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"Lazy people who don't get MORE than someone "

English. I know it might be your second language since you are Canadian (is French in fact your main language - or even something else? I never thought about this before, but it would explain some of the confusion), but learn to read it before assuming it says something you don't. That statement is talking about LAZY people that want something. If you AREN'T lazy, then it does NOT apply to you. It never says EVERYONE that wants it is LAZY. It just says that the ones that DO want it AND are lazy.....yadda yadda yadda.

Ohhhhh, I see what you're saying. And now that I see that, I don't get your point. Well, yeah, there are lazy people wanting stuff handed to them. So?

Also, English is my first language, I don't know French other than a few words, and I find that criticism of reading comprehension an interesting one, considering what's gone on in this thread.
 
Mike, what do you mean by "Personal Responsibility"?

Personal Responsibility
Written by Chuck Gallozzi



"Responsibility is not a burden, it's a blessing

Today's subject is responsibility. Not social responsibility, which is a separate issue, but personal responsibility. When we take responsibility, we admit we are the ones responsible for the choices we make. We, not other people or events, are responsible for the way we think and feel. It is our life, and we are in charge of it. We are free to enjoy it or disdain it. No, we are not responsible for all that happens to us, but we are responsible for how we think, feel, and act when they happen.

Why did God make us so fleet-footed? Some would argue it is to allow us to dodge, duck, and run from responsibility! Why would anyone want to do that? Well, many people associate responsibility with duty and obligations, which, in turn, are thought of as burdens. But personal responsibility is not a burden, it is a blessing. This becomes clear when we understand that PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IS NOTHING OTHER THAN THE FREEDOM TO CREATE OUR OWN LIVES. Yes, responsibility is equated with freedom and power. Once we awaken to this fact, we become liberated and empowered. Once we become aware of this truth, we shed our victim mentality and gain the power to transform ourselves.

The other day it was pouring rain. Some waved their arms in exasperation and complained that their day off was 'ruined' by the weather. How can a free car wash and watering of the lawn 'ruin' one's day? The complainers are not free. They are in prisons of their own making. They 'can't' enjoy life simply because it's 'too' wet outside. Instead of choosing to be miserable, why not choose to rent a hilarious video, play indoor mini golf, visit the library or bookstore, see a friend, or dress properly, take an umbrella, and enjoy a walk in the rain? Why reject the roles of creativity, flexibility, and resiliency in order to play the role of victim? Why choose to be weak when one can be strong? Why choose to be sullen when one can be thrilled?

Let's get personal and talk about you for a moment. Are you perfectly happy with the way things are at this time, or do you wish things were better? Chances are you are neither perfectly happy nor completely unhappy, for most of us lie somewhere between both extremes. However, if you're not totally satisfied, what are you doing about it? If you continue to do the same things, everything will remain the same. Nothing will change until you do.

If a change in your life is warranted, why not begin by recognizing that your present situation is not the result of your genes, parents, education, job, luck, timing, health, or environment. Rather, it is the choices you have made and the actions you have taken that have brought you where you are today. Change your choices and actions and you will change the results that follow. This understanding is the first step in personal transformation. The second step is the action that follows, for as Dietrich Bonhoffer (1906 ~ 1945) wrote, "Action springs not from thought, but from a readiness for responsibility."

What action should we take? Start by taking a personal inventory. That is, examine your life to learn the extent that you are either already taking responsibility or evading it. This is best done by asking yourself a series of questions and writing the answers for later study. Here's what I mean. Do you ever say to yourself or others any of the following? Life is so unfair. I'm unlucky. No one wants to help me. It's not my fault that I'm the way I am. Life is an endless struggle; there are too many burdens to bear. Terrible things are always happening to me. My parents (spouse, friends, coworkers, boss, health, the weather, or the political situation) make me depressed (angry or frustrated). I feel overwhelmed and helpless. Some people get all the breaks; I'm just unfortunate. I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. There's nothing I can do; it's just the way the world is. I can't succeed because of the corrupt government, blood-sucking corporations, greedy employers, and back-stabbing coworkers. I'm unsuccessful because of the prejudice (age discrimination, sexism, jealousy, hatred, stupidity) of others. I would be successful if it weren't for the idiots holding me back. Self-help books, positive thinking, or the advice of others can't help me.

