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California red sided garter snake

Artemisace

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Figured this would be the place to post this. I'm looking to get into garters and would love to own a breeding pair of these guys, does anyone here know anyone working with them? Pic attached for reference.
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snake room
 
The snake you posted a picture of is a San Francisco garter snake, highly endangered and because they've been listed as endangered since 1967, very difficult to find in captivity. It is illegal to touch or interfere with one in the wild.
 
The snake you posted a picture of is a San Francisco garter snake, highly endangered and because they've been listed as endangered since 1967, very difficult to find in captivity. It is illegal to touch or interfere with one in the wild.
Thanks for the reply, I guess Google doesn't differentiate. I thought there were some other locals with similar coloration that aren't endangered?

snake room
 
Check with Casey Lazik, he's got some gorgeous ones!!
It has been tough for me to resist adding them to my collection, whenever I go over to his house!!
Reptilia.com is his website.
He also has a FB page.

Tell him Heather sent you. :)
 
Apparently they can be purchased here:

http://www.albinogartersnake.com/pricing.htm

scroll down about middle of the page

Scott Felzer is unfortunately out of the garter business as of late. I met a vendor at the All Ohio Reptile Show that knew him and had a few of his garters...perhaps she can help? I plan to attend the Oct. 24th show. I'll ask around then. I've been curious where his Puget Sound garters went.

(e) I believe she actually has some of his neons and is breeding them. I would contact Amy Zerkle and see if she has any available.
https://www.facebook.com/Zerkle-Reptile-Co-622349434487239/timeline/
http://www.freewebs.com/arzerkle/

Looks like she'll also be at NARBC so if you plan to attend you can meet her in person.
 
You can count me among many people who would pay thousands for a pair of garters that look like that original post's picture. From legal stock or not, no one has produced an animal like that for public sale yet, in spite of names like "neon" and "blue-sided." I feel the hue, contrast, brightness, color, and whatever else is at a photo-editor's disposal is at play here (and on scores other super-bright garter "photos"), and even in a book on endangered species, 30-ish years ago, where I first learned about this beautiful serpent. Over the years, I've been fortunate enough to see some awful pretty garters in person, but not like that photograph. The reds look almost colored in on that pic, much like the "neon blue" does on others I've seen. Gartersnakes are much like live corals in this respect, from the right angle and lighting (and in the case of the OP's picture, pure painting), an animal can look spectacular, but then to the naked eye, appear quite plain. At least in contrast. All this to say, my biggest advice is -love the animal you're buying with your own eyes, if possible, and not though a camera lens.
 
Ive been breeding Thamniphis for 10 years and what your looking for is Thamnophis sirtalis infernalis. When Scott Felzer got out of garters a friend of mine bought his adult breeders and has babies right now. If you cant find any let me know. I know a few sources for infernalis
 
You can count me among many people who would pay thousands for a pair of garters that look like that original post's picture. From legal stock or not, no one has produced an animal like that for public sale yet, in spite of names like "neon" and "blue-sided." I feel the hue, contrast, brightness, color, and whatever else is at a photo-editor's disposal is at play here (and on scores other super-bright garter "photos"), and even in a book on endangered species, 30-ish years ago, where I first learned about this beautiful serpent. Over the years, I've been fortunate enough to see some awful pretty garters in person, but not like that photograph. The reds look almost colored in on that pic, much like the "neon blue" does on others I've seen. Gartersnakes are much like live corals in this respect, from the right angle and lighting (and in the case of the OP's picture, pure painting), an animal can look spectacular, but then to the naked eye, appear quite plain. At least in contrast. All this to say, my biggest advice is -love the animal you're buying with your own eyes, if possible, and not though a camera lens.
I know this particular pic is probably doctored, the grass is way to vibrant. But I have seen videos and pics of the animals and they are absolutely beautiful even if they aren't that bright

snake room
 
I agree and ive never needed a special angle or lighting to make a garter more beautiful then it actually is lol.
 
Cali red sides are pretty easy to get but alot of other stuff is getting harder and harder to get.Most of that stuff in my gallery youll never see. I just had to get ahold of a guy in holland just to get some nice flame garters.
 
Cali red sides are pretty easy to get but alot of other stuff is getting harder and harder to get.Most of that stuff in my gallery youll never see. I just had to get ahold of a guy in holland just to get some nice flame garters.
Wow, I wouldn't imagine garters getting hard to find. They're so common in the wild.

snake room
 
Yeah but not to many people are out collecting them. Once in a while a morph will be found and those usually have a good chance making it into a breeders collection.
 
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