ouijia boards?

[v_various]

I believe in scientific explanations and gullible people.

And nut jobs. I also believe in nut jobs, THEY WALK AMONG US

http://yourgoingtohell.com/ouija.html

 

[SnakesRule1234]

I believe in scientific explanations and gullible people.

Well, you're gullible yourself. :shrugs: Science cannot explain everything, and most of it is guesses. So, that means you must not believe in alot of things...

 

[Roy Munson]

Science cannot explain everything, and most of it is guesses.

Science doesn't seek to explain everything, and to say that most of science is guesses is ridiculous, Paulina. Didn't I read a post from you recently that said that you wanted to be an astronomer when you grew up? Did you really mean "astrologer"? I don't see how someone with as little respect for science as you seem to have could become an astronomer (or a herpetologist-- another field you said you were interested in). :shrugs:

 

[v_various]

Science cannot explain everything

.....

Science doesn't seek to explain, it's flexible and can adjust itself to new theories and information. It's constantly growing and improving, it relies on facts and observations. To say it "can't explain everything" is silly - noting can explain everything. Not to mention no one said anything about science explaining everything, who would expect it to do that? A person would be pretty ignorant to expect any single type of system to explain everything, be it science or religion or ouijia boards.

I agree with Jamay. Science it just peachy for me! And gullible people....they certainly exist *cough*.
: )

 

[SnakesRule1234]

Dean, I don't have little respect for science. I love it, I think it's interesting and all but I just don't think it can explain everything and alot of it IS guesses. Maybe I shouldn't have said "most" but not everything they say is fact. I mean, who believes the "big bang" theory anyway?
Natural science is just messed up a bit; but I'd love to work with it.

Science doesn't seek to explain, it's flexible and can adjust itself to new theories and information.

From what I know, it does "seek to explain". The "it's flexible" stuff doesn't make sence in this sentence. Yes, it can adjust itself but it does try to explain things in the world.

To say it "can't explain everything" is silly - noting can explain everything. Not to mention no one said anything about science explaining everything, who would expect it to do that?

To say that you only believe in scientific explanations is silly too.. Saying that nothing can explain everything is a little silly, also. IMO there's explanations for everything in this world, wether science or belief has the answer.
It was mentioned by jamay, I believe... at least I took it as that.

 

[Roy Munson]

I mean, who believes the "big bang" theory anyway?

I'm convinced that the phenomenon popularly called the "big bang" occurred. There is a lot of evidence supporting it as a theory. How much research into the theory have you conducted? What did you come across that caused you to so easily dismiss it? Before you answer, here's some reading for you:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html

It's not as much fun to read as ghost stories, but you're willing to believe those with zero evidence, so give it a shot.

 

[starsevol]

This is one of those weird things...a true story that doesn't prove a thing, but here goes.

Rick and I got engaged in August of 1987. I chose the wedding date of August 6, 1988, because the first week of August 2005 was when we started "going steady". (Do people even do that anymore??)

A few weeks later something jogged Rick's memory, and he remembered a session that he and his 2 brothers, Dave and Eric had with the Ouija board several years earlier. They had asked it a whole bunch of questions, and one of them was if Rick would ever get married. He had no girlfriend at the time, and no one on the horizon. The board kept bringing up 8s. 8...8...88....8....8....88....It said Rick would be married in August 1988! And he let ME pick the date years later. Weird, huh?

The board also said that Rick would die in his mid 60s...to this day he still believes it.

 

[Jrgh17]

I'm convinced that the phenomenon popularly called the "big bang" occurred. There is a lot of evidence supporting it as a theory. How much research into the theory have you conducted? What did you come across that caused you to so easily dismiss it? Before you answer, here's some reading for you:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html

It's not as much fun to read as ghost stories, but you're willing to believe those with zero evidence, so give it a shot.

I can prove that the big bang happened, as I've seen primordial soup with my own eyes. My daddy keeps a sample on his desk.

 

[SnakesRule1234]

I'm convinced that the phenomenon popularly called the "big bang" occurred. There is a lot of evidence supporting it as a theory. How much research into the theory have you conducted? What did you come across that caused you to so easily dismiss it? Before you answer, here's some reading for you:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html

It's not as much fun to read as ghost stories, but you're willing to believe those with zero evidence, so give it a shot.

Have you read things against the theory? I've read both. There are so many problems with the BBT that it's ridiculous to believe it. People are trying to keep it alive because then then there is no explanation for how we came about.
It's just no longer valid anymore.
:shrugs:
I suggest these links.

