ObamaCare and me By Zane F Pollard, MD

[tyflier]

USPSTF has been around for several decades. I do feel this recommendation is based on $$ but I highly doubt it was requested by the White House or Congress. It was developed by people who do Public Health, and from that perspective, tiny increases in benefit brought about by very large costs are not worth it. To the individual patient & her physician, a very large cost that saved her life is absolutely worth it, but from a Public Health perspective, that money would be better spent somewhere else on something that saved MORE lives.

Without protection from medical malpractice suits brought by patients whose breast cancer wasn't detected a year sooner, physicians aren't going to implement this one unless a law is passed that prevents them from doing annual mammograms starting at age 40, BTW. So I doubt much will change on the ground.

Don't bother. The people posting these links couldn't comprehend what you've typed, or the word "recommendation" no matter how slowly you type. They just don't have it in them to actually read anything...

 

[tyflier]

Hey Sparky, read much? (Bolding is my own for your benefit.)

http://professional.cancerconsultants.com/oncology_main_news.aspx?id=44300

D80

PS. And yes, I will refer to you as Sparky until Deano or some other mod has decided that your threats of violence and harm are worthy of some sort of significant consequence. Until then, I'll just use a harmless pet name that bothers you.

The name Sparky doesn't bother me one bit. It's just a childish playground name. Very much in line with what I would expect from you.

And by the way...you should really start doing some legal research and see what, precisely, defines a "threat", because I have never threatened you...so stop your crying and get a tissue, BooBoo..

 

[tyflier]

...and you can't debate anything without resorting to insults because you lack facts, truth, honesty, and a firm grasp of the reality of historic events.

This isn't about "historic events", this is about retarded logic. Earlier in the thread, Obama was blamed for the shortage of H1N1 vaccine...retarded. Now he is being blamed for an independant study group making a new recommendation...retarded. It was even mentioned that Obama was preventing his daughters from getting the vaccine because he knew it was tainted or some such ridiculous nonsense...yea...retarded.

I'm not insulting you...just the retarded logic being used to draw these retarded conclusions. At least when I post something, it's real, not make pretend...

If by "lacking facts" you mean I'm not making them up as I go along...you're right. If by "truth and honesty" you mean making up lies to support a belief even though the lie is a LIE and MADE UP...you're right...I'm not showing any. If by "firm grasop of reality" you mean understanding and comprehending how supposedly intelligent people can jump to such ridiculous conlucsions and comparisons...again...you're right.

If being right means I have to think like you, Mike, or Brent...I'd MUCH rather be wrong. At least I can be wrong in the real world, instead of one I made up to support my conspiracy theories and paranoia...

 

[tyflier]

History has nothing to with what is happening now. What are you thinking? No we have never seen in history where an individual has had a similar rise to power and then ruined a country. :bang:

I know...it's the Hitler referance again. You know Mike...the one you never before?

History plays an important role in current events...just not this one. It's another completely unrelated association made with retarded logic...

 

[mike17l]

Don'ty cry, Brent. There is no threat in anyting I've typed...implied or otherwise. And if you take the pages to a lawyer, I'm quite positive he will tell you the same thing...

Well there was the time that you suggested to another member that he kill himself, and then there was the time that you suggested that a different member fly to california so that you could teach him a thing or two, then there was the time that you called an individual "retarded", though it was not a member, still pretty questionable.

 

[mike17l]

I know...it's the Hitler referance again. You know Mike...the one you never before?

History plays an important role in current events...just not this one. It's another completely unrelated association made with retarded logic...

I was thinking more like Castro or some other communist, not Hitler, you brought him into this discussion.

 

[tyflier]

Well there was the time that you suggested to another member that he kill himself, and then there was the time that you suggested that a different member fly to california so that you could teach him a thing or two.

Well...there was a sarcastic comment that in no way implied that I would cause HARM to anyone else. THAT would be a threat. Like I said...research your definitions before making accusations.

There was also a time when I invited someone to come find me should they feel the need to prove something to me. Again...no statement or implication of intended violence from me one bit...just an invitation to come have a conversation about it. In fact...that's precisely what I said...they were more than welcome to come have a conversation about it. Very much so NOT a threat in any way shape or form.