Can you see where I'm going with this? All the above thoughts express the mindset of a self made victim. Instead of taking personal responsibility and taking charge of one's life, that kind of thinking is used to blame others or life for one's own failures. That type of thinking is dead-end thinking, self-defeating thinking. With these thoughts in mind, and tongue in cheek, Ambrose Bierce (1842 ~ 1914) defines responsibility in his "The Devil's Dictionary" as follows: "RESPONSIBILITY, n. A detachable burden easily shifted to the shoulders of God, Fate, Fortune, Luck or one's neighbor. In the days of astrology it was customary to unload it upon a star."

Yes, it's easy to shift the responsibility and blame others or events. But what good is that? All it does is keep us in a rut. We cannot make any real progress until we admit to ourselves, "Only I can hold myself back. Only I can stand in my own way. Only I can help myself. Only I can take personal responsibility. Only I can transform myself from a victim of circumstances to a reasoning, choice-making, action oriented person. Only I can make the decision to stop acting like a victim and start taking charge of my life."

One of the first 'people' we greet each morning is our reflection in the mirror. Don't we want to be accountable, answerable, and responsible for the life we are creating for it? By accepting that responsibility, we unleash great power and transform ourselves. It may be convenient for a caterpillar to have so many legs, but it remains earthbound. It is far better to make a dramatic change and transform ourselves like a butterfly, so we can take flight and explore a new world.

Let me end by saying, all this emphasis on making the right choices and accepting personal responsibility is for your benefit only. That is, use these ideas to improve yourself, but not to judge others. You can never enter the mind, heart, and body of another, so you are unaware of the reasons for their failures. Not everyone is as ready as you are to change. That's why it is written in the Talmud (Rabbinical writings of the 1 ~ 6 centuries AD), "A man may not be responsible for his actions in an hour of tribulation and pain."

On the other hand, if you are racked with pain, saddled with poverty, or deprived of other blessings most take for granted, use your experience to have compassion for those who are even worst off than you, but do not use your burdens as excuses to remain in a negative frame of mind. You have enough problems already; don't add to them by endlessly complaining, for that only entrenches them deeper into your life. Rather, look for the good, appreciate it, and take responsibility by making the most of what you have. Happiness is a choice, just like misery is; we all have the responsibility to make the right choices. We owe it to ourselves to do so.

© Chuck Gallozzi
For more articles and contact information,
Visit http://www.personal-development.com/chuck"
 
English. I know it might be your second language since you are Canadian (is French in fact your main language - or even something else? I never thought about this before, but it would explain some of the confusion), but learn to read it before assuming it says something you don't.
Again with the insults. While I don't condone what Chris said, I can understand his frustration with KJ. The thread was doing fine until he popped in with his usual heated and vitriol laden attacks.
 
Who are you to claim that the money you 'earn' you really deserve?

Well, how can you say I deserve it less than someoone else? It is a truthful pseudo-tautology (as rare as that seems): I deserve it because I earn it, and I earned it so I deserve it. Either way, it isn't a new idea in America for people to believe that the cornerstone of liberty is personal property rights. (not my wording, as I'm sure most people should recognize.) Property, to me, includes FRNs paid to me for work performed.


“The right to enjoy property without lawful deprivation . . . is in truth a personal right . . . . In fact, a fundamental interdependence exists between the personal right to liberty and the personal right in property. Neither could have meaning without the other. That rights in property are basic civil rights has long been recognized.”
—United States Supreme Court, Lynch v. Household Fin. Corp., 405 U.S. 538, 552 (1972).


(Before anyone cues in on the words "lawful deprivation," remember that my beliefs are based on remembering the existence of the 10th amendment. Violating that is not lawful.)


“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.”
—Frederic Bastiat


(Good quote since it reminds people the BOR is a reminder to the government of the rights we have by being born American. They can't take them away with a law, because those are just a REMINDER - not the source of those rights.)


“Russia's experience indicates that freedom cannot be legislated: it has to grow gradually, in close association with property and law. For while acquisitiveness is natural, respect for the property--and the liberty--of others is not. It has to be inculcated until it sinks such deep roots in the people's consciousness that it is able to withstand all efforts to crush it.”
—Richard Pipes (1999), Property and Freedom, New York: Alfred A. Knopf, p. 208


(I like this one because of the opposite trend seems as apparent: a loss of freedom seems to follow a loss of respect for personal property.)
 
Again with the insults.

Not an insult. A QUESTION. I don't know enough about what part of Canada he comes from not which language he grew up with to know how to take some of the things he has stated. It was directed towards getting an apology from me if that happens to be the case.
 
