daddio207
THUG FROG !
Axis1, Your responses are full of thought and feelings and are definitely entertaining !!
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OMG OMG PLEASE HELP!!!
- Thread starter Karl_Mcknight
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axis1
Fuhgeddaboudit!!!!
Thanx Daddio!!
Axis1, Your responses are full of thought and feelings and are definitely entertaining !!
It's nice to be appreciated!!
(Can't make EVERYONE happy, though my goal includes getting to as many as possible, and I mean in a good way! Never say Never, right?)
Later On Daddio!!! :santa:
DLena
Corns are goram shiny!
Karl is not a toxic person. He seriously loves corns and lately there's been a rush of people with pretty serious problems who have not been highly focused on applying the urgent help they asked for and received. That generates a high level of aggravation and stress in some people. A natural response to a situation like this is to become more clipped and direct, or more strident, or even angry. It's understandable. A thread was created to vent.
I see that you are 16? A HS Junior? I teach Seniors! You come across like someone I wish I had in my classes ...passionate about your hobby, willing to share your interests with others, personable. ( and a snake enthusiast ) Please give Karl his space. It's really nice to have a place to get away from all the drama and just enjoy our mutual obsession! Yes?
:-offtopic
And total change of topic... Does your school have a summer reading list or do you have books you've really enjoyed? I teach English in North Tonawanda NY, and am always on the lookout for books my students would actually like to read!
I see that you are 16? A HS Junior? I teach Seniors! You come across like someone I wish I had in my classes ...passionate about your hobby, willing to share your interests with others, personable. ( and a snake enthusiast ) Please give Karl his space. It's really nice to have a place to get away from all the drama and just enjoy our mutual obsession! Yes?
:-offtopic
And total change of topic... Does your school have a summer reading list or do you have books you've really enjoyed? I teach English in North Tonawanda NY, and am always on the lookout for books my students would actually like to read!
Karl_Mcknight
Common Sense Holder
For your information Dear Daddyo, I started this thread for a simple single reason. Perhaps if you'd read the thread you'd know that instead of just commenting on the rear end of the thread where all the other "Off Topic" posts reside.
You stated that I was "Close Minded" because I disliked, disagreed with, and dismissed Amanda's remarks above. Therefore by "Your Own Reasoning" you too are close minded if you dismiss what I am saying here.
Amanda had nothing to say on topic, and what she did say was that "I" was not capable of helping others. That's simply not true, and "YOU" know that but you just had to jump in with your can of gasoline anyway.
If you'd go back and read the entire thread (the on topic posts) you'll regretfully discover that there are way more people who agree with me and take my side here than there are who agree with Amanda. And for your information, Amanda is Not a Newbie.
Now I wasn't going to call you Close Minded, but since you have seen fit to define it for everyone, you might want to work on getting that foot out of your mouth.
And in the future, why don't you just stay off my threads, and I'll likewise stay off your's.
That's a simple enough solution for simple people isn't it?
"Stupid is as stupid does...." <Forrest Gump>
Nanci
Alien Lover
Just because someone loses patience with trying to help someone who just...won't...listen, doesn't mean they're toxic. I think the purpose of this thread was to vent frustration about newbies who ask for help, but seemingly willfully do everything except the right thing. Not everyone can answer the same question a thousand times in a row. And saying "use the search function" doesn't help someone who is concerned and probably _did_ try to search, which is how they found us. Sadly, a lot of experienced keepers drift away when there isn't any new "content," when it's just the same old thing.
But if you want to see toxic- go back in time a few years...
Dragonling
Doesn't do "casual"
You must stay in the safe parts of the internet. :devil01: You haven't seen toxic.
daddio207
THUG FROG !
It's Daddio. Not Daddyo
You are good at regurgitating a simple statement into a long rant on what you perceived was in the mind of the poster or twisting it to fit your viewpoint. :grin01:
Why don't you post the rules of your threads at the beginning so we wont step out of bounds in them
You have a close minded view at how a corn snake should be kept and when a newbie questions it you become toxic. It's not that what you post is necessarily incorrect but it is the way you post it, blunt and unfriendly. Then you get toxic when the newbie responds in kind.
