susang
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http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69164
The response in this thread made my troll meter ring. Prolly cuz 'm jus tht way n well u lll know how meen im to trolls.
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Feeding live?
- Thread starter allmote
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http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69164
The response in this thread made my troll meter ring. Prolly cuz 'm jus tht way n well u lll know how meen im to trolls.
Ok yes im a troll I admit it I have a purple and pink afro....But back on subject didnt mean to sound ofensive on the last post. Your friend feeds frozen because hes in the UK no? Im just trying to see "why" people find the need to judge people for what they do when its somthing snakes do naturaly.
Lets say I see a person eat a blue pop sickle and I seen on the news blue pop sickles make blue poo and I tell them " Hey your stupid your gonna have blue poo" he replys "So I want blue poo"......Is there an argument after the pop sickle discussion or does it really "matter"?
Lets say I see a person eat a blue pop sickle and I seen on the news blue pop sickles make blue poo and I tell them " Hey your stupid your gonna have blue poo" he replys "So I want blue poo"......Is there an argument after the pop sickle discussion or does it really "matter"?
wade
Save The Humans
Oh I would so like to stay out of this one. Sometimes something just has to be said. John Wayne said "Life is hard, life is harder when you're stupid."
I can see how that would be so. Let's see put bag of mice on the counter. Yep that wore me out. Keeping track of 38 live mice is much easier.
Down the crapper???? There are more people involved in herpetology now than there has ever been. I know you're an old timer but I remember when rich and I were the only two. I'd like you to explain how the hobby is going down the crapper.
So since you have so many more snakes than anyone else does you'll be able to prevent something bad from happening??? How long does it take a mouse to bite out the eye of a snake? How fast are you hot shot? And tell me again how you watch all 38 (wow 38) snakes eat to make sure they are safe.
Half you life. Let's see that would make 10 years for you. That probably seems like a long time to you doesn't it. I have snakes older than you.
There are people on this forum who have had snakes for 6 months and lots that have one hatchling. Most of them are smart enough to ask for advice and take that advice. People who know so much that they can't learn are the ones that are stupid.
I'd like you to show me one example of that. You know you posted this thread because you want to get a rise out of everyone and knew it was a hot topic to begin with. Don't cry when you get exactly what you asked for.
You are right, there are lots of ways to do things. But some methods have been shown to be better than others, over and over by many people. We don't need to reinvent the wheel every morning.
I'm glad you're happy. I wish it were your eye that was in jeopardy and not your snakes.
I can see how that would be so. Let's see put bag of mice on the counter. Yep that wore me out. Keeping track of 38 live mice is much easier.
Down the crapper???? There are more people involved in herpetology now than there has ever been. I know you're an old timer but I remember when rich and I were the only two. I'd like you to explain how the hobby is going down the crapper.
So since you have so many more snakes than anyone else does you'll be able to prevent something bad from happening??? How long does it take a mouse to bite out the eye of a snake? How fast are you hot shot? And tell me again how you watch all 38 (wow 38) snakes eat to make sure they are safe.
Half you life. Let's see that would make 10 years for you. That probably seems like a long time to you doesn't it. I have snakes older than you.
There are people on this forum who have had snakes for 6 months and lots that have one hatchling. Most of them are smart enough to ask for advice and take that advice. People who know so much that they can't learn are the ones that are stupid.
I'd like you to show me one example of that. You know you posted this thread because you want to get a rise out of everyone and knew it was a hot topic to begin with. Don't cry when you get exactly what you asked for.
You are right, there are lots of ways to do things. But some methods have been shown to be better than others, over and over by many people. We don't need to reinvent the wheel every morning.
I'm glad you're happy. I wish it were your eye that was in jeopardy and not your snakes.
SNAKEWISPERA
New member
Well ok sence I dont have 1000s of posts and seem to still be scratching my head. Im only 20 and I dont wanna be bald and angry like some people and if I keep scratching this same spot its bound to happen.
I plead the fifth. No need to attack anymore I wont post anymore sence I cant fart out a few hundred posts to get an answer. I mean wow im a troll and now a verbal slap to the face and try to take away my credit?