Personal Responsibility
Written by Chuck Gallozzi



"Responsibility is not a burden, it's a blessing

Today's subject is responsibility. Not social responsibility, which is a separate issue, but personal responsibility. When we take responsibility, we admit we are the ones responsible for the choices we make. We, not other people or events, are responsible for the way we think and feel. It is our life, and we are in charge of it. We are free to enjoy it or disdain it. No, we are not responsible for all that happens to us, but we are responsible for how we think, feel, and act when they happen.

Why did God make us so fleet-footed? Some would argue it is to allow us to dodge, duck, and run from responsibility! Why would anyone want to do that? Well, many people associate responsibility with duty and obligations, which, in turn, are thought of as burdens. But personal responsibility is not a burden, it is a blessing. This becomes clear when we understand that PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY IS NOTHING OTHER THAN THE FREEDOM TO CREATE OUR OWN LIVES. Yes, responsibility is equated with freedom and power. Once we awaken to this fact, we become liberated and empowered. Once we become aware of this truth, we shed our victim mentality and gain the power to transform ourselves.

The other day it was pouring rain. Some waved their arms in exasperation and complained that their day off was 'ruined' by the weather. How can a free car wash and watering of the lawn 'ruin' one's day? The complainers are not free. They are in prisons of their own making. They 'can't' enjoy life simply because it's 'too' wet outside. Instead of choosing to be miserable, why not choose to rent a hilarious video, play indoor mini golf, visit the library or bookstore, see a friend, or dress properly, take an umbrella, and enjoy a walk in the rain? Why reject the roles of creativity, flexibility, and resiliency in order to play the role of victim? Why choose to be weak when one can be strong? Why choose to be sullen when one can be thrilled?

Let's get personal and talk about you for a moment. Are you perfectly happy with the way things are at this time, or do you wish things were better? Chances are you are neither perfectly happy nor completely unhappy, for most of us lie somewhere between both extremes. However, if you're not totally satisfied, what are you doing about it? If you continue to do the same things, everything will remain the same. Nothing will change until you do.

If a change in your life is warranted, why not begin by recognizing that your present situation is not the result of your genes, parents, education, job, luck, timing, health, or environment. Rather, it is the choices you have made and the actions you have taken that have brought you where you are today. Change your choices and actions and you will change the results that follow. This understanding is the first step in personal transformation. The second step is the action that follows, for as Dietrich Bonhoffer (1906 ~ 1945) wrote, "Action springs not from thought, but from a readiness for responsibility."

What action should we take? Start by taking a personal inventory. That is, examine your life to learn the extent that you are either already taking responsibility or evading it. This is best done by asking yourself a series of questions and writing the answers for later study. Here's what I mean. Do you ever say to yourself or others any of the following? Life is so unfair. I'm unlucky. No one wants to help me. It's not my fault that I'm the way I am. Life is an endless struggle; there are too many burdens to bear. Terrible things are always happening to me. My parents (spouse, friends, coworkers, boss, health, the weather, or the political situation) make me depressed (angry or frustrated). I feel overwhelmed and helpless. Some people get all the breaks; I'm just unfortunate. I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. There's nothing I can do; it's just the way the world is. I can't succeed because of the corrupt government, blood-sucking corporations, greedy employers, and back-stabbing coworkers. I'm unsuccessful because of the prejudice (age discrimination, sexism, jealousy, hatred, stupidity) of others. I would be successful if it weren't for the idiots holding me back. Self-help books, positive thinking, or the advice of others can't help me.

Can you see where I'm going with this? All the above thoughts express the mindset of a self made victim. Instead of taking personal responsibility and taking charge of one's life, that kind of thinking is used to blame others or life for one's own failures. That type of thinking is dead-end thinking, self-defeating thinking. With these thoughts in mind, and tongue in cheek, Ambrose Bierce (1842 ~ 1914) defines responsibility in his "The Devil's Dictionary" as follows: "RESPONSIBILITY, n. A detachable burden easily shifted to the shoulders of God, Fate, Fortune, Luck or one's neighbor. In the days of astrology it was customary to unload it upon a star."

Yes, it's easy to shift the responsibility and blame others or events. But what good is that? All it does is keep us in a rut. We cannot make any real progress until we admit to ourselves, "Only I can hold myself back. Only I can stand in my own way. Only I can help myself. Only I can take personal responsibility. Only I can transform myself from a victim of circumstances to a reasoning, choice-making, action oriented person. Only I can make the decision to stop acting like a victim and start taking charge of my life."