 

[v_various]

From what I know, it does "seek to explain". The "it's flexible" stuff doesn't make sence in this sentence. Yes, it can adjust itself but it does try to explain things in the world.

typo, I meant to say "explain everything"

To say that you only believe in scientific explanations is silly too.. Saying that nothing can explain everything is a little silly, also. IMO there's explanations for everything in this world, wether science or belief has the answer.
It was mentioned by jamay, I believe... at least I took it as that.

I do only accept scientific explanations (I think "believe" is the wrong word), and I seen nothing silly about that. I don't believe in ghosts, gods, or superstitions. I *know* everything can be explained, I believe everything has a scientific explanation. I said no system can explain everything - and indeed science has yet to explain everything. Doesn't mean it can't, in my eyes. *shrug* some people need faith, some people believe in ouijia boards. That's fine, I'm not one of them.

 

[Roy Munson]

Have you read things against the theory? I've read both. There are so many problems with the BBT that it's ridiculous to believe it. People are trying to keep it alive because then then there is no explanation for how we came about.
It's just no longer valid anymore.
:shrugs:
I suggest these links.

Yeah, I've read "things" against BBT. I'm even vaguely familiar with plasma cosmology theory. Your statement that BBT is "no longer valid anymore" is a bold statement considering that the overwhelming majority of cosmologists still subscribe to BBT theory and denounce PCT. Another interesting point is that no PCT theories have been put forward to explain cosmic background radiation since the Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE) results were made public. These results presented another BIG piece of evidence supporting BBT. I guess the validity of BBT isn't in serious doubt yet...

I won't say much about the scholarship and credentials of Eric Lerner. To me, he's another Michael Behe, but less educated. They're both smarter men than I am, but smarter men than they are have convinced me that Lerner and Behe have drawn flawed conclusions from flawed premises.

But heck, I'm no BBT crusader. If another theory accumulates enough evidence to displace it, then I'll be happy that the goals of science have been advanced.

I'm no cosmologist, physicist, or scientist of any kind. Neither are you. So the two of us going back and forth on the validity of scientific theories that neither of us has the background to comprehend seems pointless. We could spend all night posting links, but it wouldn't really matter. I WILL say that I believe that I have a better understanding of what science IS than you do. I don't write that to elevate myself or put you down-- but I've seen you make some statements that make me question your understanding of what science is, what its purpose is, and what its goals are. For that reason among others, scientific debates between us would be of little value to anyone. :shrugs:

 

[Snake Dave]

Natural science is just messed up a bit; but I'd love to work with it.

Are you saying that the BBT is classed as natural science? Or was it just a general statement, only because both are incorrect. Natural science is understood, and is much more assured and definitive than say quantum or cosmology.

 

[Roy Munson]

I'd like to make a few more points, and they may even be remotely on-topic. :grin01:

If every prevailing scientific theory was to be falsified tomorrow, it would in no way support the claims made by people who believe in paranormal/supernatural phenomena or entities. There would still be no evidence for gods, spirits, angels, demons, ghosts, leprechauns, etc.. Too often believers in unevidenced claims think that by trying to attack or find holes in evidenced theories, they strengthen the validity of their claims. This just isn't true.

And who needs a piece of cardboard and a plastic pointer to invite demons and spirits? Here's my open invitation: all demons and spirits are invited to come to my home tonight and commit whatever mayhem and torment they will. I only ask that they divest themselves of any physical, possessed forms before entering as I don't really want to be cleaning pea-soup vomit or black blood from my carpets tomorrow (ectoplasm's ok). I'm guessing that I'll sleep as well tonight as any other night.

 

[Cordon1]

i done one 2 halloweens ago when i was 13, ever since i have had messed up nightmares and i seriusly meen messed up, i advise people not to use them they are a big mistake if you dont know what your doing

 

[Roy Munson]

i done one 2 halloweens ago when i was 13, ever since i have had messed up nightmares and i seriusly meen messed up, i advise people not to use them they are a big mistake if you dont know what your doing

I'm a qualified Ouijaist and exorcist (as qualified as anyone, anyway). I've performed a long-distance exorcism, and you won't be having these nightmares anymore. You may PayPal me a small donation if you wish...

 

[bribrian]

Two experiences here as a kid many years ago. My sisters & their friends decided to make a ouijia & 'made contact', asking questions & getting answers by moving a glass. As soon as they asked about getting married in church the glass flew across the room & smashed against the wall but before that point it was able to spell out that it was satan & he resided in the wardrobe..... yes you guessed it, in my bedroom!!!!!:uhoh::uhoh::uhoh:
well, i spent the next 12 years of my life with one eye on that wardrobe door all night, every night!!!:rofl:

The next episode was when i was about 14 & in my mates bedroom with about 6 others & we decided to call Blackbeard the pirate back from the dead. All was quiet & my mate said "if you're there, give us a sign"...:uhoh: Just at that moment his wardrobe door flew open :grabbit: & his beagle dog jumped out, well........ you should have seen 8 screaming teenagers trying to get through a 2ft 6" door opening at the speed of light!!!!!!!:rofl:

That finished me with the occult....lol...

