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The difference is my opinion was backed with actual support and your opinion is just because you say so. I am not sure what my post count has to do with anything, but I am sure people who just work when they really want something, but collect SSI for their needs does not live in a realitic world with any perspective on life. Collecting disability means you can not work- not you can only work when the state won't buy you a dog- or at least in logic right:D So when I say your opinion defies logic and you call yourself logical when theres evidence to the contrary what am I supposed to think?

Ya know Danielle, I think you went a little far in this post. I know I put my scenario out there and asked Michael823 a few tough questions, but I left it open for him to reply before I jumped to any type of a conclusion.

Just a thought for you,

Wayne
 
If that is how you did and do what you are doing, then I applaud you! I wasn't out to make it like you are just getting a hand out and as I implied in my post, you may have a valid reason for collecting. SSI isn't a hand out! It's a sort of government retirement package that we all put away for and hope that it's still available when it's time for us to retire. Thanks for going out on a limb and explaining that!

Wayne
Thank you, and I appreciate people like you who try to understand. What kind of life would I have if I didn't try to achieve as much as I could, I would probably have never learned to walk. My dog was a huge accomplishment for me, and I cherish every bit of having her. So I take huge offense to people trying to discredit what I work for, and what I deserve. I would give away all of my SSI, and work a full time job, just to know what it's like to be fully able bodied. The only life I've known is having a disease that prevents me from doing things most people take for granted. I could never play sports, looked foolish climbing stairs at school, and have no certain future of what my disease will do down the road, seeing noone usually gets this far with it. I'm not trying to lay out the pity trip, I love everything about my life, and wouldn't change a thing. I just get very worked up when I have to defend my own disability, and when people make ignorant assumptions (not you). I know some people collect SSI, and still have plenty of ability to work. But for me, I could never survive without it, and my working was strictly because it was my only way to have gotten some of the things I love.
 
Michael, I never insinuated that SSI was a handout for anyone with a legitimate disability. I really hope it didn't come off that way, because that's not what was intended. I know that SSI is a very valuable resource for those that are unable to work in an environment that most people do. My friend was wounded overseas in the military, and now has to walk with a cane (he wasn't even 20 when he got the injury). Due to his condition, he can't work in most envirnoments that "normal" people would be able to. He relies on his SSI for his bills, food, etc. I totally agree that for a legitimate disability, SSI is needed. It is very hard to fake a disability, so I have no doubt that that's one of the government resources not being taken advantage of by the same people that are leeching off the other resources.
No it wasn't you at all, you have shared your opinions in a way in which I have the upmost respect. I can't expect everyone or anyone to agree with me, and I may state my opinions boldly, but I like hearing opinions that are far from mine when they are truly someones personal opinion, and not personal attacks. We may disagree hugely on certain things, but I would rather have a conversation with someone like you, who I disagree with, than some who I share an opinion with, that's the only way people learn anything, and form common ground.
 
Ya know Danielle, I think you went a little far in this thread. I know I put my scenario out there and asked Michael823 a few tough questions, but I left it open for him to reply before I jumped to any type of a conclusion.

Just a thought for you,

Wayne

To be fair though, she posted that before Michael posted the details of his disability...

Just throwing it out there. :shrugs:
 
To be fair though, she posted that before Michael posted the details of his disability...

Just throwing it out there. :shrugs:

I get that, but since he had a pattern of replying, she could have waited for his answer/reply before going on the attack.

Am I wrong?

Wayne
 
I get that, but since he had a pattern of replying, she could have waited for his answer/reply before going on the attack.

Am I wrong?

Wayne

No...but I don't think the act of replying too soon has ever deserved the backlash that she received either.
 
No...but I don't think the act of replying too soon has ever deserved the backlash that she received either.

What backlash is that? I just pointed out that I think she went a little too far, considering that she didn't have all the facts. I realized that my question was a little out of line, but at the same time, I asked, before I typed/concluded! I am not meaning anything except that sometimes a little restraint is in order. JMO!

Wayne
 
To be fair though, she posted that before Michael posted the details of his disability...

