Tree Pythons, but they spend a fair amount of time up off the ground. The arboreal arrangement of the enclosure is actually quite appropriate for a carpet. :shrugs:
snakewispera snr
The Devils Advocate
That just about sums it up.... They are quite addictive and like branches...I second this! I <3 my carpets!!
(I have a Jungle, an IJ Jag, & the rest are IJ's)
I am pretty lucky to have both Nick & Jasser living in my state. I do not have any snakes from them, but they are both well know here.
the moreliapythons website is an awesome place to learn about them, see various carpets for sale, & meet other carpet peeps. (I have the same user name over there).
Luke, (Blueisola) has some gorgeous snakes & has a great reputation. I will be getting babies from Luke.
If you want to go with a Jaguar type carpet, check out Jasser's snakes. Nick gets some very cool species imported, & he keeps several different types of snakes. It all depends on what you want to get. You can't go wrong with any of the above mentioned breeders. I can give you more names of breeders in the US if you want.
That cage pictured in the CL might be on the small side, it's hard to tell. Otherwise, the style of cage looks just fine to me.
Carpets vary, & are often semi-arboreal.
Most carpets are pretty friendly, they are pretty interactive. Babies are often bitey like corn snakes. Once they get bigger, they pretty much mellow out.
They often have a stronger feeding response than corns do, from what I have seen in my carpets.
It would be a good idea to find out what species of carpet that one is, if you're considering getting it. Coastals get a lot bigger than IJ's (generall)...some IJ's can get pretty big, but in general, they're the smallest of the carpets.
Carpets are awesome snakes & you will love them!
Again.... :nyah:
And a 48" x 24" x 24" is the best size for carpets... Put in a ceramic heater and a good few perches and your snake will love it.....
wstphal
working in the Gulag
That cage looks too small but it's a nice cage for a SMALLER snake that likes to climb. The pictures aren't great but the snake looks OK to me. Ask Mike if he can tell more from the pictures -- he knows his Morelia. It's still a pretty good deal, though, if it's not too huge a drive go SEE this snake!
snakewispera snr
The Devils Advocate
TBH... The pics are so poor quality that the snake could be anything...
I, personally, would steer well clear of it... It looks like a mut/sib of some sort.. But I can't be sure because the pics are so bad...
I would look on moreliapython, find a good breeder... Look at the snake you really like the look of and buy the 4x2x2 viv... Spend the extra to get the snake you really want.... JMHO...
wstphal
working in the Gulag
Well, you got it from an expert.
Edit: I still think you may well want Morelia, I loved, loved, loved the IJs I saw at Daytona, and some type of Morelia or more than one species, is on my list for the future, so if not this snake, some other snake in the genus.