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Need Some Advice

Wow, that shipping brings back bad memories. I agree with most on here about doing a BOI thread on this person. A total refund is in order. I am very sorry this has happened to you.
 
Here is a copy of what the update of the situation on the BOI, I don't feel like re-writing it.

I do have an update on the situation.

First Off he has offered full refund in full (although it will take him two days to do it) I will confirm when I get it via paypal. And I keep the snakes.

Second, he says quote "They are hypo lavender het for bloodred. They came from a hypo lavender male blood red het bred to a lavender blood het for hypo. The reason for the confusion is the male we used was sold as a hypo blood red and I never seen a hypo lavender blood red babies so was mistaken as to what babies looked like." End quote (I quoted this directly so that there would no mistake on the genetics issue)

Third, according to him that 2 helpers shipped them, and after this, one them lost their job. He admits that the shipping was horrible and their should have been insulation.

He does know about this thread since in the text he requested I tell everyone that we came to an agreement (which I would have provided all of this information anyways, even if he did not request it).

Update on the snakes: Both are alive. The male has become more active. The female has not moved from her spot. When I check on her she is responsive. She is under the paper towel, even with hides. I will try find smaller hides for both, to see if that helps.

As a member that wrote on the BOI has said, do a video of every unboxing. I always do. There is no room for disagreement when there is an unboxing video. I would add to make the unboxings as live as possible with little to no editing (and mention any editing done, if you post them on the BOI).

*Not on BOI*
While I cannot prove yay or nay I find it hard to believe him. His employees should have been taught how to, otherwise they should not have been allowed to ship, period. And then there's the whole two shipping thing.....and if he can't tell one morph (or morph combos) from another he shouldn't be selling.
 
Fingers crossed for your little ones. I'm at a loss as to how any breeder could mistake a hypo blood for a hypo lavender though!
 
diamondlil said:
Fingers crossed for your little ones. I'm at a loss as to how any breeder could mistake a hypo blood for a hypo lavender though!
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Thank you I am doing what I can.

I have no idea either, hence why I quoted him. In all honesty, I was afraid to paraphrase just incase I got one gene wrong or didn't add one.
 
I'd take his word with a whole bagful of salt. I linked his Okeetee FB page on the BOI thread - he blatantly photoshopped the pics of his snakes. To me, that is already a sign he is untrustworthy.
 
Well I backed him into a corner with the BOI with the video's on there. There wasn't much left he could say honestly. I believe that he asked me to tell everyone our agreement because he feared that if he went on there he would be attacked (the only reason I can think for someone not at least trying to make himself look a little better). Or maybe he was lazy.

I don't blame you, on my part I am only keeping what happened between our transactions and the future of the snakes on the BOI (and nothing else, if the original ad was still on KingSnake I would have screen shotted it, I will be sure to do so in all further transactions with other breeders). But it is good other members are bringing other suspicious activities out.
 
I don't remember where you said you wanted smaller hides for the babies. Mine love toilet paper tubes squashed flat! And I know you have them on paper towels, but you might make a little nest of shredded paper, just to pamper them. Poor little guys. And I would not rush to feed, no matter how much you want them to be okay. I'd give them a full week of recovery.
 
Nanci said:
I don't remember where you said you wanted smaller hides for the babies. Mine love toilet paper tubes squashed flat! And I know you have them on paper towels, but you might make a little nest of shredded paper, just to pamper them. Poor little guys. And I would not rush to feed, no matter how much you want them to be okay. I'd give them a full week of recovery.
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That is a good idea with the hides, maybe they won't roll around (one end is a small black basic plastic hide, and the other is a toilet paper roll). Should I wait a week before re-arranging their bedding as to not to disturb them? I wasn't planning on feeding them until a week, I always give new arrivals a week before feeding. ^^ <<<<I learned quite a bit on this forum.
 
Before I forget.

I would like to THANK EVERYONE for your advice through this whole process. I have never been through something like this before. There is a reason I find myself going here anytime something snake related comes up and that is because you guys and girls are so friendly and helpful.