Also, have you ever considered that since the new poster has no reference of experience as you do that they just don't understand your advice. Not everyone can use common sense if they have nothing in common with the subject in question.
I have read the on topic posts and it is regrettable that so many do agree!
"Mrs. Gump: You have to do the best with what God gave you."
Well, back to reality........:awcrap:
Nanci
Alien Lover
Or as my ex-French BF used to say "I'm sure you're doing the best you can..."
Well- maybe it's something to be mindful of in the future ;-)
I mean he commented rudely before I even had a chance to not listen / not respond.... It was more of just being rude than anything else.
We do not have a summer reading list, but as far as books that have meant something to me, things like To Kill A Mockingbird, or Fahrenheit 451 if I had to think of some things right off the top of my head.
Not that I've never seen toxic, it's just that I wouldn't expect someone here to be this rude and people stand with said rude person. Congrats on 1,000 posts by the way.
axis1
Fuhgeddaboudit!!!!
axis1
Fuhgeddaboudit!!!!
I was gonna quote something that someone said earlier, but rather than throw more gasoline on the fire (and I DO LOVE a nice FLAME WAR, occasionally!), maybe I should just say the following without taking sides:
Sometimes, it is really worthwhile to listen to the message without looking at who the messenger is. I have a difficult time with this myself, especially if the message is coming from a source of hypocracy (I'm a Recovering Catholic so, need I say more on that issue?). However, if the same thing that a hypocrite says is stated by someone who I respect, I am more apt to listen to it. But why? Especially if they're BOTH saying the same thing? So, even if someone you don't really care for is telling you something, sometimes you need to just look at WHAT they are saying so as not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Just sayin'. :santa:
So, who's up for a game of dodgeball with a flammable pumpkin? :realhot:
:flames: :devil01:
Sometimes, it is really worthwhile to listen to the message without looking at who the messenger is. I have a difficult time with this myself, especially if the message is coming from a source of hypocracy (I'm a Recovering Catholic so, need I say more on that issue?). However, if the same thing that a hypocrite says is stated by someone who I respect, I am more apt to listen to it. But why? Especially if they're BOTH saying the same thing? So, even if someone you don't really care for is telling you something, sometimes you need to just look at WHAT they are saying so as not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
Just sayin'. :santa:
So, who's up for a game of dodgeball with a flammable pumpkin? :realhot:
:flames: :devil01:
HerpsOfNM
My name's Blurryface...
There are both sides to the coin here the way I see it:
1. Karl's stance. I've seen it on a number of forums that I've participated on over the 20 years I've been cruising the internet. Some of those members were naturally that way, some "learned" that way through constantly repeating themselves. No one is holding them to the candle to reply either, yet as frustrated as they are they keep replying. I've been one of those such (learned) individuals, particularly when it came to leopard geckos. I get it and I, at times, am in the same boat as Karl rowing right along with him.
2. Again, while I understand where Karl is coming from - I truly get it - I also enjoy helping out. A number of people here also seem to feel that same way, whether they've only got a year of experience and 1000 posts or years of experience and approaching 80k posts. Speaking of the later, Nanci, just go look at her personal sub-forum here (SnickerSnakes) to see all the helpful and heartfelt information she's posted within in.
I think you're confusing standing with rude with sympathizing with rude. You're 16, should you ever find yourself possibly working retail at a pet store, be it corporate or mom & pop, you'll soon find yourself understanding Karl. You may not stand with him, but you'll definitely sympathize. The worst part (for me) of getting to understand it at that level is holding a BS in Biology, mind you during a depression (not a recession), and receiving the backhanded compliment of, "Wow, you're knowledgeable! Did you go to school for this? Why aren't you doing something better with your degree?"
At the end of the day, even the kindest, nicest of people have to vent; even if it is over something as simple as answering beginner questions.
Here's a little hint though: It's not that simple, because if you step back and think about it. If the wrong information is given, you and anyone else that repeats it are shaping and molding a bad habit(s) for a beginner species. Habit(s) that could lead to a poor experience in keeping what we love, be it as simple as corn snakes or leopard geckos to as difficult as Uroplatus, Naultinus, or Boelen's pythons.