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Medical Marijuana - Welcome to the club Washington DC

jpccusa

Happy with this new hobby
From the New York Times

The District of Columbia Council approved a measure on Tuesday that would allow people with certain chronic illnesses to obtain medical marijuana from a handful of dispensaries regulated by the city.
The 13-member Council voted unanimously to allow doctors to recommend marijuana for people who are infected with H.I.V., as well as people with glaucoma, cancer or a “chronic and lasting disease.”
Some doctors say marijuana helps relieve nausea, vomiting, certain AIDS symptoms and some side effects of chemotherapy. For glaucoma patients, the drug is believed to help lower eye pressure. If federal lawmakers do not intervene, Washington will join California and 13 other states that allow residents to use marijuana for medical purposes.

Now the president and all the stressed out politicians will be able to legally smoke pot (if they have a qualifying medical condition, of course). :sidestep:
 
And I say it's about damn time. Next year, California has a proposal before the state legalizing recreational marijuana use. Currently is supported by over 65% of the state populace. It's about damn time we stopped criminalizing people for growing and using an HERB.

If you can grow it and use it in it's natural state, without any alteration or chemical enhancement, it should not be regulated. Pot is not a drug...it's a plant.

You know...the medicinal effects of THC in the marijuana plant are so potent, and so predictable, and so GOOD at their medicinal characteristics that they actually created a man-made, synthetic mirror that could be used in pill form?

If it works well enough, and with few enough side-effects, that prescription drug companies are investing money to create it in the laboratory, why not just legalize it?

Oh, I know why...because then the pharmeceutical companies can't make millions off of the treatment of these diseases. Because then people would just grow their own, and these companies would ose buillions of dollars a year in revenue because they are unable to duplicate the effects without creating side effects. That's why...:shrugs:
 
Lets be honest here. There's no good reason to keep pot illegal. It's no worst than alcohol or cigarettes. Keeping it illegal has done nothing to curb its use and has just ruined lives. Our prisons are overcrowded with non violent pot offenders who never should have gone to jail in the first place.

While I applaud this decision and think medical marijuana is a stepping stone for legal marijuana, it needs to be legalized, free up our prisons, and divert resources to places where they'd be better spent.
 
It's absurd that this plant is still illegal. So many pharmaceutical companies are lining politicians' pockets in order to keep the herb illegal in order to continue raking in money from people who have little choice but to use expensive synthetic alternatives to treat symptoms from serious medical conditions. It's scandalous, that's what it is.
 
It's a hard subject. Drug or plant, smoking pot has an effect you wouldn't want to see in people when for instance they are at work.
And there really are people for whom pot has been a stepping stone to hard drugs.

On the other hand, it IS no more addicting than alcohol or tobacco (and seeing the people I know who smoke pot, I would even say it's less addictive than tobacco).
So why is tobacco, every bit as addicting or even more, legal and pot isn't?
Why is alcohol, with an effect when taken too much as bad or worse than pot, legal and pot isn't?

Mostly money I guess. Many, many people earn their money in the tobacco and alcohol business. You can hardly make something illegal when it means that by doing that, you put such a multitude out of work.
And people are used to those being legal and consider pot to be worse.

Legalising pot is a good idea imo. Especially for medicinal use. I wonder how many people have to commit a "crime" to be able to use something that can finally relieve a part of their disease...
 
It's a hard subject. Drug or plant, smoking pot has an effect you wouldn't want to see in people when for instance they are at work.
And there really are people for whom pot has been a stepping stone to hard drugs.
So regulate it, just as alcohol and tobacco are regulated. I would certainly rather have an office visit with a stoned doctor than one that is drunk, or even hungover. As a firm believer in the benefits of moderation in both substances, I know from experience that being drunk or having a nasty hangover is FAR more problematic than smoking a little reefer.

And...I'd bet there are more people that have used alcohol as a "stepping stone" than pot. I don't have hard numbers or links, but I would certainly be willing to wager that more teens in this country drink a beer before they ever smoke a joint. Doesn't that make alcohol, not pot, the stepping stone? :shrugs:

Even worse...alcohol can be a truly devestating drug on it's own...no need to progress when you are already using one of the most volatile, most addictive, and most destructive drugs available...and it's perfectly legal...