Just throwing it out there. :shrugs:
That's the point, she judged BEFORE even caring what my situation may be, and had the nerve to say I have no real perspective on life. I shouldn't have had to post those details, and I feel kind of embarassed even describing what my disability means to me. But seeing Medusa stated his points, and was respectful enough to leave it open to my reality, I felt obliged to describe. But I'm glad I did, and maybe this will shed some light on why I am so quick to defend any type of inequality, and maybe somewhat boldly at times.
 
What backlash is that? I just pointed out that I think she went a little too far, considering that she didn't have all the facts. I realized that my question was a little out of line, but at the same time, I asked, before I typed/concluded! I am not meaning anything except that sometimes a little restraint is in order. JMO!

Wayne
I think he's replying to my backlash, not yours, but I got extremely offended by her post.
 
I can say my OP was harsh, but not exactly COMPLETELY out of line- though a little. Michael/Ricky you have to understand when someone says I have a disability, get SSI, and can afford lavish expenditures the pot will be stirred. I am familiar with your disorder though you claimed you had a different disorder in the Woot Barrack Obama thread so I am slightly confused as multicore myopathy is only referred to as that and minicore multicore myopathy to my knowledge. I am not calling you a liar by any means though:) However, I must say ever so gently that you and ricky love to go all out and bash people whose opinions you don't like, and then get beyond defensive when bashed back. Thats not how mud slinging works- when you sling it- you get it and take it. My post though harsh wasn't meant to be offensive so on that note if you were offended by my off base spade calling sorry. Dog is after all mans best freind and I can relate to working extra hard for the things you want and do believe you have some sort of muscle disease which makes this task harder. I am sure it was tough growing up different and not interacting in the same way as your peers could, I am sure you were teased, and probably to some extent felt like an outcast; maybe your hyper defensiveness stems from these experiences. Others and myself can only react to your responses which by the way have peronally attacked many on the basis of age, looks, and intelligence so before being offended by my personal attack remember you too my friend are just as guilty. I respect your candidness though and hope you accept my appology:)
 
I can say my OP was harsh, but not exactly COMPLETELY out of line- though a little. Michael/Ricky you have to understand when someone says I have a disability, get SSI, and can afford lavish expenditures the pot will be stirred. I am familiar with your disorder though you claimed you had a different disorder in the Woot Barrack Obama thread so I am slightly confused as multicore myopathy is only referred to as that and minicore multicore myopathy to my knowledge. I am not calling you a liar by any means though:)
I'm not sure where you read a different disability, but if it was referred to as minicore it was only because that was the most similar, and easier to find form of the disease. It is called Multi Core, and good luck finding much information, if you find someone with it in your search, let me know:)
However, I must say ever so gently that you and ricky love to go all out and bash people whose opinions you don't like, and then get beyond defensive when bashed back. Thats not how mud slinging works- when you sling it- you get it and take it.
Also, let's seperate Ricky and I in posts, though I stand by most of what he says. I just may not be able to expand on what he says, and vice versa. But I never made any personal attacks under this thread until I was specifically called out, and the whole subject of my dog was absolutely irrelevant, and very offensive. My posts were based on my opinions, as much as they differ from yours, I never called you out, but you did call me out. You can't say I love bashing people, and you can't substantiate it either. I hate having to defend personal attacks, and would rather not have to respond to them. Everyone who made personal attacks about me started because of a disagreement with my opinion, so that's the difference.
My post though harsh wasn't meant to be offensive so on that note if you were offended by my off base spade calling sorry. Dog is after all mans best freind and I can relate to working extra hard for the things you want and do believe you have some sort of muscle disease which makes this task harder.
I didn't think you were calling any spades with your post, it was irrelevant even in the sense that you disagreed with my thoughts on equality. You jumped on a band wagon of unfair accusations, and all of this happened with no provocation from me. I'm not saying my posts were completely innocent, but I was stating my opinion about the actual topic, while some of you were just hitting below the belt just to be offensive.
I am sure it was tough growing up different and not interacting in the same way as your peers could, I am sure you were teased, and probably to some extent felt like an outcast; maybe your hyper defensiveness stems from these experiences. Others and myself can only react to your responses which by the way have peronally attacked many on the basis of age, looks, and intelligence so before being offended by my personal attack remember you too my friend are just as guilty.
Actually I was never teased all that much, my brother and I have pretty quick wit, and it was too easy to come up with lower jabs than making fun of us for our disability, so we had no problems making friends. And although life for me was greatly different from my peers, I never really felt like an outcast. The hardest part was not wanting to explain our disability, so alot of people never really knew, other than the fact that we were much thinner, and never joined in anything athletic. Our hyper defensiveness comes from other people's hyper offensiveness, and our convictions, not our disability, and my brother and I have different ways of dealing with responses as well. I also don't recall making fun of somebodies age, looks, intelligence, etc.. I'm not trying to seem like an angel, I just don't think anything I said was specifically targeted to one person, unless it was in my defense.
I respect your candidness though and hope you accept my appology:)
I accept your apology, and I hope you can accept mine. It says alot about you to admit you may have crossed the line a bit, so thank you. I may have been a little over the line with my response, but when I checked back into this thread after a couple days, I was very offended to see that this turned into something about my disability or lack there of (still don't know why), so that's why I was very quick to get angry.
 
