WOOOT BARRACK OBAMA

[ForkedTung]

-60-70 windchills and we still get to go to school.

of course this is after they figure out how to get all of their tongues un-stuck from the streetlight poles...hee hee...
" I fruhm Norf Duh-Cotas"
lol

 

[medusacoils]

"...influx of liberals from Massachusetts, who are trying to escape the high taxes..."

Haha! What do they think CAUSED the high taxes? If they do the same thing in NH, do they expect different results?

Oh, I know, but it's true. They are actually causing the biggest change in this state right now. Most true NHers, call the southern half of the state, northern MA. The darn sales, income and whatever other tax they can think of, comes up, from time to time. They love their big governments, but hate it, when they have to pay for it.

 

[Drizzt80]

So, I have been there. Not very often, but I still got the t-shirt!:dgrin:

Wayne

I'll give you some props.

D80

 

[kathylove]

I just saw this posted over at KS...

It is a list of co-sponsors of HR 669. In other words, our enemies. Interesting to note their party affiliations!

Rep. Grace Napolitano [D-CA]
Del. Eni Faleomavaega [D-AS]
Rep. Frank Pallone [D-NJ]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI]
Rep. James McGovern [D-MA]
Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D-CA]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ]
Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA]
Rep. Barney Frank [D-MA]
Rep. Steve Kagen [D-WI]
Rep. Maurice Hinchey [D-NY]
Rep. Sam Farr [D-CA]
Rep. Alcee Hastings [D-FL]
Del. Gregorio Sablan [I-MP]
Rep. Steve Cohen [D-TN]
Rep. Ronald Kind [D-WI]
Rep. Rush Holt [D-NJ]
Rep. Dale Kildee [D-MI]
Rep. Ron Klein [D-FL]
Rep. Peter DeFazio [D-OR]
Rep. George Miller [D-CA]

 

[vetusvates]

I have found that, basically, Republicans want to legislate your morality to their standards, and Democrats want to grab your money and redistribute it, and make you "politically correct". Of course, both parties may do some of each at times. But the key thing is that they both want as much control over as many people as possible. I see them both as just sides of the same coin.

Libertarians truly believe in the smallest government, with the least interference possible, while still keeping order. Pretty much what the Republican politicians SAY, but don't actually do. And Libertarians truly believe in "live and let live", as much as possible. Pretty much what Democratic politicians SAY, but don't actually do.

Most people who disagree a lot with Libertarians are those who feel that the government knows best how we should live our lives and spend our money, and that we should all cede our individual freedoms to government "wisdom" in MANY matters that are most important to us.

Hmm, from that description, I guess that pretty much makes me a Libertarian. Glad I can claim a label now!!

D80

Does mine surprise anyone? LOL.

Wow. I wanted to quote so many, but just grabbed a few. Thanks Kathy. Excellent post. I'm about to take the test, but I already suspect the outcome. Being in a minority, of sorts, I have always been driven to vote for who I believe will do my minority least harm . Because no party or candidate is going to stick their neck out too too far on the issue. Not yet at this point, as was obvious in the 2008 election.

 

[vetusvates]

It is a list of co-sponsors of HR 669. In other words, our enemies. Interesting to note their party affiliations!

Rep. Grace Napolitano [D-CA]
Del. Eni Faleomavaega [D-AS]
Rep. Frank Pallone [D-NJ]
Rep. Neil Abercrombie [D-HI]
Rep. James McGovern [D-MA]
Rep. Lynn Woolsey [D-CA]
Rep. Raul Grijalva [D-AZ]
Rep. Barbara Lee [D-CA]
Rep. Barney Frank [D-MA]
Rep. Steve Kagen [D-WI]
Rep. Maurice Hinchey [D-NY]
Rep. Sam Farr [D-CA]
Rep. Alcee Hastings [D-FL]
Del. Gregorio Sablan [I-MP]
Rep. Steve Cohen [D-TN]
Rep. Ronald Kind [D-WI]
Rep. Rush Holt [D-NJ]
Rep. Dale Kildee [D-MI]
Rep. Ron Klein [D-FL]
Rep. Peter DeFazio [D-OR]
Rep. George Miller [D-CA]

I know you didn't mean to annoy, Kathy, but that is the most annoying information to look at in a post that I have seen in a while.