On the other hand, it IS no more addicting than alcohol or tobacco (and seeing the people I know who smoke pot, I would even say it's less addictive than tobacco).
No more addicting?? There is NO chemical addiction or dependancy associated with marijuana. There are no physiological symptoms or withdrawal. There is no clinical addiction.

Sure...it can be habit forming. But habits and addictions are clinically defined completely differently. There is NO ADDICTION to marijuana. It simply does not happen. And that is a fact, long since proven to be true.

Further, there are no serious side effects, such as liver disease and lung cancer, as there is with tobacco and alcohol. THC is oil and alcohol soluble. The majority of carcinogenics found in pot are related to the carbon monoxide smoke. THC becomes useable by the body at 425*F. The plant burns at over 600*F. Vaporize the THC without burning the plant, and you receive all the positive effects of the THC with NONE of the carcinogenic effects of smoke inhalation. Bake it into butter, oil or soak it in an alcohol-based tincture, and the results are the same...all the benefits, none of the carcinogens.

So why is tobacco, every bit as addicting or even more, legal and pot isn't?
Why is alcohol, with an effect when taken too much as bad or worse than pot, legal and pot isn't?
Because there is billions of dollars per year to be made by these products.

Tobacco is a nutrient expensive plant to grow and harvest, and requires a tremendous amount of land to successfully produce. It is also not a self-sustaining crop.

Alcohol is regulated to prevent any individual from distilling their own hard liquors, and brewing of beer is also regulated. Again...it is not something the average individual has the capability of doing in their own home.

Conversely, marijuana is a self-flowering, self-sustaining crop that can be grown in a very small area, produce high quality plants, and does not deplete soil of it's nutritional value. If you till your plants back into the ground after harvest, they will grow the following year with very little assistance beyond grooming, trimming, and caring, as you would any garden vegetable.

What sane pot-head would pay a large corporation to package the plant that they can easily grow for a fraction of the cost in their own backyard, or even a 4X5 closet in an apartment?

Ultimately...there is billions to be made from the manufacture and production of alcohol and tobacco. There is no money to be made in the growing of pot, because any person can grow their own "stash", and sustain it with very little knowledge or effort.

Mostly money I guess. Many, many people earn their money in the tobacco and alcohol business. You can hardly make something illegal when it means that by doing that, you put such a multitude out of work.
That's precisely right.

And people are used to those being legal and consider pot to be worse.
That's because this country has a long history of criminalizing anything that doesn't make a profit. If people would ignore the propoganda of pot being a "gateway drug", and look at the real statistics and facts about the risks vs. benefits of the plant...there wouldn't be such a nasty stigmata for such a harmless plant.

Legalising pot is a good idea imo. Especially for medicinal use. I wonder how many people have to commit a "crime" to be able to use something that can finally relieve a part of their disease...
I am a clinical insomniac. On a good night, I sleep 4 hours. Most nights I am asleep by 3 or 4am, and back up before 6 to get ready for the day. If I go outside and smoke a joint at 8pm, after my daughter is in bed and asleep, I can be asleep by 10, and sleep through the night until my alarm clock wakes me up at 7am. That's 9 hours of sleep.

My alternatives are Ambien and similar highly-addictive sleep aids, all of which have the wonderful side-effects of sleep walking, cardiac arrythmia, and possibly death.

Gee...what's my choice?:shrugs:
 
It's a hard subject. Drug or plant, smoking pot has an effect you wouldn't want to see in people when for instance they are at work.
And there really are people for whom pot has been a stepping stone to hard drugs.

The issue with the "gateway drug" argument is that as long as marijuana remains illegal, people who smoke it are buying from drug dealers looking to make a profit. A dealer is likely to have any drug on hand that they can sell, and also likely to push more expensive/more addictive drugs on people who would normally only be interested in smoking pot. Most of the so-called "gateway" cases I have seen have been accidents; a pot smoker hooks up with their usual dealer, the dealer is out of or low on weed and sells them something else to make up for it. Certain people are no doubt predisposed to addiction and heavy experimentation with various drugs, but having a legal and regulated source of marijuana may prevent many people from being exposed to those drugs in the first place.
 