I am sure it was tough growing up different and not interacting in the same way as your peers could, I am sure you were teased, and probably to some extent felt like an outcast; maybe your hyper defensiveness stems from these experiences.
Not at all. I used to be friends with "the people" at school and at home. I wouldn't be any less of a person regardless, but I still think the capacity for people to accept is a lot easier when your not ashamed of your own condition, and you aren't afraid to speak the truth. Maybe my differences are easier to see, because their visual, but people hate it way more when you see whats in their hearts. If people hate me I than I regard them with the same intensity. If someone does bother me with it I call them out right on the spot. At the end of the day, only god and my mother can judge me, and I'm open to those judgements. It's people who judge me on some dumb forum that irks me. Maybe I don't work the "quote and posts" like it's a sport, but step away from your ibook and what do you have left?.

As for attacks, this discussion was fine and civil until people brought it to an un-neccassary level. I personally would prefer more humorous people, but if that's not possible I'll speak my mind. You said some pretty ridiculous stuff; stuff I know for a fact you can't turn true no matter who endorses it or agrees with it. Were you just venting; Maybe?, but in your heart somewhere that's how you really feel. I'm going to be a crippled government leech in someones eyes, so why not yours?. I'd rather hear that than hear the "N" word, or be subjected to someones self-righteous views on post-slavery America; At least I'm here to defend myself. I wish people like Huey Newton, Marcus Garvey, MLK, Malcolm X, or Tupac Shakur were here to speak their first hand accounts to the world, but their not. A sign of the true struggles of black people in America. Those are facts!. I wish it were different, but I at least hope people would appreciate the profound affect these people had on your culture. A culture you claim is tainted by welfare an SSI. Either way, I'm drifting, and am off to bed. Seeya!!!
 
Remember a couple of months ago when we were teasing snakemaster and Lori scolded us for picking on him? Last night I kept expecting her to come on and do it again. I’m going to step out of this delightful conversation. Mark Twain once said, “Only a fool argues with a fool.”
 

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I just read that on yahoo, but I was sort of confused. The man hung the flag upside down because he couldn't get his liquor license for a new restaurant, and he was protesting that as some huge injustice. I personally think the police force who took it down could have spent their time in a more productive way, if that guy feels hanging the flag upside down is symbolic of his troubles, that so be it.
It also said he was a veteran, so I wouldn't consider it an anti American thing, it just seemed like he was trying to show his feelings towards how difficult a veteran's return home can be when you try to make a living when you get home. He risks his life to be able to return home and start a business, and uncle Sam says he can't.
I have no idea all of the details, but I'll side with the down trotted, and say he should be able to peacefully protest by having his flag upside down.
 
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