 

[jazzgeek]

I'm a little late for the party, but here are my "quiz" results:




See, I'm not the flaming librul y'all may perceive me to be. :grin01:


Dale

 

[vetusvates]

Here's mine. I think I know which question or two, answered differently, might have put me in the extreme north libertarian corner.
And to think,...all these years, people have been stereotyping me as a raving liberal. Sigh.
I would be curious to see a 3-D image with a z-axis of socio-ethical-philosophical views measured. Seeing Dale post, made me think of that. Him being the socio-ethical-philosophical guru, for the lack of a better way to say it.

 

[Ricky87]

Then we have disability in this country you know I'm depressed give me money, my back hurts give me money, and I have chronic pain give me money- not cool with me either.

I have a huge problem with that. I have multicore miopathy, a muscular disease that affects every bit of my daily live. Look it up!. Their are only a dozen cases in the whole world, and I was never supposed to walk. Really I have pity for you, because if you had half of an idea how hard it is to live off of 600$ a month while you have to live with such a disability you would crack. I take no hand out's from anybody, and maybe you should go out into the world and meet some real people who really have to cope with things like I have to. At the age of 13 I had to have life threatening surgery to correct a 90 degree typhosis, lordosis, and sculliosis. I legally died on the table and had to be immediately stitched up as to not cause permanent death by blood loss. Then after two days I woke up in incredible pain, and I was told I had to go in to surgery again, because they didn't do it right the first time. Thank god I lived through it, and I was told I would be in the hospital for a VERY long time. I was in their a fraction of the time (11 days) due to the support of my family, and my pure will to survive.
For anybody to say disability is a handout, is a complete shame. I haven't bought anything new in years, I have the same shoes I've had since I was 15, and I cook all my meals so I can pay my mortgage every month so my family can survive. By the way I'm only 21 years old, and already I deal with things most people never have to. Overall I'm blessed, because I'm alive, and so are you, so I really think you should reflect on your own life and see how lucky you are that you don't have to go through what I've gone through and continue to go through. If I had any ounce of selfishness, and did things like drink alchohol or go to the movies, which a lot of people do, I wouldn't be able to live. Not only that, but their's people like you who say what I do, in living off social security, is easy. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just spoke without really thinking about what you were saying, but I advise you to really dig deep and think of how lucky you are. Thats real!.

 

[vetusvates]

of course this is after they figure out how to get all of their tongues un-stuck from the streetlight poles...hee hee...
" I fruhm Norf Duh-Cotas"
lol

" You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ForkedTung again. "

:roflmao:

Only because I really really like you, Brent.

 

[jazzgeek]

I am all for small government, hate welfare in most cases, but am a little republican with my money. .... Anyone can go to college its called student loans, scholarships, and pay it all back.

And yet, aren't student loans adding a level of bureaucracy to administer them? Aren't student loans a form of 'redistribution of wealth"?


Dale

 

[danielle]

Sorry you were so offended, but most people on disability do not have REAL medical excuses. I work in health care and have first hand experience watching people unlike you scam the sytem because they are LAZY and want a medical excuse to do nothing. I was reffering to those who make up illnesses or overplay pain as a reason not to work- not people who are actually physically or mentally disabled. Those people take from you extra money you probably should receive a month depriving the idea of disability benefits from everyone they were actually meant for. I work in the real world and see people who are REALLY disabled- not my cat died I can't work anymore or I'm 100 pounds overweight and now my back and knees hurt. I would go so far to say 70% of those on disability should not be and can find work somewhere. They can answer phones or work from home- something- not nothing but no people really do want to get by doing as little as possible regardless of who is paying their bills. I have an autoimmune disease and my sons autistic technically I could be receiving 2 disability checks a month but thats not the type of person I am. The system has it so those on disability both can't work or they loose their benefits and they can't live on disability and thats when people go knocking on the welfare door for MORE help because god forbid they have to get a second job. America has become the land of the takers and everyone feels entitled to their share no matter how little they do. So if my comments offended you sorry my intention was to shed light on disability and welfare abuse- not the existence of the programs