So yes I do beleive people like you push people away from the hobby because your so right and 50 more years makes you that much better. Who do you think taught people like me? People like you? Prolly? So you think ill take your advice (if its right) and acctually help my snake (if I where to be sombody really wanting to know) because you can be an ass explaining how im stupid?
Nope ill take the nice guys adivice. Just because you can be meaner then me doesnt make you right. Nobody is right in this hobby and its usually the older guys that think they are because they are in their 40s and lived twice as long as me. But the reality of it is we have been taught your 40+ years in 5 by our fathers and or mothers thats what forums like this are for.
You know people seek out information hoping to get it but then all the "cool kids" come in and run them off because they are better.:-offtopic
I plead the fifth. No need to attack anymore I wont post anymore sence I cant fart out a few hundred posts to get an answer. I mean wow im a troll and now a verbal slap to the face and try to take away my credit?
So yes I do beleive people like you push people away from the hobby because your so right and 50 more years makes you that much better. Who do you think taught people like me? People like you? Prolly? So you think ill take your advice (if its right) and acctually help my snake (if I where to be sombody really wanting to know) because you can be an ass explaining how im stupid?
Nope ill take the nice guys adivice. Just because you can be meaner then me doesnt make you right. Nobody is right in this hobby and its usually the older guys that think they are because they are in their 40s and lived twice as long as me. But the reality of it is we have been taught your 40+ years in 5 by our fathers and or mothers thats what forums like this are for.
You know people seek out information hoping to get it but then all the "cool kids" come in and run them off because they are better.:-offtopic
SNAKEWISPERA
New member
I'm only 15 i was taught by people alot older than me, my dad included'd aswell as many others, now im listening to you say that your snake was attacked twice..and your asking what the problem is
.I have never had a snake bit by a rodent because guess what I dont feed live.
So wind your neck in and stop arguing, and maybe after 7 posts of argueing you will eventually fit in.....Argueing with people who know alot more than you is not wise
Weebonilass
New member
I'm only 15 i was taught by people alot older than me, my dad included'd aswell as many others, now im listening to you say that your snake was attacked twice..and your asking what the problem is
I have never had a snake bit by a rodent because guess what I dont feed live.
So wind your neck in and stop arguing, and maybe after 7 posts of argueing you will eventually fit in.....Argueing with people who know alot more than you is not wise
I wasnt agueing I was attack by people who "think" they are smarter then everyone. Smart people dont say they are smarter then anyone because they dont know what "smart" is.
Admitting you know everything about somthing nobody knows much about is selfish and thats what everyone is doing. It all starts with one big dog being an ass then all his sheep tag along with the fuel for the fire. I was asking questions on why people where being attacked for the way they do things and got attacked for asking. So yeah I proved my point back to pick my troll fro and reading sence you people know everything about nothing.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
For one thing. my friend is in Connecticut, in the USA.
Dogs "naturally" die from distemper. Is THAT something you want for your pet?
As far as judging people, when I see someone putting their animals at risk WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO, because of sheer laziness, um yeah, damn right I will judge you.
When someone tells me that they allowed their fish to rip apart an animal that was just trying to defend itself, DAMN right, I will judge you.
I have no tolerance for uneccessary cruelty to animals.
As far as popsicles and blue poo...uumm genius, food coloring really doesnt matter and has nothing to do with stupid, uneducated morons who feed live because counting out 38 frozen mice is too exhausting.
FunkyRes
New member
F/T is definitely easier than live.
You can buy several months worth at a time avoiding weekly trips to the pet store.
You don't have to monitor the feeding as closely
You don't have to house and feed an uneaten mouse while you wait for the snake to decide it is ready to eat.
You can buy several months worth at a time avoiding weekly trips to the pet store.
You don't have to monitor the feeding as closely
You don't have to house and feed an uneaten mouse while you wait for the snake to decide it is ready to eat.
wade
Save The Humans
There are a lot of people on this forum much younger than you. Although they all act much more mature.
The Fifth Amendment has nothing to do with this conversation. The people who seek answers from this forum simply ask a question. That is something you haven't tried yet. Your first post was to deliberately provoke an argument.
The only person here who has said that I am so much better is you. The only person who thinks I'm so much smarter is you. The only person who I have treated like a stupid ass is a stupid ass.