Why is pot a stepping stone? Because we put it on the black market with harder drugs.

If the guy you get your pot from has other stuff as well... A lot of people will try it. Viola.

Look up the REASON pot was made illegal. It'll blow your mind.

And for those who would bring up marijuana induced psychosis, I saw studies where the familial history of those with that condition and those with Skitzophrenia were identical! I would almost bet that for this with a family history of the disorder, a controlled administration of thc could test for skitzophrenia and allow them to begin treatment before larger problems arise!

But, that's just me. Here's hoping ohio's medical marijaunia law passes this year!
 
I think if they make it legal, they should tax the crap out of it... Make it an expensive hobby... Maybe they can ease up on the VAT taxes, after that... I seriously doubt it though... One more way for the .gov to make money.
 
Oh, I forgot to mention...

I refuse to drink alcohol.

I was a functional alcoholic for a while after my first deployment... Once I went on my second one I decided that drinking was probably not the best idea, especially since when I got back all of the guys got wasted... I fight the urge to drink every time I open my fridge, because my roommate is currently a functional alcoholic.

I literally struggle every day with it... Good thing he is moving out at the end of the month....

Oh, and I could totally see Congress token up a couple fat ones while in session... Maybe things will start making sense after that....lol

Maybe, just maybe the right and the left will start getting along, if they are all high?
 
The issue with the "gateway drug" argument is that as long as marijuana remains illegal, people who smoke it are buying from drug dealers looking to make a profit. A dealer is likely to have any drug on hand that they can sell, and also likely to push more expensive/more addictive drugs on people who would normally only be interested in smoking pot. Most of the so-called "gateway" cases I have seen have been accidents; a pot smoker hooks up with their usual dealer, the dealer is out of or low on weed and sells them something else to make up for it. Certain people are no doubt predisposed to addiction and heavy experimentation with various drugs, but having a legal and regulated source of marijuana may prevent many people from being exposed to those drugs in the first place.

I had to do some research regarding marijuana for a psychology class I took, and that was the conclusion of most of the research I had to do reviews on as well....If I have some time later I will try to dig up the articles and studies I used for my paper, but I am not totally sure where they are so no promises
 
I would certainly rather have an office visit with a stoned doctor than one that is drunk, or even hungover.


No more addicting?? There is NO chemical addiction or dependancy associated with marijuana. There are no physiological symptoms or withdrawal. There is no clinical addiction.

Sure...it can be habit forming. But habits and addictions are clinically defined completely differently. There is NO ADDICTION to marijuana. It simply does not happen. And that is a fact, long since proven to be true.

Seems for the most part we agree, but I would absolutely *not* go to a stoned docter at all!! When I look at the behavior of some stoned people, I would never allow someone like that prescribe me *anything*.

And the addicting part... That's just the way I see addiction in general. You're right, it may not be what the dictionary says it is, but the mental part of an addiction can be much worse than the physical part.
I myself smoke. Have been for almost 20 years. I have stopped smoking several times. The physical stuff is no fun, but it's just a period of grinding my teeth (and grinding and grinding again and grinding some more) and then you're past it. What the mental part is concerned; I just can't seem to get it into my thick skull that I DO NOT NEED THOSE SIGARETTES !!! Working on it, but clearly not there yet.
That's what I personally consider an addiction, and that's what I meant when I wrote my last post. I'll phrase it different next time.

I just want to add that by no means I'm saying that this is the case in every addiction. I only have personal experience with tobacco, so if other stuff is much worse in the physical part, don't think I'm trying to belittle that. That is not my intention.
 
Seems for the most part we agree, but I would absolutely *not* go to a stoned docter at all!! When I look at the behavior of some stoned people, I would never allow someone like that prescribe me *anything*.
I wouldn't either. But if I had to choose, I would choose stoned over drunk or hungover. I think either case should be grounds for loss of medical license, but the point I was trying to make was that doctors regularly drink while "on call", and often show up for office appointements after some morning Bloody Marys on the golf course. I wasn't saying a stoned doctor would be good. Absolutely not. But certainly no worse than a drunk doctor...