 

[danielle]

I can't speak for everyone who has a student loan, but I took mine out independently from wells fargo not the government. However, no I don't think they are a redistribution of wealth at all. You take out a loan like a mortgage, pay on it monthly, and it accrues interest. Interest payments make the world go round as ridiculous as they are and are in place to account for risk on the part of the lender for distributing the money in the first place. When we want food we buy it, when we want shelter we buy it, and when we need a drink we buy it. Yes this is money being distributed around, but thats how societies grow and thrive-money Life isn't free and if it were the planet would have already ceased to exist by now.

And yet, aren't student loans adding a level of bureaucracy to administer them? Aren't student loans a form of 'redistribution of wealth"?


Dale

 

[Ricky87]

And yet, aren't student loans adding a level of bureaucracy to administer them? Aren't student loans a form of 'redistribution of wealth"?


Dale

Word!. We all need help in some form or fashion, especially those with no solid ground to grow from. Do I wish that people wouldn't abuse the systems in place that were designed for those with no other options; absolutely, but for those that truly need it, it is vital they have it. The way I see it, the people in the position to give are far better off than those who recieve.
Even on social security I feel like I have a lot to offer, just as the future doctors, teachers, and scientists who's mother is a welfare recipient have to offer. Even in my situation I feel odd complaining about it, because somewhere there's a mother working two job's who can't afford to take time off work to see her dying son, because she has 3 more mouths to feed. To her, the little bit of welfare and food stamps is enough to get by, so who are we to complain, when things like that happen.

 

[ZoologyGirl]

I have/had government student loans, private student loans, government grants, and private grants (when I transferred to UW I had basically a full ride comprised of government and private grants). As well as had a 25 hour/week job.

Frankly, if it weren't for the grants (government and private) I probably would not have been able to scrounge up enough to have been able to go to college. My mother could not afford it, and probably wouldn't have gotten enough loans (or I would have so many loans that it would be near impossible for me to pay that much after I graduated). I was scraping by as it was even with the job. I'm still scraping by, but managing. But without those grants I would be in a lot worse shape at this time.

 

[jazzgeek]

I can't speak for everyone who has a student loan, but I took mine out independently from wells fargo not the government. However, no I don't think they are a redistribution of wealth at all. You take out a loan like a mortgage, pay on it monthly, and it accrues interest. Interest payments make the world go round as ridiculous as they are and are in place to account for risk on the part of the lender for distributing the money in the first place. When we want food we buy it, when we want shelter we buy it, and when we need a drink we buy it. Yes this is money being distributed around, but thats how societies grow and thrive-money Life isn't free and if it were the planet would have already ceased to exist by now.

And it's been decades since I took mine out (and yes, I repaid it), but the whole point of GSLs is to offer the financing of education at a lower rate than, say, a mortgage or a car.....the justification is that investing in human capital brings a better "ROI" for the country as a whole.

The "cost of money" (the interest rate) is subsidized through the government.....even if you got your loan through Wells Fargo, US Bank (where I got mine when it was First Wisconsin Bank), or wherever.

Thus, because of the lower interest rate (the subsidy) "wealth" IS being "redistributed". Money that could be going to something with a higher rate of return is instead channeled to the GSL program.

When you take out a mortgage or car loan, you're paying it back RIGHT AWAY.....repayment of (most) student loans are deferred as long as you maintain part-time status. So, not only are you getting it at a lower interest rate, but you're also delaying repayment for a period of time. And any Finance 101 student will tell you about "present value"......time IS money.