Like is said in my previous post, people who think they know too much to be taught are the stupid ones. There are lots of smart people here trying to learn more every day. You're not one of them.
When you're done beating your chest take a minute to read some of the posts on this forum. You will find this is the only thread with heated language. This is the only thread where you won't find an honest exchange of information between very friendly people. You walked in the door with a chip on your shoulder and dared the group to knock it off. Well, you picked the wrong group little buddy. Take your ball and go home.
Roy Munson
New member
Trolling, baiting, name-calling... this thread has it all!
It would be cool if this thread could be conducted more civilly from here on out. If not, it can be killed. I'm tired of this topic anyway, so it wouldn't take much to persuade me that this thread should be locked.
allmote: you need to ratchet down the defensiveness a few notches. This is your topic, so why don't you stay on it.
It would be cool if this thread could be conducted more civilly from here on out. If not, it can be killed. I'm tired of this topic anyway, so it wouldn't take much to persuade me that this thread should be locked.
allmote: you need to ratchet down the defensiveness a few notches. This is your topic, so why don't you stay on it.
ruraldean
Old and Getting Older
Sooooo....
To respond in a civil manner:
I'm new to the hobby, and after 52 years of waiting finally got my first snake. I spent a couple of months lurking here before joining, just to learn. Only then did I obtain my snake.
The things that impressed me most about this site were the width and depth of experience of most of the posters, and the friendly nature of the forum. I've learned that live feeding is not illegal in England (where I live) although I always believed it was. I've learned however that I could be prosecuted for forcing two animals to endure a combative situation, which is what happens when you place a snake and a mouse in a small space where the only possible outcomes are death or injury.
As has been said, a "wild" situation is entirely different.
For those who do live feed then please don't see me as condemnatory. You have your own reasons. I just hope that "because it's easier" isn't one of them.
And as a noob I have been far from scared off by the more experienced posters. They have been nothing but welcoming and I respect their comments. They help me keep my snake safe and well. I'm a member of several forums, both snake related and to do with my other hobbies - only this site has moved me to become a contributing member through the sheer value it has given me.
You would do well to listen.
To respond in a civil manner:
I'm new to the hobby, and after 52 years of waiting finally got my first snake. I spent a couple of months lurking here before joining, just to learn. Only then did I obtain my snake.
The things that impressed me most about this site were the width and depth of experience of most of the posters, and the friendly nature of the forum. I've learned that live feeding is not illegal in England (where I live) although I always believed it was. I've learned however that I could be prosecuted for forcing two animals to endure a combative situation, which is what happens when you place a snake and a mouse in a small space where the only possible outcomes are death or injury.
As has been said, a "wild" situation is entirely different.
For those who do live feed then please don't see me as condemnatory. You have your own reasons. I just hope that "because it's easier" isn't one of them.
And as a noob I have been far from scared off by the more experienced posters. They have been nothing but welcoming and I respect their comments. They help me keep my snake safe and well. I'm a member of several forums, both snake related and to do with my other hobbies - only this site has moved me to become a contributing member through the sheer value it has given me.
You would do well to listen.
tricksterpup
I has nuttin to Say.
This is one of the reasons why its wrong.
This is an adult Corn snake. Those marks on her are deep enough to place a quarter in.
Nanci
Alien Lover
Sounds like cohabitation, to me!
ruraldean
Old and Getting Older
Yes, I'm married too...:awcrap:
ArpeggioAngel
Around Here Somewhere....
I haven't even finished reading this thread yet and I feel the need to jump in here...
This is not about certain people on here "ganging up" on newbies or anything else. It is about people with years of experience (many more years than you since it shows you are only 20) sharing what they have learned and highly recommending against feeding live. Yes, these discussions do sometimes get heated - but it is only because those with the experience know that the safest and smartest way to feed a snake in captivity is with f/t mice/rats.
You keep mentioning that it is "natural" to feed live prey. What about keeping a snake in captivity is natural? NOTHING! So to say that feeding them live prey is natural is a complete oxymoron. Sure, if you have a pet snake in your backyard that is not in any kind of cage that comes to you for a meal every week and you toss a live mouse in the backyard - but somehow I doubt that is the case.