 

[v_various]

And who needs a piece of cardboard and a plastic pointer to invite demons and spirits? Here's my open invitation: all demons and spirits are invited to come to my home tonight and commit whatever mayhem and torment they will.

Dude, if it was that easy I'd totally have a beer with the ghosts of dead saturday night live cast members. I mean, they're dead, what else do they have to do? You hear that, ghost of John Candy? You know how to party like a Canadian, lets go for beer and wings tonight. I'll bring the ouijia AND a majic 8 ball, just for kicks.
: DDDDD

Or maybe they only come hang out with you if you scare easy? Might not be any fun otherwise.

The idea of parker brothers mass producing a supernatural tool of the devil is....laughable. It's a cardboard and plastic game to be played by little kids who are fun to spook.

 

[Roy Munson]

Dude, if it was that easy I'd totally have a beer with the ghosts of dead saturday night live cast members. I mean, they're dead, what else do they have to do? You hear that, ghost of John Candy? You know how to party like a Canadian, lets go for beer and wings tonight. I'll bring the ouijia AND a majic 8 ball, just for kicks.
: DDDDD

:roflmao: That WOULD kick butt! I don't do coke myself, but I'd buy some for the ghost of John Belushi if he'd drop by!

 

[Voodoo]

I'd like to make a few more points, and they may even be remotely on-topic. :grin01:

If every prevailing scientific theory was to be falsified tomorrow, it would in no way support the claims made by people who believe in paranormal/supernatural phenomena. There would still be no evidence for gods, spirits, angels, demons, ghosts, leprechauns, etc.. Too often believers in unevidenced claims think that by trying to attack or find holes in evidenced theories, they strengthen the validity of their claims. This just isn't true.

And who needs a piece of cardboard and a plastic pointer to invite demons and spirits? Here's my open invitation: all demons and spirits are invited to come to my home tonight and commit whatever mayhem and torment they will. I only ask that they divest themselves of any physical, possessed forms before entering as I don't really want to be cleaning pea-soup vomit or black blood from my carpets tomorrow (ectoplasm's ok). I'm guessing that I'll sleep as well tonight as any other night.

I agree with the points you've made. I do believe in some paranormal things to which there is no proof. Humans live largely by experiences brought in by their senses. I could care less if science ever proves any of my beliefs to be true. I have experienced some things that have made me believe in certain things. I'm not religious at all. In fact, my religious friends will tell you I'm an atheist....but I'm not. Shhh. Don't tell them. hahaha.

I do not spend my days proselytizing or condemning atheists. I've met people like that who completely drive me insane. For me, if science could prove that there is no such thing as spirits, I would drop all my beliefs and pass them off as hallucinations. But science cannot prove a negative...so technically, the supernatural can never be disproved....it can only be proven or remain in the shadow of skepticism and speculation. This is important for both the believer and the non-believer to remember.

Here's a good example of how science cannot prove a negative:

A scientist finally discovers the precise mode in which the very first cell came into existence, which involves RNA, DNA, and various other subatomic and quantum particles. There is still no sign of divine intervention causing life to become a reality...so god/dess does not exist.

Wrong. This discovery would only prove how life came to be but still cannot disprove the possibility that a god or goddess was involved in the process. In fact, no matter how far back the chain you go, you can never disprove the possibility of divine intervention.

Now, a believer would say that when we die, we will all know the truth. Hmmm. Really? I'm not so sure about that. If the atheists are correct, then no....there will be no revealing of ultimate truth at the moment of (or any of the moments following) death. Even if the believers are correct, what senses does a soul have that allow it to perceive proof of god/dess? Since the soul no longer resides within a physical body that allows it to perceive through the body's senses, how exactly will truth be discerned? The implications of many belief systems surpass the ability of human comprehension to a point when it's impossible for the believer to have even the slightest clue as to what is going to happen to their souls after they die.

Ok, I'm waaaaaaay off topic now. I'll stop now. LOL

 

[Jrgh17]

:roflmao: That WOULD kick butt! I don't do coke myself, but I'd buy some for the ghost of John Belushi if he'd drop by!

Wait... Did you just say you'd be fronting coke to Samurai Futaba?!?!