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COHABBING QUESTIONS AND ADVICE

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big chris

Chris & Jamie
This is not a thread to debate whether cohabbing is right or wrong. This thread is meant for those who have made up their mind to house their snakes together and may still have questions or may encounter problems that they would like help with.

Under no circumstances should cohabbing be done out of financial necessity, if you can't afford to run two tanks then you don't need two snakes.

Under no circumstances should you feed your snakes in the same habitat. Even under close supervision this is something that could go wrong in a split second and could cause irreversible damage.

If you have any questions or concerns about whether or not to cohab I recommend seeking the advice of nanci @ snickersnakes she always has so of the most up to date information while it is her opinion may not be impartial (she is adamantly opposed to cohabbing) the information she can provide is very important you should know the risks involved in your decisions.

That all being said I personally house 3 corns in one tank 3 bearded dragons in one tank 2 rainbow boas in a tank and 2 hognose snakes in a tank.

I recently had a scare that one of my corns would try to cannibalize one of its tank mates because of how active he was after eating. While I received absolutely zero help on the open forum (the only open messages on the thread were angry ones about anti-cohabbing) but I received a lot of good advice from people that were tired of fighting this fight but still were willing to help others just not willing to take the public abuse from those that despise cohabbing. We came to the conclusion that the meal was adequate and that the extra activity was not a sign of hunger but was a digestive technique using tank branches to move food down.

Please know that just because you have made the decision to cohab your snakes it doesn't mean that people have to agree with your decision quite the contrary expect them to voice their opinion quite loudly they scream it from the roof tops. But their opinion doesn't mean that your opinion is wrong and it definitely doesn't mean that if you have a problem you don't have a right to have a place to talk about that problem, this thread is that place I have talked to moderators and bullying of any member will not be tolerated that being said if someone comes on this thread and calls me a idiot or if someone chooses to attack you for asking a pro-cohabbing question do not engage them in the fight that they are looking for address it with the moderators and let them do their job whether they agree with you or the attacker they will be fair.

Best of luck
 
Did you start this thread before or after reading Dale Carnegie's book "How to Win Friends and Influence People"? :duck:
 
That's next on my list I just finished Nathan Satan's 666 ways to influence fiends and win over foes.

ps its an actual book great satire quick fun read
 
I suppose I don't understand the point of this thread. There are plenty of threads regarding good vs bad about co-habbing. Why does there need to be another one? Is this one meant to be in support of co-habbing and therefor off limits to people's strong opinions, or is it meant to give support to those who choose to go another route than what is traditional and offer them a pat on the back (meant in a good way) for being willing to do things their own way? Either way, there's no reason to make personal attacks. I fail to see any benefit in this thread because it will probably spiral out of control. It's not a black and white topic and it continues to be flogged like a dead horse. People can look for information about co-habbing and make up their own minds. By asking for other people's advice, the can of worms is unleashed. So let's try to play nice and treat each other with respect.
 
big chris said:
I recently had a scare that one of my corns would try to cannibalize one of its tank mates because of how active he was after eating.
..................................... We came to the conclusion that the meal was adequate and that the extra activity was not a sign of hunger but was a digestive technique using tank branches to move food down.
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Well I'm glad you figure this out.
I fed in a feeding tank so I don't have that issue to give any good advice.
 
@Dionythicus , earlier this week I requested help and advice on a home study we were waiting to undergo from social services regarding our planned adoption that being said I was seeking advice on having the reptiles in the house period, well that didn't work it quickly turned to personal attacks on my cohabbing decisions and being unfit to raise children or adopt.

It is not my wish to pat anybody on the back only to let them know others have made the same decision they have and to hopefully give them a place to address questions with out the abuse
 
Do you know I have to laugh at that thread because it was one of those things were less was better. If you would have just asked for advice on how to pass a home visit with reptiles and not even stated that they were co-habbed nobody probably would have thought twice about a previous thread of yours. lol I am not stating this for arguments sake I just have seen so many do it recently. It is almost like we purposely throw our self's under the bus.
 
Oh? Here we go again. Bad bad bad for all the animals in your care.
All those animals are solitary and should not be housed together. I've seen beardies that were housed together before. Just like you, there were three to a tank.. then one day there was blood everywhere, they were missing tails, limbs, toes, and had several wounds on their faces. One died from infection shortly after and the others ended up dying later on, far before their life expectancies were up- DESPITE the fact that they were separated after the incident. It's already been discussed about what will happen to your snakes.
I agree with cmalchow, no one, not anyone at all would have even mentioned you cohabbing when you asked about the home visit, yet you brought it up.

I don't understand why you continue to stir up this topic.
 
My sister-in-law worked at a store that sold reptiles once. One day, they had several little hognoses together in a tank.

The next day, they had far fewer, and far fatter, hognoses as they had eaten each other.
 
I know there have been some attacks lately. But making a thread like this is just going to stir the pot once again. If people really don't care what others say and continue to cohab, that is their choice. But to keep putting it out there seems to rub it in the face of those that disagree.