In regards to the hobby going down the "crapper". I believe this hobby is reaching more and more people every year. It is poor advice given out to newbies that causes issues, regardless if it is from another newbie who was also given bad advice or from someone buying (for example) a snake from Petco where the employees most of the time have no idea what they are talking about.
It isn't necessarily that people "think" they are smarter. But when the general concensus amongst the majority of snake owners say to feed f/t - don't you think that it would make sense to follow that advice? When major breeders who have been in the business for many many years tell me that I am doing something wrong with my care of my snakes, I listen.... You originally posted wanting to know why people thought it was a bad idea to feed live and then get upset when people tell you why it is not a good idea? Then why bother asking?
Bottom line - it is not in any way, shape or form natural to feed a captive snake a live meal. To do so risks unnecessary harm to the snake. Most people do not want to take that risk and so take the extra time (if needed) to feed f/t. If you want to continue to feed live - that is your choice - I would just warn you to not expect any sympathy from anyone on this forum if any of your snakes ever suffers severe harm due to this practice.
Between myself and my roommate - we own 130 snakes and we feed f/t to all except maybe 3 or 4 that will absolutely not eat f/t. I take the time every week to thaw out appropriate sized mice for whichever snakes are due to eat on any given day. IMHO that time is well spent vs. throwing in live mice and risking possible injury to my snakes. And the ones that do eat live - well I make darn sure that they are stunned and not moving before even putting them in a container with one of those snakes.
This is not about certain people on here "ganging up" on newbies or anything else. It is about people with years of experience (many more years than you since it shows you are only 20) sharing what they have learned and highly recommending against feeding live. Yes, these discussions do sometimes get heated - but it is only because those with the experience know that the safest and smartest way to feed a snake in captivity is with f/t mice/rats.
You keep mentioning that it is "natural" to feed live prey. What about keeping a snake in captivity is natural? NOTHING! So to say that feeding them live prey is natural is a complete oxymoron. Sure, if you have a pet snake in your backyard that is not in any kind of cage that comes to you for a meal every week and you toss a live mouse in the backyard - but somehow I doubt that is the case.
In regards to the hobby going down the "crapper". I believe this hobby is reaching more and more people every year. It is poor advice given out to newbies that causes issues, regardless if it is from another newbie who was also given bad advice or from someone buying (for example) a snake from Petco where the employees most of the time have no idea what they are talking about.
It isn't necessarily that people "think" they are smarter. But when the general concensus amongst the majority of snake owners say to feed f/t - don't you think that it would make sense to follow that advice? When major breeders who have been in the business for many many years tell me that I am doing something wrong with my care of my snakes, I listen.... You originally posted wanting to know why people thought it was a bad idea to feed live and then get upset when people tell you why it is not a good idea? Then why bother asking?
Bottom line - it is not in any way, shape or form natural to feed a captive snake a live meal. To do so risks unnecessary harm to the snake. Most people do not want to take that risk and so take the extra time (if needed) to feed f/t. If you want to continue to feed live - that is your choice - I would just warn you to not expect any sympathy from anyone on this forum if any of your snakes ever suffers severe harm due to this practice.
Roy Munson
New member
The hobby (i.e., snake-keeping) has never been stronger. Has there been a time in human history when MORE snakes have been kept than right now? Every year the hobby gets stronger, our knowledge grows broader, and our methods become more refined. The refinement of our husbandry methods has resulted in unprecedented health and reproductive success in our charges. These refinements may be "stupid stuff" to you, but the most passionate hobbyists are justified in employing and defending these better methods.
TandJ
Ole' Stoic Viper...
Hum, I remember 38 snakies.. That was an easy time for feeding, really it was..
What would you consider an extensive collection? Mine is fairly minimal compared to full timers.. However I know of a certain well known, and established author/breeder that feeds a lot of F/t to her collection.. *shrugs*
Beats me, about it taking to long to thaw out feeders, I think it takes longer to wash the individual dishes after feeding, yeah, we have seperate feeding containers for everyone, which might seem to be a big amount.. I think we are about 5 fold the OP at this time.. Beats me though.. I lost count and my mind..
Regards.. Tim of T and J