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What should the "Beast" be called? Morph name?

Gorgeous, i like the name Bestia intergrade if i saw that name in a pet shop or at a show, id have to ask what it is, its one of those names that sparks curiosity
 
That's what my thoughts were when I came up with it..I just really think it makes it sound very genuine..and yet original..I mean you could always change intergrade to ratsnake if you really want the name of the snake in there..but intergrade just lets people know it's a snake of multiple descent..
 
Thank you every one for your valuable input. I will consider all that has been said here while trying to make a decision. It will take some time but I'm sure the appropriate name will come about in due time.

Thanks again for all your help! :)
 
If the photos are indicative of what the "standard" size is at maturity, I'm all for "Titan Ratsnake" as well.

Or even the "Yeti Ratsnake". :D

regards,
jazz
 
I'm not a huge fan of many existing and proposed tradenames for "pure" corn morphs, so I really don't like them for hybrids and intergrades. Economy of language is all well and good, unless it leads to confusion or fudged identification. I've seen people confused about "jungle corns". Hey, they're corns, so why can't I breed them to my other corns and sell the offspring as corns? I'm not even a purity maniac, but I like to know what's going on, if it IS known. I'd rather that jungle corns were called "Cali king/Cornsnake hybrids". Sure it's a mouthful, but it tells me what I need to know without specialized knowledge. Likewise, I'd like to see these "beasts" labeled as "Obsoleta/Cornsnake hybrids" (or intergrades, if you prefer).

It probably doesn't matter anyway. Obsoleta x corn crosses have been around for years (probably millenia if you consider natural intergrades). I doubt that any person or group of people on this board will be applying a name to them that will be adopted by hobbyists in general. And they're kind of a niche thing, probably even moreso than jungles. :shrugs:
 
After seeing the pictures, Titan, Behemoth, Giant would be good. Those things are huge! How about Humongous Monster Rat Corn.
 
jazzgeek said:
If the photos are indicative of what the "standard" size is at maturity, I'm all for "Titan Ratsnake" as well.

Or even the "Yeti Ratsnake". :D

regards,
jazz
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If the name shouldn't have the word "CORN" in it because it's not a pure corn, I think it shouldn't have a "RAT" or "RATSNAKE" either, because it's not a pure rat either. Both words are misleading.

Roy Munson said:
I'm not a huge fan of many existing and proposed tradenames for "pure" corn morphs, so I really don't like them for hybrids and intergrades. Economy of language is all well and good, unless it leads to confusion or fudged identification...

...I'm not even a purity maniac, but I like to know what's going on, if it IS known. I'd rather that jungle corns were called "Cali king/Cornsnake hybrids". Sure it's a mouthful, but it tells me what I need to know without specialized knowledge. Likewise, I'd like to see these "beasts" labeled as "Obsoleta/Cornsnake hybrids" (or intergrades, if you prefer).
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Completely agree!!!

If you have a mixed breed dog of Bulldog and Shihzu, you say it's mixed of those two. You don't combine the breed names (like they did in the movie Dumb and Dumber) and call them "Bull". Or Shi Bulldog.

I think hybrids should be called hybrids/intergrades CLEARLY. For example in Finland we've got a tiny problem with one clutch of caramels, ambers and what ever. The father was supposed to be amber (can't remember the mother) and the babies were supposed to be caramels and amela and what ever. Only the amelas were unnormally orange like fluorescents, but pretty soon turned out bright yellow (more like butter). But suddenly after selling her babies as caramels the breeder found out, that they were NORMALS. The father is a rootbeer or at least "het. rootbeer", hybrid anyway. It was sold to her as amber.

Maybe someone had bred rootbeer with a corn (what ever morph) and this hybrid baby was then bred to another corn (amber maybe), and amber-looking hatchlings were sold as ambers. Maybe this breeder didn't even know about the rootbeer background! I don't know.

Now as I come to think of it, these babies reminded me exactly of the orange/buff babies once discussed about on another thread here!!! Maybe those ware because of rootbeer background too, and not caramel!

Anyway when this kind of things come up, it's really nasty. When ever there is some rat - what ever rat - in the bloodline, none of the corn genetics rules apply. And it's really difficult then to prove whether it's a new colour morph of a pure corn or something caused by a hybrid blood.


cka said:
How about "Beckys Big @ss Behemoth rat/corn integrades" ;)
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LOL :D
 
marinneli said:
If the name shouldn't have the word "CORN" in it because it's not a pure corn, I think it shouldn't have a "RAT" or "RATSNAKE" either, because it's not a pure rat either. Both words are misleading.
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Actually, since a corn snake IS a rat snake (they're also known as "Red Rat Snakes") ... being called a "something Ratsnake" is technically accurate.

Now, calling it a "Titan Obsoleta Rat" would be incorrect, simply because it's not all P. obsoleta.

If you have a mixed breed dog of Bulldog and Shihzu, you say it's mixed of those two. You don't combine the breed names (like they did in the movie Dumb and Dumber) and call them "Bull". Or Shi Bulldog.
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Zorse = Zebra stallion, horse mare.
Hobra = Horse stallion, Zebra mare.
Liger = Lion male, Tiger female.
Tigon = Tiger male, Lion female.
Geep = Hybrid Goat/Sheep
Cama = Hybrid Camel/Llama

It IS actually the commonly accepted thing to name a hybrid using the names of the parent species, and the male animal's name is the one used first.

Labradoodles, Cockapoos and other crossbreed dogs are also commonly known by the combination names.

By that standard, it should be an "Obsuttattus" Blorn or a "Guttoleta" Corack Rat Snake depending on which parent was the corn.

Anyway when this kind of things come up, it's really nasty. When ever there is some rat - what ever rat - in the bloodline, none of the corn genetics rules apply. And it's really difficult then to prove whether it's a new colour morph of a pure corn or something caused by a hybrid blood.
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Of course the genetic rules still apply - recessive Amelanistic is still recessive Amelanistic whether you're talking about a corn or a king or a Jungle hybrid of the two - but the phenotype differs. And yes, I agree that hybrids should be clearly labelled.
 
Ssthisto said:
Zorse = Zebra stallion, horse mare.
Hobra = Horse stallion, Zebra mare.
Liger = Lion male, Tiger female.
Tigon = Tiger male, Lion female.
Geep = Hybrid Goat/Sheep
Cama = Hybrid Camel/Llama

It IS actually the commonly accepted thing to name a hybrid using the names of the parent species, and the male animal's name is the one used first.

Labradoodles, Cockapoos and other crossbreed dogs are also commonly known by the combination names.
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:eek1:

OK, well those are only used in USA.
No one, seriously NO ONE ever calls their crossbreed dogs with this kind of combined names in Finland. It might not be illegal here, but at least it's considered non-recommended and ridiculous.

Come to think of it I remember seeing a documentary on TV about these new "breeds" in USA. These labradoodles and what ever. Gave me shivers and a good laugh. Or should I say shivaugh?

That's one of the things in USA we finnish ppl just don't understand. :rolleyes:

No offence. Don't take it personally. :)
 
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