My own experience with cohabbing~ I recently become the owner of an adult male ghost corn that was being cohabbed with a female. He had recently stopped being active, not eating and would twitch severaly when she would come near him. He has been in my care now for 24 hours and I can honestly and whole heartedly tell you he is not the same snake I brought home yesterday. He is active and seems to be relaxed.

I do not agree with cohabbing any reptiles, but to each their own I suppose. I hope it truly works out for the best for those that do cohabb (apparently there are a lot on this forum).
~Stephenie
 
I continue because yall continue to attack people who come here looking for help you all think yalls opinion is the only one that matters and you are wrong. Wrong to attack and wrong in your assumptions, cohabbing exist and owners have just as much right on this forum as people who choose to isolate their poor poor snakes in a lonely drab life to live a life of solitude never interacting with others how sad it must be for them. I pitty your reptiles. Ok I don't I'm sure your reptiles are all quite well taken care of but so our ours and this is our spot to talk don't like it don't pop in as a matter of fact just mind your own business. And that's not addressed at all of you just the ones that seem to think they can control the boards just by running their mouth the loudest.
 
"Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence." - Robert Frost
 
big chris said:
..people who choose to isolate their poor poor snakes in a lonely drab life to live a life of solitude never interacting with others how sad it must be for them.
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Reptiles are not humans, they don't have the ability to be lonely. They are solitary animals, only coming together for breeding- the same that happens in captivity.
 
Okay. I won't give my opinion on cohabbing other than I don't see any benefits to the animals(I have both corns and dragons) and a lot of negative things that can come of it. You say that no one should cohab for financial reasons, but you don't give good reasons why you SHOULD. So, I guess my question is...if not for financial reasons, then why do you choose to do it? I am not trying to be inflammatory here, but since there seems to be no factual basis listing the benefits to the animals, there must be some benefit to the owner. If it is a space issue, I would think that would be under the same umbrella of thought as the financial reason. If you do not have the space for two animals, then you shouldn't have two animals.
 
@sierra nothing rude about your question at all, actually I like the way you asked it it was cival and inquisitive while not abusive at all. I cohab because I do see interaction and yes this is what started the fight on the last post but it is entertaining to watch the snakes together watch one doing one thing while another does something different. I know its not what you want to hear but its honestly the truth I enjoy watching them together now sooner rather than later a poster will call that sick and twisted , but I have no ill intentions yes they amuse me but don't all of your animals provide you joy mine happen to do so in the same tanks.

@ali you left out the part of the quote where I said I didn't really believe that , but how do you know what goes through the mind of a snake is it not your assumption that your snake doesn't want to be in a tank with another snake well it is mine that they are not bothered by it. Now if your snake told you this by all means snake whisperer spread the good word.
 
How old are your snakes? What size enclosure do you have them in? Have they been properly sexed, by a professional and not a pet store? Do you have a way to separate them just in case something happens?
 
Two more pages of spew from someone who obviously does. not. give. a. stinking. crap about his animals.

If he thinks that watching them interact with each other is more important than mitigating all the risks associated with that activity, he does not care. Not one bit. And if he says he cares about them, he lies.

It does not matter whose opinion means the most.
He was shown pictural evidence that they can eat each other.
He has listened to countless anecdotes about co habbing that went horribly wrong.
He simply does not care.
One day something will happen, and he will say "oh oopsie, one of the snakes is dead. They were right". But I am quite sure he will just toss the body in the garbage and keep right on doing what he is doing.

Nothing we can do about it, he (and his poor poor animals) are a lost cause.

All we can do is tell others the risks and not let this guy influence them.

This guy is "average pet shop" dangerous.
 
big chris said:
@ali you left out the part of the quote where I said I didn't really believe that , but how do you know what goes through the mind of a snake is it not your assumption that your snake doesn't want to be in a tank with another snake well it is mine that they are not bothered by it. Now if your snake told you this by all means snake whisperer spread the good word.
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No, it is simply a scientific fact that snakes do not have emotions. They are very flat brained animals, they have hardly any surface area that allows for neutron firing. Animals that have many folds in their brains, such as elephants, chimps, humans, and dogs, are very social animals. Animals with higher intelligences tend to be social because they have to work together to solve problems, like packs of wolves must be able to communicate with each other in a cooperative manner to bring down an elk. Snakes have evolved on this planet for millions of years being solitary, showing no change to their brain structures. Reptiles only have the part of the brain (we have it too) fittingly called the reptillian complex. This allows for basic survival functions that allows one to breathe without having to constantly think about doing it. It is also where instinctual behaviours such as aggression, dominance, territoriality, and ritual displays come from. This is the ONLY part of the brain that reptiles possess. More complex animals possess the folded areas of the brain, the paleomammalian and the neomammalian complexes, which allow for emotion and, with the neomammalian complex, the ability for planning, thought, language, and abstracts. Since snakes and other reptiles lack these parts of brains, what takes place in them is also lacking in reptiles.

I can also tell you from experience, that if I place another one of my snakes in with each other, there is instant chasing and dominance and fear behaviors.
 
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