yet another fine example

[starsevol]

I've read enough excerpts. How can you even hint at defending it if you haven't, Rickeal?

KJ, I think we BOTH know the answer to that one......

 

[Ricky87]

In the direction were heading we will be deep in the debt hole, everything is controlled by the government, and we listen to whatever a democrat says because conservatives are the "big bad wolves out to get your money.."

Your definition of "we" isn't based on reality. In this world everybody knows everything, and this won't work, because blah blah blah. If you new the secrets to a perfect society, than please do share. Otherwise who are you to predict policies that haven't even been instituted yet!.

How is it propaganda??. Goes on to say...Because he is the leader of the socialist takeover. and no, i don't mean that in a conspiratory term.

How much sugar are they putting in cereal these day's?. Golly!!.

That is true. But we have to ask ourselves, who was that majority? Who was it made up of? You did elect him. But many people out here do not trust him.

Out here?. What, does he have dead-zones like Verizon?. For me personally I feel the last administration put this country in jeopardy. Clearly it reflected that somewhere in this country we've lost our grasp on reality. Barack Obama personified that reality, and he seems to me like someone who will create change. He hasn't proven me wrong yet, and I have no reason to believe he will. I think that's how most of us feel about it, so I guess that's what created the majority.

And what are the short-comings? i suppose now you will start bashing me and calling me an idiot and a blotch on society.

Not at all!. I put what I felt. Anybody holding that kind of cynicism is at risk of losing things around them, so that was just a word of advice. The fact is that Barack Obama will be our president for 4 more years, and another 4 on top of that if his ambitions succeed. That's a long time to beat a dead horse!.

 

[Ricky87]

I've read enough excerpts. How can you even hint at defending it if you haven't, Rickeal?

KJ, I think we BOTH know the answer to that one......

Well from a business standpoint, you've just lost 2 customers!. Lesson learned?.

 

[Michael823]

I've read enough excerpts. How can you even hint at defending it if you haven't, Rickeal?

Sorry, my name is Michael not Rickeal. Easy mistake to be had though, it's only located above every one of my posts. Perhaps a birth certificate would help clarify it better though, maybe a DNA sample, a simple check to see if I'm Muslim?

 

[starsevol]

Well from a business standpoint, you've just lost 2 customers!. Lesson learned?.

For one thing, I still suspect that you are both one person...still....
and for another thing, I am VERY picky as to who gets my babies, so you wouldn't have met my criteria anyway. (If you were a paid contrubuter to this site you would be able to read a very entertaining thread about just how picky I am as to who gets my " kids")

But KJ DID ask a legimate question. Why are you defending legislation that you have not even read?

I have nothing personal against our new President. I really don't care about his birth certificate or any of that other nonsense. He is probably a very nice guy and a great husband and father (and that is very important). But I sure take issues with some of his policies. I don't like his spending. I not only disapproved of his stimulas bill (that congress never even read, thank you very much), but I did not like how it was rammed through in such a hurry, ,,,,why such a hurry?
And he is approaching the Healthcare problem the same way. WAY TOO FAST....why the hurry? Is it that deep down he knows it's so bad that he wants it law before the people figure out what's going on? Or is it that he doesn't think he will get a second term so he has to do it now now now?

I find it very hard to trust a leader that rushes things through like that.

I have nothing against the guy personally, but I think the media sold us a bill of goods. On the surface, he appeared to be everything our former president was not. He's articulate, looks good in a suit, and has a dignified air about him....but that's about it. But for many people, that was enough.
Not for me.
I'm not saying McCain was much better. (I really didn't like him either). And we will never know if he might have done a better job.
But I think things are about to get very interesting...

 

[KJUN]

Sorry, my name is Michael not Rickeal. Easy mistake to be had though, it's only located above every one of my posts. Perhaps a birth certificate would help clarify it better though, maybe a DNA sample, a simple check to see if I'm Muslim?

Well from a business standpoint, you've just lost 2 customers!. Lesson learned?.

No offense, Rickeal, but weren't you complaining about how little money the government gives you a couple of weeks ago? Weren't you saying it was barely enough to "live" (while seemingly having instant computer and internet access at your finger tips)? Where does all this extra money for snakes come from? Lots of people who don't take a cent from this red .gov can't afford snakes - or any luxury item - and you can? Now I see why you love Uncle Obama so much.

I'll make a deal: we'll agree to never do business (done!) if you just tell me what parts (page references are nice) that you like of his plan, why you like it, and why you think you DESERVE it at the expense of someone else's tax dollars who are penalized for working hard and being successful? It's a simple question: what do you like (specifics), why, and what makes you think it is fair?

 

[Ricky87]

For one thing, I still suspect that you are both one person...still....

Yes, always a good fall-back plan if your political jargon fails. Just attempt to discredit someone who's a threat to your ideals. Worked great for John McCain didn't it?.

and for another thing, I am VERY picky as to who gets my babies, so you wouldn't have met my criteria anyway. (If you were a paid contrubuter to this site you would be able to read a very entertaining thread about just how picky I am as to who gets my " kids")

I like to think I make contributions regardless. Like input; I always post under pet threads, and I try to compliment as much as possible. I also post photo's all the time!. As for criteria, if I don't meet it than no-one does. Period!. Unless your business is discriminant, which would be very unfortunate!.

But KJ DID ask a legimate question. Why are you defending legislation that you have not even read?

A legitimate question that needed to be followed up with the obviously trollish "Rickeal"?. I think I'll get back to you on that one.

I have nothing personal against our new President. I really don't care about his birth certificate or any of that other nonsense. He is probably a very nice guy and a great husband and father (and that is very important). But I sure take issues with some of his policies. I don't like his spending. I not only disapproved of his stimulas bill (that congress never even read, thank you very much), but I did not like how it was rammed through in such a hurry, ,,,,why such a hurry?
And he is approaching the Healthcare problem the same way. WAY TOO FAST....why the hurry? Is it that deep down he knows it's so bad that he wants it law before the people figure out what's going on? Or is it that he doesn't think he will get a second term so he has to do it now now now?

I find it very hard to trust a leader that rushes things through like that.

I have nothing against the guy personally, but I think the media sold us a bill of goods. On the surface, he appeared to be everything our former president was not. He's articulate, looks good in a suit, and has a dignified air about him....but that's about it. But for many people, that was enough.
Not for me.
I'm not saying McCain was much better. (I really didn't like him either). And we will never know if he might have done a better job.
But I think things are about to get very interesting...

I think you would have been better off restricting your post from this quote down. As for him being in a rush, I see no reason to hesitate. Things in this world move very quickly, and who knows when these opportunities will come about again. Many people say America is an empire on the decline, and what better time to introduce change than when a majority are willing, and so is our leader. The fact most people ignore about health-care is that we'll have to pay for it either way. The reason we need to change the system we have is because not enough people are getting the treatment they need, and hospitals aren't liable to care. If their was a united institution to provide health-care to the needy, than their won't be any middle man or any excuse to not provide. People get sick, we all pay!. Yes, for some their paying more than they would, but for others their whole lives change. I've seen my Grandma lose everything because she couldn't afford health-care, and who is anybody to say she shouldn't have it. Capitalism takes a back seat to a healthy society, and thank god we have someone in place who sees that!.

 

[Cornsnake124]

ugh... I will get to replying to all of this in a little bit. I need to go eat

 

[starsevol]

Yes, always a good fall-back plan if your political jargon fails. Just attempt to discredit someone who's a threat to your ideals. Worked great for John McCain didn't it?.

I like to think I make contributions regardless. Like input; I always post under pet threads, and I try to compliment as much as possible. I also post photo's all the time!. As for criteria, if I don't meet it than no-one does. Period!. Unless your business is discriminant, which would be very unfortunate!.

A legitimate question that needed to be followed up with the obviously trollish "Rickeal"?. I think I'll get back to you on that one.

