When is a butter not a butter?

[vanderkm]

Got a real suprise when the eggs from this girl hatched - she was purchased as a butter - but she had been through several owners so no guarantees -

to this caramel male who had proven het amel from a previous clutch

and got a nice clutch of 15 eggs - was expecting my first caramels and some butters - and found these little guys wandering about - pretty dark to be caramel!!

And then I saw this little nose

way to dark red to be a butter!! And confirmed when he came out

I am confident in the background on the caramel so I am pretty convinced the 'butter' female is not a butter - and I am certainly glad I have this test breeding to confirm that rather than counting on her being what she looks like. Just another indication that looks alone don't determine the morph. I did believe she was a butter, even though I didn't think she was a good example of one -

My best guess is that she is a very yellow creamsicle - though the zig-zag paattern is not common in them. Can't think of any other options beyond being het caramel - and would have expected at least a couple caramels then. But odds are weird - I wouldn't have expected only 1 amel with 13 normals when odds are 50% amel.

Good part is that the babies are all healthy and vigorous - now I have to decide whether to incubate her second clutch! And have to make the changes to her ACR registration!!

mary v.

 

[PnyKlr]

When it's a margarine! :grin01:

Sorry, I have actually information to dole out, just being a smart alec. :sidestep:

 

[Chris Olson]

I can't believe it's not butter. :grin01:

Chris

 

[Lore]

I can't believe it's not butter. :grin01:

Chris

LOL! Darn you beat me to it... I was thinking the same thing when I saw the subject line. :cheers: :grin01:

 

[breedingcolors]

Sorry Mary about this but at least they are all in good health. And the Caramel is gorgeous!

 

[Chris Olson]

LOL! Darn you beat me to it... I was thinking the same thing when I saw the subject line. :cheers: :grin01:

How could I resist?????

Chris

 

[Susan]

Parkay!

Actually, caramels look almost like anerys when they hatch out. They usually don't start to show the yellows until after their first few sheds, and it still takes awhile before they start looking anything like what they do as adults.

Here is an '06 and an '05 caramel. As you can see, they're more brown than an adult caramel.

 

[Raiden The Almighty]

Maybe shes creamsicle?

 

[Raiden The Almighty]

Sorry posted a little late. They look to be carmels from susans pic.

 

[Chris Olson]

All jokes aside.....I think what you have there is a clutch of carmels het for amel.

Chris

 

[Raiden The Almighty]

Yea me too and an amel poss het carmel.

 

[Samurai]

The amel should be a butter if the mother is a butter, ( all babies caramel)

It sure looks like a 'plain' amel to me. I think your right about her being a cream. Great looking healthy litter anyways. At least you know there het for butter

Tyler

 

[Joejr14]

Yeah, at least all of those snakes are het for butter.

If you had posted a picture of the female and asked what she was, I would have said amel without even thinking about it. In no way does she look like a butter to me. Maybe it's just the picture though, I dunno.

Congrats on the clutch.

 

[SnakeAround]

Yeah, at least all of those snakes are het for butter.

If you had posted a picture of the female and asked what she was, I would have said amel without even thinking about it. In no way does she look like a butter to me. Maybe it's just the picture though, I dunno.

Congrats on the clutch.

I agree on that Joe! She does look good anyway though.

 

[vanderkm]

Parkay!

QUOTE]

I have to agree - myhusband has already named the little amel Parkay because he's not butter!!

I appreciate all the opinions - and actually that pic isn't the best of the female - with the black background tends to distort color a bit, but she is definitely more 'orange' in the saddles than my other butter female but her background color is very yellow. I have seen photos of butters that were similar but typically they were younger than she is - seems the saddle color and background tend to balance out more with age in butters. I would not have thought amel, although some of my amel het caramel are quite similar in appearance so I would consider that now.

I had thought she might be creamsicle when I got her - guess that is what I will consider her to be now. Fortunately I work with creams and so will breed her to a high percentage rootbeer next year and enhance the creamsicle traits.

mary v.

 

[cornsnake00]

Hybrids!

Looks like normal babies(hybrids). My caramels have alot of grey as hatchlings.