But...coming from this crew, I am not remotely surprised that you guys are making stuff up to support those claims, as well...

See...in order for it to be a "threat", I would actually have to tell someone that I intended to commit and act of violence against them personally or a family member or relative. I've never said nor implied any such thing...So stop crying about it...

 

[tyflier]

I was thinking more like Castro or some other communist, not Hitler, you brought him into this discussion.

Still not even remotely comparable...

Just because a President is educated and can put together a speech where he doesn't stumble around trying to correctly pronounce "nuclear" doesn't equate him to communist. Just because a President is supported by the citizens of a country doesn't make him a communist, either. Being intelligent, well-spoken, educated, and not a Christian does NOT make someone a communist, no matter how deeply routed your bigotry is...

 

[mike17l]

This isn't about "historic events", this is about retarded logic. Earlier in the thread, Obama was blamed for the shortage of H1N1 vaccine...retarded. Now he is being blamed for an independant study group making a new recommendation...retarded. It was even mentioned that Obama was preventing his daughters from getting the vaccine because he knew it was tainted or some such ridiculous nonsense...yea...retarded.

Pretty sure neither, Brent, KJ or myself blamed him for the shortage of H1N1, I believe we basically called him a liar for not giving what he promised. No one is blaming him for the results of the independent study, what we are saying is that the proposed changes sure look a lot like what is happening the Canadian and British health care systems (hmm, aren't they govt controlled and failing?).

 

[tsst]

tsst, I wasn't trying to implicate you. I was trying to share info about the USPSTF. I don't really want to get into the politics here, just to give information. I was referring to the "a gov sponsored group" part. I guess I should indicate whose posts I am referencing.

No problem. Thanks for the info.

 

[Roy Munson]

PS. And yes, I will refer to you as Sparky until Deano or some other mod has decided that your threats of violence and harm are worthy of some sort of significant consequence. Until then, I'll just use a harmless pet name that bothers you.

Actually, you have this all wrong. You will refer to him as Sparky for as long as the mods tolerate it. We don't need to penalize anyone else to ensure that no more site rule violations are performed from your account.

I would think that you two could cut the crap and continue this exchange civilly and within the limits of the site rules without being threatened by a mod. Heck, I've warned both of you on multiple occasions, and you've both ignored me. You have no respect for each other, no respect for me, and little or no respect for the site or its rules.

I tend to be more tolerant of bull feces in heated political discussions, but you guys have really pushed it. I don't feel like spending hours reviewing every participating members' posts to ensure that I act fairly. There have been no recent "reports" on either of you, and I'm reluctant to act in episodes where no other members seem concerned. But this really is the final warning. I've been soft. I continue to bark where I should have already bitten. No more.

This warning isn't limited to Chris and Brent.

No PMs, please.

 

[Drizzt80]

You have no respect for each other, no respect for me, and little or no respect for the site or its rules.

Oh, I have no respect for him, but the rest of that IS bull feces and you know it. Other than a link to "jizz in my pants" and calling him sparky I've done nothing BUT respect this site. No PM sent. And if you're going to come down on me for calling him sparky while he's able to tell people to kill themselves AND invite violent actions in other areas so be it. As for warnings, I've only received generic public warnings from you regarding sparky. NO private warnings, nor point infractions.

D80

 

[Roy Munson]

Actually, I don't know it. I think you may have even told me you'd stop. But you didn't. Now you seem to think I have to oblige your demands before I can expect you to heed my warnings. Wrong. See you in three.

 

[jazzgeek]

If it were only this easy to get rid of the bad teachers in our guvmint school system.

But, you know.....freaking unions. :sidestep:


As always, I'm a fan of irony.


Dale

 

[KJUN]

If it were only this easy to get rid of the bad teachers in our guvmint school system.

But, you know.....freaking unions. :sidestep:


As always, I'm a fan of irony.


Dale

Since you claim to be such a fan of irony, maybe you can answer a question: "Is the fact that most of the things you say are irony aren't actually ironic at all your best proof that you really are a fan of irony just a bad judge of what really fits the definition of ironic?"