I think you would have been better off restricting your post from this quote down. As for him being in a rush, I see no reason to hesitate. Things in this world move very quickly, and who knows when these opportunities will come about again. Many people say America is an empire on the decline, and what better time to introduce change than when a majority are willing, and so is our leader. The fact most people ignore about health-care is that we'll have to pay for it either way. The reason we need to change the system we have is because not enough people are getting the treatment they need, and hospitals aren't liable to care. If their was a united institution to provide health-care to the needy, than their won't be any middle man or any excuse to not provide. People get sick, we all pay!. Yes, for some their paying more than they would, but for others their whole lives change. I've seen my Grandma lose everything because she couldn't afford health-care, and who is anybody to say she shouldn't have it. Capitalism takes a back seat to a healthy society, and thank god we have someone in place who sees that!.

I never realized that John McCain thought you were both the same person too!! How fascinating!!

Why not answer KJ's question. We here are alll dying to know. What is it about Obama's Health care plan do you like? And please reference it by page.

 

[Ricky87]

No offense, Rickeal, but weren't you complaining about how little money the government gives you a couple of weeks ago? Weren't you saying it was barely enough to "live" (while seemingly having instant computer and internet access at your finger tips)? Where does all this extra money for snakes come from? Lots of people who don't take a cent from this red .gov can't afford snakes - or any luxury item - and you can? Now I see why you love Uncle Obama so much.

Seriously, you just took this thread WAY too far!. That "Uncle Obama" statement was way out of line, and I think there should be some sort of ban for it. It's without question a personal attack, and I feel pretty offended by it!.

 

[RobbiesCornField]

Seriously, you just took this thread WAY too far!. That "Uncle Obama" statement was way out of line, and I think there should be some sort of ban for it. It's without question a personal attack, and I feel pretty offended by it!.

So, you won't answer any of his serious questions, but you think one statement is ban-worthy? I personally don't see how it's a personal attack.

I'm not buying it. Either you can answer the serious questions seriously, or you can nit-pick over every little thing you find offensive and keep beating around the bush. Either you read the plan, or you didn't.


Back to the sidelines for me.

 

[ZoologyGirl]

Back to the sidelines for me.

Yeah, I'll be sticking to the sidelines. I'm not one to argue politics too much. On the plus side there are rather comfortable benches to sit on.

 

[KJUN]

Seriously, you just took this thread WAY too far!. That "Uncle Obama" statement was way out of line, and I think there should be some sort of ban for it. It's without question a personal attack, and I feel pretty offended by it!.

When I say "Big Brother," it is a literary reference to the government watching you. It isn't prejudice unless YOU take it that way. When I say "Uncle Obama," I'm referencing the rich uncle that you want to take care of you for free. I don't hate him because he is or is not black (he is as white as he is black, remember?). I hate him because he is RED.

Now, admit that you like him because he is giving you a free ride like a rich uncle would do in your dreams. You want him to give you stuff for free - just like you wouldn't mind free inheritance from an uncle you never knew existed. He's the "uncle" that some people want to take care of them for free. I'm not even sure of the "uncle" reference that would make you think it is racial, but that's obviously the slant you are trying to make it look. If you are thinking of an "Uncle Tom," then read the book before pretending that you know enough to think I'm alluding to that. Anyone that HAS read it and sees Obama for what he really is knows how completely false such a comparison would be. It's ludicrous.

Now, I obviously didn't mean anything racial, but you YELL about the imaginary race card every time someone questions you. You can't ANSWER anything, so you call everyone else a racist. Answer my questions. Are you sure you don't just like his plan BECAUSE he isn't full white? My hatred of his actions obviously has nothing to do with color. Can you say the opposite and tell the truth more than he has? Are you saying every non-white in America would make a GREAT president? Can you not like a guy as president if he isn't white? Why is it, Rickeal, that you seem to believe that a black man can't possibly be disliked as president unless it is his color - and NEVER his policies - that are disliked? Oh, ANOTHER QUESTION to not be able to answer, Rickeal.

KJ

 

[Ricky87]

So, you won't answer any of his serious questions, but you think one statement is ban-worthy? I personally don't see how it's a personal attack.

I'm not buying it. Either you can answer the serious questions seriously, or you can nit-pick over every little thing you find offensive and keep beating around the bush. Either you read the plan, or you didn't.


Back to the sidelines for me.