And the addicting part... That's just the way I see addiction in general. You're right, it may not be what the dictionary says it is, but the mental part of an addiction can be much worse than the physical part.
I myself smoke. Have been for almost 20 years. I have stopped smoking several times. The physical stuff is no fun, but it's just a period of grinding my teeth (and grinding and grinding again and grinding some more) and then you're past it. What the mental part is concerned; I just can't seem to get it into my thick skull that I DO NOT NEED THOSE SIGARETTES !!! Working on it, but clearly not there yet.
That's what I personally consider an addiction, and that's what I meant when I wrote my last post. I'll phrase it different next time.

I just want to add that by no means I'm saying that this is the case in every addiction. I only have personal experience with tobacco, so if other stuff is much worse in the physical part, don't think I'm trying to belittle that. That is not my intention.
IIRC, studies showed no significant difference in symntoms between marijuana and placebos. Don't ask for links or evidence, because I simply don't remember where I read it. If I'm wrong...so be it.

From personal experience, the mental habituation is minimal. I am a smoker, and I have kicked a couple of bad habits in my day, prescription, legal, and otherwise. Cigarettes are tougher than alcohol, valium, or heroin, without a doubt. Pot isn't even a consideration, in my non-professional and purely personal opinion...
 
Welcome to the club - literally. :D I live in California, which you could call the "pioneers" of medicinal marijuana, and have had a prescription for like 5 years... they're putting full legalization on CA's November ballot, and I personally say it's about time.
 
From personal experience, the mental habituation is minimal. I am a smoker, and I have kicked a couple of bad habits in my day, prescription, legal, and otherwise. Cigarettes are tougher than alcohol, valium, or heroin, without a doubt. Pot isn't even a consideration, in my non-professional and purely personal opinion...

That's possible. I really wouldn't know. I myself have tried pot two times in my life. Both times I felt more or less drunk, and very soon really nauseated which lasted for a long time. No fun in that. I guess it's just nothing for me :)
 
Legalizing cannabis is only the start to solving so many of the nation's problems besides the drug war. Hemp is a product that is so much better for the environment than cotton, it can be eaten, used as bio fuel, and paper. Hemp replaces nitrogen in the soil and requires no fertilizer or pesticides unlike cotton. Du Pont pushed for adding cannabis to the narcotics list under the new name marijuana.

Now I will not use cannabis unless I have a medical reason. I also think people should grow their own so they will not need to go though a second source.
 
I think cigarettes, alcohol, and pot should be illegal for recreational use.

There ARE medical uses for marijuana, and it can be used safely in moderation and when it's actually being used to TREAT something that CAN'T be treated by another medication. There are situations were another drug is SAFER to use the pot.

An herb can be a drug. I don't see why people keep saying that, emphasizing the fact that it's an HERB. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's NOT dangerous. Look at all of the poisonous plants for Christ's sake.

You DO alter marijuana when you want to smoke it, you dry it out. That is a small moderation, but STILL a moderation. And just because it's not the worst drug in the world doesn't mean it's not HARMFUL.
 
I think cigarettes, alcohol, and pot should be illegal for recreational use.

There ARE medical uses for marijuana, and it can be used safely in moderation and when it's actually being used to TREAT something that CAN'T be treated by another medication. There are situations were another drug is SAFER to use the pot.

An herb can be a drug. I don't see why people keep saying that, emphasizing the fact that it's an HERB. Just because it's natural doesn't mean it's NOT dangerous. Look at all of the poisonous plants for Christ's sake.

Unfortunately, the possibility of harm will never be enough of a reason to prevent people from doing something. Just because it is dangerous, or may possibly be dangerous to ingest certain drugs recreationally, does not mean that people are not going to do it. Making it illegal has not stopped them either. The illegality of drugs only means that there is no one in a position to regulate their consumption and that their purchase continues to feed money into the black market.

That argument could also be used to ban almost any activity or anything that could be consumed by a human being. Furthermore, I have issues with any governing body making decisions about what I, as an adult contributing to society, can and cannot put into my own body of my own free will.
 
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