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I think Creamsicles are beautiful. Does anyone have pics of any other morphs of Creamsicles? If so I would love to see them
 
There are striped creamsicle, aztec... candycane corn snakes... bred from miami phase and creamsicles.... so, there is a lot of potential for different expressions as I understand it....
"CANDYCANE CORN SNAKES Bold red or orange blotches stand out against a white background, in effect creating a highly contrasting alternating candycane pattern. My ongoing effort is to get consistently deep red or orange blotches on the cleanest white as possible. These were created from several generations of selectively breeding Miami phase and creamsicles to get the proper effect."
http://www.cornutopia.com/Corn Utopia on the Web/Adult Corn Snake Colony.htm
 
Not all candy canes are from creamsicle breeding projects. Most are line bred amels without any creamsicle. I love how you find one thing, quote it and present it as absolute fact for all said snakes.

http://www.cornsnakemorphgallery.com/candycane/
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/candycane/

Candycane (selectively bred amelanistic) These are amelanistic corn snakes bred toward the ideal of red saddle marks on a white background. Some were produced using light creamsicle (emory/albino corn hybrids x corn) bred with Miami phase corn snakes. Most candy canes develop orange coloration around the neck region as they mature and many labeled as candycanes later develop significant amounts of yellow or orange in the ground color. The contrast they have as hatchlings often fades with maturity
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_snake

Also, I might add, I do not believe Kathy Love is doing very many corn snakes pairings this year. I do believe the link you provided is an old,
 
I know a couple breeders who breed various emory rat/corn crosses, "creamsicles" are just the amel version. Just about every recessive gene in found in corn snakes has probably been crossed into "creams" :)
 
I've been researching them trying to figure out if my girl is a creamsicle. In doing so I also read about snowsicles. Basically a snow baby from a creamsicle clutch. If my girl is in fact a creamsicle, then that is what my snows are from that clutch because they would be distantly related to an emoryi's. Still look just like snows, I guess the name is just to clarify their hybrid heritage.
 
beautifullywild77 said:
Not all candy canes are from creamsicle breeding projects. Most are line bred amels without any creamsicle. I love how you find one thing, quote it and present it as absolute fact for all said snakes.

http://www.cornsnakemorphgallery.com/candycane/
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/candycane/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_snake

Also, I might add, I do not believe Kathy Love is doing very many corn snakes pairings this year. I do believe the link you provided is an old,
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Who is Kathy Love? Why would she say such a thing? Does being an old link detract from her credibility in some way? I'm not trying to misrepresent her by any means. I merely copied that information and provided the link.

I am more than happy that you found information that shows the hybrid lineage of candycane corns as well. I take everything I read with a grain of salt. Who knows how well those original old lines of candycane hybrids lineage was kept? How much influence has seeped into other candycane corns of non-hybrid origin from those original old candycanes? Record keeping is definitely a must.
 
You took it as though ALL candy canes are of hybrid breeding projects. Which is untrue.

Who is Kathy Love? Why would she say such a thing? Does being an old link detract from her credibility in some way?
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Again, you are making an assumption of what I meant. Which you once again got wrong.
I was merely stating that what you posted and quoted was old information from her website. She isn't working with many corn snakes morphs in the last few years. She did work with creamsicles. I do believe when she did so they were integrades because the classification had not changed. Kathy is a wealth of information and I do speak with her about many different things, including our favorite television series.

am more than happy that you found information that shows the hybrid lineage of candycane corns as well.
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Again, you read only what you want to read. The information I provided didn't say ALL candy canes are from hybrid lineage.

Nanci's candy canes are not of hybrid lineage. They are amel Miami phase corns that are selectively bred. Like reverse okeetees!
 
beautifullywild77 said:
You took it as though ALL candy canes are of hybrid breeding projects. Which is untrue.

You are assuming I took it as though all candy canes are of hybrid breeding. Nowhere did I say all candy canes are of hybrid breeding. I do not profess to know all. I merely supplied information and a link to confirm that information that I found. I am always open to more information.

Again, you are making an assumption of what I meant. Which you once again got wrong.
I was merely stating that what you posted and quoted was old information from her website. She isn't working with many corn snakes morphs in the last few years. She did work with creamsicles. I do believe when she did so they were integrades because the classification had not changed. Kathy is a wealth of information and I do speak with her about many different things, including our favorite television series.

Your going to have to clarify what it is you mean by saying I am making an assumption of what you meant. I see where you assumed I meant all... but not where I assumed what you meant.

Whether Kathy Love was working with intergrades or a species... things do change as those are concepts man has developed.... has little bearing on anything.
I'm glad you two are able to talk about television together. I haven't had cable in over a decade so I primarily watch movies. Not sure where that is going,.... but there you have it.


Again, you read only what you want to read. The information I provided didn't say ALL candy canes are from hybrid lineage.

Your assuming I read only what I want to read. I read your posts and I read all your post when I am replying to them. I don't simply say something like... needs paragraphs.... too long to read. No attention deficit when it comes to reading your information that you supply or your opinion even for that matter. I thank you for your input even and clarification.

Nanci's candy canes are not of hybrid lineage. They are amel Miami phase corns that are selectively bred. Like reverse okeetees!
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Again, thanks for sharing that Nanci has candy canes that are not of hybrid lineage. Always good to know for some people. I see that there are in fact candy canes with hybrid lineage, some that are not of hybrid lineage, and probably... now this is where I am assuming... some candy canes of unknown hybrid origins so... assumed to be pure perhaps? Yes, I do know what selective breeding is and I also know you can selectively breed hybrids to include any gene from any snake that it can breed with to produce fertile offspring.
 
beautifullywild77 said:
I do apologize that I hurt your feelings with the "too long didn't read meme"! I was just being honest.
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Perhaps I just need a thicker skin or turtle shell to crawl into. No harm done. And again, thanks for sharing the information that not all candy canes are of hybrid origin. Even knowing where to get a good line of candy canes of non-hybrid origin was an extra-plus for many people I am certain.
 
SMH

any thread that carpe hijacks turns into a hybrid argument. go away.:mad:

anyway.. here is what the OP asked to see... my Creamsicle girl Ellie.. she is proven to either be homo or het caramel.. but here she is :D
 

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