WOW!. Glad to know where you stand!. "Uncle Obama" is very offensive seeing as how I'm on disability and he's insinuating the only reason I voted was so I could get more hand-outs. If your going to be on the side-lines than stay there, but you have no right to say I'm nit-picking, or that it wasn't offensive. He attempted to not only trivialize my condition, but to also state that I use it for material gain. If only you had half an idea. Seriously Robbie, it bothers me you posted this!.

 

[Roy Munson]

Engage in heated political discussions at your own risk. I can't speak for the other mods, but even if I was qualified to do so, I'm not going to expend much effort analyzing the nuances of heated words for intent. I don't know why this can't be discussed civilly.

But I will remind you that there's no real rule prohibiting a single person from operating two accounts. I don't like it, but I don't make the rules. So please leave these kinds of suspicions out of your arguments. They don't strengthen them anyway.

 

[RobbiesCornField]

WOW!. Glad to know where you stand!. "Uncle Obama" is very offensive seeing as how I'm on disability and he's insinuating the only reason I voted was so I could get more hand-outs. If your going to be on the side-lines than stay there, but you have no right to say I'm nit-picking, or that it wasn't offensive. He attempted to not only trivialize my condition, but to also state that I use it for material gain. If only you had half an idea. Seriously Robbie, it bothers me you posted this!.

Well, I guess I might as well play if you're going to make statements that require my answer. I thought I've made it perfectly clear in the past where I stand, so I saw no reason to do it differently this time. And you still have yet to answer KJ's question (which is a very good question, by the way).

Just so you know where I stand, in my personal opinion, I didn't even think about your disability as a reason for voting for him. I thought the "Uncle Obama" reference was basically saying "Uncle Sam". Technically, they're the same person at the moment. The only time I think about your disability is when YOU bring it up. Seems to me that you only bring it up to help your side in arguments. Now I'm NOT saying that your disability isn't real, but I am saying that you need to put less stock in it. In this case, does it really matter that you have a disability? Not that I can see. So why bring it up? It seems that no one can say anything without offending you. That's why I was sitting on the sidelines before. I don't like offending people, but I'm brutally honest when the situation calls for it.

 

[Michael823]

Wow, all of you negatively making accusations are straight up baiting, it must be wonderfully fulfilling to await a response.
Obama in no way gives my brother and I a free ride, but glad to see you think so. Don't flatter yourself by thinking your the blue collar, hard working American, that pays for my living expenses, you in no way could live my life, and never will. Yes I have the internet, and use my mothers computer to go online. Yes I pay for the internet with my SSI, and that's the only luxury expense, but the bill is split into thirds between my brother, mother, and myself, a whopping $20. But I've found it instrumental for me, and find it no different to a cell phone bill, or other technological advance that has so much to offer. Now I hope that clears that up!
As for how I pay for my reptiles, well I work, more very part time when I can. I get paid decent money in the summer to help my mother with a job she does caring for a property. I get $40 an hour, but only get around 3hours of work every couple of weeks. I use the ride on lawn mower, hope that doesn't offend any of you to see a cripple work. Not enough to count against my SSI either, just enough to pay for my reptile supplies and food. I have only been able to purchase five snakes in the past two years, a total of under $300, well within my means considering I do the yard work, and had a restaurant cleaning job before hand.
I can't help but laugh at all of the free ride accusations, defending would be futile seeing I know none of you have gone through the life I have, so I can't take offense to a blind person debating the color of the sky. Would you trade $673 a month for my muscular disease? I wouldn't!
Thinking that my brother and I are the same person cracks me up too, yes it is all an evil plan to deceive people. I could easily prove it, but it really wouldn't be worth my time.
We are a resourceful people, can't help it if that makes you all jealous inside. My pets are my true joy in life, and the little money I have made has fully supported them, so your free ride theory is just a weak attempt to harass me and my brother.
What I posted in this thread previously has somehow turned to this, and a quote of my posts would reveal how ridiculous it is that this conversation reared it's ugly head again.
Sure we can disagree on health care, not the end of the world. But the free ride thing is getting really old, and is the one reason I've yet to become a contributing member.

 

[Michael823]

The only time I think about your disability is when YOU bring it up. Seems to me that you only bring it up to help your side in arguments.