Dale

 

[danielle]

Also money given for student loans is increaing our contribution to society once we graduate. Does every college grad earn more than their high school grad counterpart? NO do most YES statistically. I guess if you wanna call that a redistribution of wealth you can, but in reality it is wealth that not only is paid back with interest, but it creates a person who can sustain themselves in society which saves in the long run. Our government should be using our money to improve public schools, roads, and maintain our towns so we can keep living and contributing to them. Those types of wealth distributions again pay back ten fold by sustaining society not allowing society to be taken advantage of.

 

[danielle]

Thats only if those other loans taken out with a higher interest rate are not defaulted on All money that comes and goes is redistributed- it is the way it is redistributed that matters for us. If someone pays $50 to make $1,000 in 3 years this is a good redistribution of wealth, but when one pays that same $50 and never sees a penny back this is a loss. We as a whole take several losses because of people that will never contribute and looking at our mortgage crisis look at how our economy as a whole plunged when millions of people took out loans they knew they couldn't afford.

And it's been decades since I took mine out (and yes, I repaid it), but the whole point of GSLs is to offer the financing of education at a lower rate than, say, a mortgage or a car.....the justification is that investing in human capital brings a better "ROI" for the country as a whole.

The "cost of money" (the interest rate) is subsidized through the government.....even if you got your loan through Wells Fargo, US Bank (where I got mine when it was First Wisconsin Bank), or wherever.

Thus, because of the lower interest rate (the subsidy) "wealth" IS being "redistributed". Money that could be going to something with a higher rate of return is instead channeled to the GSL program.

When you take out a mortgage or car loan, you're paying it back RIGHT AWAY.....repayment of (most) student loans are deferred as long as you maintain part-time status. So, not only are you getting it at a lower interest rate, but you're also delaying repayment for a period of time. And any Finance 101 student will tell you about "present value"......time IS money.


Dale

 

[Ricky87]

Sorry you were so offended, but most people on disability do not have REAL medical excuses. I work in health care and have first hand experience watching people unlike you scam the sytem because they are LAZY and want a medical excuse to do nothing. I was reffering to those who make up illnesses or overplay pain as a reason not to work- not people who are actually physically or mentally disabled. Those people take from you extra money you probably should receive a month depriving the idea of disability benefits from everyone they were actually meant for. I work in the real world and see people who are REALLY disabled- not my cat died I can't work anymore or I'm 100 pounds overweight and now my back and knees hurt. I would go so far to say 70% of those on disability should not be and can find work somewhere. They can answer phones or work from home- something- not nothing but no people really do want to get by doing as little as possible regardless of who is paying their bills. I have an autoimmune disease and my sons autistic technically I could be receiving 2 disability checks a month but thats not the type of person I am. The system has it so those on disability both can't work or they loose their benefits and they can't live on disability and thats when people go knocking on the welfare door for MORE help because god forbid they have to get a second job. America has become the land of the takers and everyone feels entitled to their share no matter how little they do. So if my comments offended you sorry my intention was to shed light on disability and welfare abuse- not the existence of the programs

Yes, I know people are out their who cheat the system, but if America allows them to take away social security than my mother can't eat, and I can't live. Sounds mello-dramatic, but it really is that real. Don't get me wrong, I wish that their weren't abusers of the system, because it hurts those who need it, but taking away SSI would literally destroy some honest people. When I applied for SSI when I turned 18, I was declared under the "permanently disabled" category, which validates my condition, but it doesn't cure it. I would work every day of my life for free if I could, if it gave me the chance to run, or jump, or get a job I love. Everyday is tough, because I can't fulfill my need to achieve, but it's in the cards so that's what I do. It does allow me to express my artistic side, so it does have a lot of good in it, but all my paints are gifts, because I can't afford them, and my computer was given to me by a family friend who say the struggle and wanted to assist me. I'm really not trying to be all "Negative Ned" about it. It just is hard. I would hope people can at least see that your health is whats important, and if your in the position to feed someone in need than that's a small price to breathe, really. I plan on really being a great artist, and when I get my chance I will have zero problem giving back to people just like me, or letting someone who is able know how hard it is to live with any illness!.

 

[ForkedTung]

A wise man once said.......

Compassion is the keen awareness of the interdependence of all things.
–Thomas Merton