One of the first 'people' we greet each morning is our reflection in the mirror. Don't we want to be accountable, answerable, and responsible for the life we are creating for it? By accepting that responsibility, we unleash great power and transform ourselves. It may be convenient for a caterpillar to have so many legs, but it remains earthbound. It is far better to make a dramatic change and transform ourselves like a butterfly, so we can take flight and explore a new world.

Let me end by saying, all this emphasis on making the right choices and accepting personal responsibility is for your benefit only. That is, use these ideas to improve yourself, but not to judge others. You can never enter the mind, heart, and body of another, so you are unaware of the reasons for their failures. Not everyone is as ready as you are to change. That's why it is written in the Talmud (Rabbinical writings of the 1 ~ 6 centuries AD), "A man may not be responsible for his actions in an hour of tribulation and pain."

On the other hand, if you are racked with pain, saddled with poverty, or deprived of other blessings most take for granted, use your experience to have compassion for those who are even worst off than you, but do not use your burdens as excuses to remain in a negative frame of mind. You have enough problems already; don't add to them by endlessly complaining, for that only entrenches them deeper into your life. Rather, look for the good, appreciate it, and take responsibility by making the most of what you have. Happiness is a choice, just like misery is; we all have the responsibility to make the right choices. We owe it to ourselves to do so.

© Chuck Gallozzi
For more articles and contact information,
Visit http://www.personal-development.com/chuck"

"Is that supposed to mean something, because it sure didn't answer the question. "

here it is for ya:
Mike, what do you mean by "Personal Responsibility"?
 
Not an insult. A QUESTION. I don't know enough about what part of Canada he comes from not which language he grew up with to know how to take some of the things he has stated. It was directed towards getting an apology from me if that happens to be the case.

and the back peddling...
 
Ohhhhh, I see what you're saying. And now that I see that, I don't get your point. Well, yeah, there are lazy people wanting stuff handed to them. So?

Also, English is my first language, I don't know French other than a few words, and I find that criticism of reading comprehension an interesting one, considering what's gone on in this thread.

Then I appologize for any implications. I really though you might have grown up speaking French, and some of our misunderstandings were due to that fact alone. All I know is that some parts of Canada are reputed to be much more heavily french-speaking than English speaking. Heck, I know families in south Louisiana with people over 30 years of age that still don't speak English. Not sure how that is an insult to ask one of them (like someone from Pierre Part, LA) if they learned English first or only after they were adults. But, whatever....
 
"Is that supposed to mean something, because it sure didn't answer the question. "

here it is for ya:
Mike, what do you mean by "Personal Responsibility"?

Well go back and read what you quoted and you will find out.

But just for you, personal responsibility means that you take responsibility for your choices, actions, and decisions. Mr. Gallozzi just said it a little more eloquently.
 
"Is that supposed to mean something, because it sure didn't answer the question. "

here it is for ya:
Mike, what do you mean by "Personal Responsibility"?

Yeah, what does 'personal responsibility' mean in the context of this conversation.

Because to me, personal responsibility involves the responsibility one has towards one's nation. In order to maintain the lifestyle we have takes more than just a hoarding of everything we get, but a co-operation of all involved.

Let's separate this argument:

Argument 1) The government should not reform health care in the way being discussed because the government cannot manage it properly.

Argument 2) The government should not reform health care in the way being discussed because socialism is bad.

Argument 1 is an argument I don't disagree with, although I disagree it's significant enough to fully prevent government involvement with the health care industry.

Argument 2 is faulty simply because modern society could not operate without socialism. This is not a new concept either. I was reading a quote by Lincoln the other day where he talks about the role the government is supposed to play. Paraphrased, he said that the government should provide services for people when individual effort was insufficient. Transportation, defense, law enforcement are all these things. No one here who decries socialism as evil has once said that the government should not be building roads, should not be enforcing the law, should not be supporting a standing army.

KJUN, if socialism is as bad as you say, do you really suggest the government stop paying for all these things that the government has been paying for for years? If not, why is transportation, or law enforcement, or public works such as water and sewer, appropriate for government involvement, but health care is not?
 
Well go back and read what you quoted and you will find out.

But just for you, personal responsibility means that you take responsibility for your choices, actions, and decisions. Mr. Gallozzi just said it a little more eloquently.

or it could be interpreted as, if you do not like the situation that you are in, do something about it, do not expect someone else to do it for you.
 
Liek a herper with a back car door open, eh?
This is the second time you've made an obscure reference to this in a thread. So I thought you must be referring to when I went with Robbie and Graham in Florida, so I contacted them both to see if they remember something I don't, well they didn't. You must have me confused with someone.
But hey, great attempt to take a jab ( insult) at me for something innocuous and fictional and even better job at taking this thread off-topic with same.
 