No offense, Rickeal, but weren't you complaining about how little money the government gives you a couple of weeks ago? Weren't you saying it was barely enough to "live" (while seemingly having instant computer and internet access at your finger tips)? Where does all this extra money for snakes come from? Lots of people who don't take a cent from this red .gov can't afford snakes - or any luxury item - and you can? Now I see why you love Uncle Obama so much.

HMMM. Who brought it up this time? and the time before was brought up similarly by another member.

 

[Cornsnake124]

I've read enough excerpts. How can you even hint at defending it if you haven't, Rickeal?

yeah...

Yes, always a good fall-back plan if your political jargon fails. Just attempt to discredit someone who's a threat to your ideals.

Your no threat you have no evidence nor can you give us a straight answer. Just call us an idiot and a racist instead of answering a question..

I never realized that John McCain thought you were both the same person too!! How fascinating!!

:laugh:

I think there should be some sort of ban for it.

You insult us over and over and he says uncle obama and you think there should be a ban for it????

When I say "Big Brother," it is a literary reference to the government watching you. It isn't prejudice unless YOU take it that way. When I say "Uncle Obama," I'm referencing the rich uncle that you want to take care of you for free. I don't hate him because he is or is not black (he is as white as he is black, remember?). I hate him because he is RED.

Now, admit that you like him because he is giving you a free ride like a rich uncle would do in your dreams. You want him to give you stuff for free - just like you wouldn't mind free inheritance from an uncle you never knew existed. He's the "uncle" that some people want to take care of them for free. I'm not even sure of the "uncle" reference that would make you think it is racial, but that's obviously the slant you are trying to make it look. If you are thinking of an "Uncle Tom," then read the book before pretending that you know enough to think I'm alluding to that. Anyone that HAS read it and sees Obama for what he really is knows how completely false such a comparison would be. It's ludicrous.

Now, I obviously didn't mean anything racial, but you YELL about the imaginary race card every time someone questions you. You can't ANSWER anything, so you call everyone else a racist. Answer my questions. Are you sure you don't just like his plan BECAUSE he isn't full white? My hatred of his actions obviously has nothing to do with color. Can you say the opposite and tell the truth more than he has? Are you saying every non-white in America would make a GREAT president? Can you not like a guy as president if he isn't white? Why is it, Rickeal, that you seem to believe that a black man can't possibly be disliked as president unless it is his color - and NEVER his policies - that are disliked? Oh, ANOTHER QUESTION to not be able to answer, Rickeal.

AMEN!!!!!

Why not answer KJ's question. We here are alll dying to know. What is it about Obama's Health care plan do you like? And please reference it by page.

exactly.

how I'm on disability and he's insinuating the only reason I voted was so I could get more hand-outs.

Thats not what he said. I would never go on disability, welfare, or any other program where i get payed for nothing. I think its a disgrace that anyone would do that.

And you still have yet to answer KJ's question (which is a very good question, by the way).

Thats right!

Just so you know where I stand, in my personal opinion, I didn't even think about your disability as a reason for voting for him. I thought the "Uncle Obama" reference was basically saying "Uncle Sam". Technically, they're the same person at the moment. The only time I think about your disability is when YOU bring it up. Seems to me that you only bring it up to help your side in arguments. Now I'm NOT saying that your disability isn't real, but I am saying that you need to put less stock in it. In this case, does it really matter that you have a disability? Not that I can see. So why bring it up? It seems that no one can say anything without offending you. That's why I was sitting on the sidelines before. I don't like offending people, but I'm brutally honest when the situation calls for it.

Your on a role robbie!

 

[Michael823]

You guys have brought it up both times in reference to unrelated government programs, and in a way that is insulting by labeling a free ride, and questioning our expenses, and associating them with our SSI paychecks.
This is a truly maddening subject, as I feel there is no way for any of you to see my perspective. Calling our SSI a free ride is what incites me, and for good reason. It's like if someone told you that you don't deserve government assistance towards equal partnership because they felt homosexuality was a choice unlike traditional marriage. You would quickly and justifiably go on the offensive, and be really hurt by such inconsiderate allegations, and I would be right there along side you defending it.