I will keep this thread up to date as a I possibly can concerning their recovery. I do plan on re-homing them in the spring. I do not even want to consider shipping them in winter (and if I have to ship, by God I will do so much research it won't even be funny, maybe use Ship Your Reptiles although I will have to do further research before deciding.). In all honesty I would be thrilled if someone in my area would like to have them. They would be up for adoption, I have no desire to make money off these little ones. Although I will have to note their shaky genetics and I do not believe the seller on their gender nor have I sexed them (or plan to since I don't have a lot of experience, no scratch that none at all besides what I have seen on videos and that to me doesn't really count as a good primary learning tool for sexing). But I will try to find good homes with someone who will want them/love them. These two deserve that much in my book (every snake deserves that, but they seemed to be on the brink of death).

But I have pinkies for months for these little two. Pinkies galore!! And a few small fuzzies little Miss Rose Red didn't get to ^^ <<< she's growing like a weed. Although I'm not sure if they'll get to them with me, if I have to buy more pinkies I will, I have a local breeder near me that I found.

Just want to say THANK YOU!!!! again.
 
Yeah I guess I can will do. I was just trying not to stress them out too much by disturbing them, but come to think of it, not having a secure feeling hide is probably just as bad or worse.
 
How old do you guys think they are? (I know it is almost impossible to tell but might as well ask) The reason I am asking this, is because they are both very tiny. Definitely smaller than Rose Red when she first came to me, who at least weighted 10g. And the female shed yesterday, and the male just got shedding today. Maybe just a coincidence. The seller claimed they had been fed. But I am wondering if they ever have......
 
My first thought upon seeing this -before the packing, lack of insulation, presence of belly checkers, ...was that those are worms. It really doesn't matter how old they are, they haven't had many meals. Food, not age determines the size of a baby snake, so if no birth day was given, I'd just call their birth day they day they arrived to you and treat them like they just came out of the egg. I really wish you the best.
 
Chip said:
My first thought upon seeing this -before the packing, lack of insulation, presence of belly checkers, ...was that those are worms. It really doesn't matter how old they are, they haven't had many meals. Food, not age determines the size of a baby snake, so if no birth day was given, I'd just call their birth day they day they arrived to you and treat them like they just came out of the egg. I really wish you the best.
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I'm with Chip on this One. As I see it, they are Fresh Hatchlings.

Pulling for the Lil' ones!
 
Chip said:
My first thought upon seeing this -before the packing, lack of insulation, presence of belly checkers, ...was that those are worms. It really doesn't matter how old they are, they haven't had many meals. Food, not age determines the size of a baby snake, so if no birth day was given, I'd just call their birth day they day they arrived to you and treat them like they just came out of the egg. I really wish you the best.
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Is there any advice you can give? My first corn snake Rose Red was an established eater from BHB (at least in the sense she had at least one successful meal, but I believe BHB puts more than one meal in them before shipping them out). I have never ged a non-established feeder. I have 3g pinkies, since the snakes are so tiny I will probably cut the pinky in half for them. (maybe the cut across the whole body so the piece they are getting isn't as wide.)
 
Can you get newborn pinkies (reds)? They usually are 1/2 to 1g and as the name suggests, often bright pink in colour. That would save any need to cut them.
Then I'd suggest you try the boiled pink method a lot of us had success with this year. After you thaw the pinks, you pour boiling water over them and leave for half a minute or so and watch the pinks go pale and rubbery. Then offer them before they cool down too much. I know it sounds odd, but it's worked like a charm for quite difficult feeders and hard-to-start hatchlings
 
You should have feed/shed records from the guy. As for size, I've received babies almost a year old still on small pinkies. I don't feed as frequently as most people...certainly not every 5 days...more like 7-10 days do my babies grow more slowly. All cornsnake babies can take day old pinkies soon after hatching. If they are less than 10 grams (I've had some 6 gram hatchlings) I take the front legs off and squish the skull (f/t only of course). They all take them just fine.
 
I know a lot of people have had the best of luck using boiled pinks to feed their babies. I hatched a rescued clutch this year. Six babies. I offered them boiled pinks right off the bat and I didn't have a single one refuse.

I just boil the water and pore it over the pinks in a cup. Let em sit for a few and then fed them right out of the cup.
 
Oh I did use the meal worm containers. They are not see through. That might of helped as well.

I wish you the best of luck with those babies.
 
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