I was reading a quote by Lincoln the other day where he talks about the role the government is supposed to play. Paraphrased, he said that the government should provide services for people when individual effort was insufficient. Transportation, defense, law enforcement are all these things. No one here who decries socialism as evil has once said that the government should not be building roads, should not be enforcing the law, should not be supporting a standing army.

Yeah, you might want to find the exact quote, or tyflier and jazz will be all over you.
 
Well go back and read what you quoted and you will find out.

But just for you, personal responsibility means that you take responsibility for your choices, actions, and decisions. Mr. Gallozzi just said it a little more eloquently.
I'll go with that.
 
In our country we have low income housing, food stamps, shelters, and other subsidies for those less fortunate. We have Medicare and Medicaid programs for those over the reasonable working age of 65, under 18, and those with disabilities who require acute care. In this sense our country does already provide the basics for those who can not provide them for themselves; and thats more than fair we're not a country of endless money just like any other.

We provide a military, free education, and military benefits for those that serve more than meeting a standard of social responsibility, but many in our country do not see health care for ALL part of our nations social responsibility including myself because we already provide it for children, the elderly, and disabled. Within those programs there are massive inefficiencies, rationing of care, and an overall disregard for providing quality to their clients which is my issue with allowing the government control on any larger scale- they can't fund or run it right now so why would they be able too with more citizens in need?

For me its not about laziness, thievery, or socialism- its just about simple math. Our country has so much to give into many other areas none of which are funded properly and being cut more each year. We can't afford to be anymore responsible than we are without this proposed program and already established programs suffering.
 
For me its not about laziness, thievery, or socialism- its just about simple math. Our country has so much to give into many other areas none of which are funded properly and being cut more each year. We can't afford to be anymore responsible than we are without this proposed program and already established programs suffering.
I can understand that. It just seems to me that we end up paying for healthcare one way or the other. Wouldn't UHC be more preventative care( something it seems a lot of insurers turn a blind eye to), so to speak. Maybe solving or minimizing healthcare problems before they get big, ugly and much more expensive.
 
Yeah, you might want to find the exact quote, or tyflier and jazz will be all over you.

Keep my name out of this topic. I'm done with the insults and hypocrisy. I am only here to post one thing, and one thing only than the whole lot of ya' can kiss my royal white rump.

It's absolutely deplorable the way hatered is spread in these topics. If ANY person spilled as much hate filled, stereotypical garbage about any single "category" of individuals the way people seem to do about liberals, this entire forum would be up in arms and the poster would be IMMEDIATELY banned for a minimum of 3 days.

So what makes it OK to do it regarding liberals? What if I started a topic about "Hasteful Christians at it again" and filled my post with stereotypical SLANDER about Christians? Or, "Homosexuals destroying the nation" and went on about how "sinful" and "unnatural" it is to be a homosexual? Heck, what if I started one that said, "Conservatives kill another man's dreams" and filled my posts with insults and stereotypes aimed SPECIFICALLY at angering conservatives?

You people would have a flippin' heart attack is what would happen.

But because I'm moderately liberal, and you guys are only hurling insults about liberals...must be me, right? It's OK to intentionally, deliberately, and maliciously slander and insult an entire idealogy, just because you want to, but God forbid someone that identifies with that ideology insult back. Uhoh...watch out. Can't have none of that hippy liberal garbage happening. Right? Bullspit. You can all choose to kill yourselves, and I wouldn't be upset about it, nor would I be apologetic.

Bunch of hypocritical SOB's. More of the same, "My rights are more important than yours" garbage I've been reading in the entire thread...AND the others...
 
I really have to agree with danielle. If other organizations and social programs were going better I would have more faith in this, as it is I believe that we're not in the right place at the right time for the government to take on something else. I also understand the need to try and regulate insurance companies to a certain extent (although I think that free market and customer intelligence should take of prices on its own) but why is the gov't going to take this on right now? Weren't all the fools on the hill screaming and moaning about banking only a few months ago? Basically instead of fixing the problem, they threw money at it and forgot about it. Now THAT'S some good lobbying. I would personally much rather see the government try and finish one thing before taking on 4 more. I see it as a liberal government using a bad situation to pass as many programs as they can on their agenda. Are they necessary? No, but its much easier to keep them going then it is to get them passed, so their taking advantage of the fact that a paranoid nation is ready to try something different, unfortunately it may not be for the better.
 
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