 

[jazzgeek]

Since you claim to be such a fan of irony, maybe you can answer a question: "Is the fact that most of the things you say are irony aren't actually ironic at all your best proof that you really are a fan of irony just a bad judge of what really fits the definition of ironic?"

Your question, like virtually all of your claims, is once again lacking corroborative data to support it. To state "Is the fact..." presupposes that the assertion which follows is factual, without providing the data to SHOW it is, in fact, factual.


So let me help you. Have a seat, child. Pay attention, because here's today's lesson:

Brent is a public school teacher. Virtually all public school teachers are union employees.

The political stances Brent takes are, more often than not, stances that tend to the conservative and/or libertarian side.

Conservatives/Libertarians tend to frown upon organized labor, unions, and the collective bargaining process.

Thus, from a political standpoint, Brent is part of a labor system which he politically opposes.

Since one of the definitions of irony is "an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected", Brent's situation would be ironic.

Do you see how I did that? I provided a link to the definition of irony to support my claim. Evidently, this will be another lesson for you to learn, but I'll leave it up to someone else to shore up your ignorance in this specific matter, as I'm not one to spend otherwise productive and billable time teaching those who are too lazy and/or daft to educate themselves.

If you need special help or extra tutoring to understand the concepts presented in today's lesson, I'm sure one of the students whom you claim to teach would be willing to help....for a price.

You see, I also believe that the productive should be compensated for their work....although "the jury is still out" as to precisely how productive an endeavor in educating you would be.

Dismissed.


Dale

 

[Nova_C]

Ah. Ahha.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH!

Jazz, I love you man. You and me? We be like this.

 

[TandJ]

You and me? We be like this.

*lol* You didn't just say that did you?

I remember a wise(ass) man telling me honey works much better.. Hey I am trying the honey, but a spade is a spade.. *lol*


Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[mike17l]

I am addressing this here, because this is where the original post was made.

Apparently I insulted Kyle with a statement I made, as he posted this in another thread.

Mike insulted me in another thread with a perverted comment and I called him on it and reported it and told him I did so via PM which he did not respond to, so I avoided that thread. Now he's here making judgments and giving negative opinions about me in a thread I created to showcase a few of my animals. I'd really appreciate it if he quit stalking my threads and asking members if I'd seen any of his comments directed at me in the thread I left because of him, I'm pretty disgusted with his whole attitude and thought it was clear that I want nothing to do with him.

Here is what I posted:

You dont have a "thrill running down your leg" do you?

He responded on the forum with this post:

Mike you should probably keep your sick fantasies and questions to yourself.

And I got this PM:

I reported your post. There's no reason for that kind of personal/attack insult.

In the post on another thread, Kyle expressed disappointment that I did not reply to his PM. Kyle, you did not ask any question. You made a statement. What did you want me to say? "OK"?

Honestly, I thought you made a joke. If you did report it, I assume the mods thought you made a joke, because they did nothing about it. I wonder why? Perhaps it is because they are familiar with the quote I used in post #220 of this thread. Just in case your PM was not sent in jest, I posted this:

Hey Kyle, Here is the HuffPo link if you would like: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/13/chris-matthews-i-felt-thi_n_86449.html

I posted the original quote (as well as some other Matthews quotes) in this post: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=982859&postcount=228

Here is another resent Matthews quote:

He makes a phone call or whatever, according to Reuters right now. Apparently he tried to contact al Qaeda. Is that the point at which you say, ‘This guy is dangerous?' That's not a crime to call up al Qaeda, is it? Is it? I mean, where do you stop the guy?

Not a crime to call al Qaeda? Chris Matthews, the host of Hardball with Chris Matthews, is a nut case. He had a "thrill" running down his freaking leg for crying out loud, just when Obama opened his mouth. Anyway, post #220 of this thread was not perceived as an attack or insult by anyone other than Kyle. So Kyle, if you have not looked yet, look up some of the Chris Matthews quotes. Have a great day.

 

[mike17l]

Virtually all public school teachers are union employees.

Huh, I didn't know that all school teachers are union employees. I don't know a single public school teacher that is as a matter of fact. News to me. :shrugs: