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[Symphony_grace]

We were giving you good advice in the first, and you completely blew us off. We gave you knowledge, and you stated that you knew better than us. There was no initial criticism.

Sexing corns is rarely 100%. You can pop and prove a male hatchling, but you can never *prove* a female is a female until it lays eggs. My Dier popped and probed female. He *sired* last year's clutch of eggs!

Why are you unable to afford to get a separate plastic bin for your snake? It's a couple bucks!


Also, my personal experience with cohabbing: These snakes are the same age in this photo, and were bought when they were the same size. After a month of doing "fine" together, the snow went on a hunger strike. He also developed a very flighty and neurotic personality.

No I did not say I know better than you guys! I'm just saying what I saw! Jeez!!
And it's not the cost of a bin. It's space. I have no room for a container until I get some shelves put it, and that's bad enough as is.

 

[Shiari]

Of course I would hate it! I love my baby normal too much for her to be hurt
But there's still the concept of whether they can still be housed together.

It's simple:

If you are relatively new to snakes, it is a very bad idea because you don't know what stress looks like in them.

It's pretty much always a bad idea to house two babies together, as evidenced by the pictures. Cannibalism is rare, but do you want to risk winning that particular 'lottery'?

As to space: What, you can't put it on top of the tank you currently have? Or on a desk? Or on top of a bookcase? I've had tanks and bins shoved in all sorts of strange places! My quarantine bin is currently in my closet!

 

[Christen]

Of course I would hate it! I love my baby normal too much for her to be hurt
But there's still the concept of whether they can still be housed together.

It is possible, yes. There are risks, yes. I have co-habbed before successfully. I had two known girls in a 110 gal tank. Their tank was set up with the warm side in the middle and cool on either side. Decorations were a mirror image so each snake basically had the same set up with out a wall.

So yes it can be done but we can not and will not tell you it is ok. This is because there are risks when you house together but what we do know, is that there are not the same risks when you don't house together. That is a decision that you have to make yourself.

 

[Symphony_grace]

As to space: What, you can't put it on top of the tank you currently have? Or on a desk? Or on top of a bookcase? I've had tanks and bins shoved in all sorts of strange places! My quarantine bin is currently in my closet!

Nope. I have a small room, so space is fragile.
and I can't place snakes out of my room, less my mom sees it and goes on a panic rage. So I'm gonna have to sell the baby off, huh?

 

[Shiari]

if he's a baby, he'll fit in a shoebox-size bin. Those things are something like 1 foot long and 6 inches wide. I'm really quite certain you have room for that somewhere. Heck, the hatchling rack I have currently housing some 15 hatchlings is using sandwich tupperwares.

 

[Symphony_grace]

It is possible, yes. There are risks, yes. I have co-habbed before successfully. I had two known girls in a 110 gal tank. Their tank was set up with the warm side in the middle and cool on either side. Decorations were a mirror image so each snake basically had the same set up with out a wall.

So basically if I'm going to keep 2 in a same tank, I would need a divider so the one cannot see the other? Like yours in the future?

 

[Shiari]

You would need a BIG tank as the larger the space, the less stress. If you don't have room for a shoebox bin, you don't have room for a big enough tank. My 55gallon tank is 4 feet long!

 

[Christen]

That is another option. If your tank is big enough that you can divide them you can do that. I do have a divided tank.

 

[Symphony_grace]

if he's a baby, he'll fit in a shoebox-size bin. Those things are something like 1 foot long and 6 inches wide. I'm really quite certain you have room for that somewhere. Heck, the hatchling rack I have currently housing some 15 hatchlings is using sandwich tupperwares.

It's a girl XD but won't those shoe boxes be causing stress due to small spaces?

 

[Carinata]

Co-habbing is very dangerous and can result in loosing a snake or even both snakes. So if you have to sell this one off, so be it. It's better than loosing it to the other corn, an RI, or other ailment. When I'm not breeding my geckos, I buy and re-sell snakes and I house baby corns in deli cups, with a portion cup of water and they do fine. My reptile room is heated, but I think you get the idea. Baby Corns can live in very small spaces. Have you considered dividing the tank?

 

[Symphony_grace]

Co-habbing is very dangerous and can result in loosing a snake or even both snakes. So if you have to sell this one off, so be it. It's better than loosing it to the other corn, an RI, or other ailment. When I'm not breeding my geckos, I buy and re-sell snakes and I house baby corns in deli cups, with a portion cup of water and they do fine. My reptile room is heated, but I think you get the idea. Baby Corns can live in very small spaces. Have you considered dividing the tank?

I have, as a matter of fact. But the tank is 20 gal. so I don't think the snow would be happy in that situation. He loves big spaces so.......yeah this was a bad idea from the start. This baby corn was a surprise so I did not have any idea it would be bad to co-hab.

 

[Carinata]

Most baby Corns are very content in a 10 gallon tank. You could easily divide the tank into 2 equal sections and heat the middle so that each section had a warm side. That would greatly decrease the risk of an issue.

 

[Symphony_grace]

How about a, what is called a "Critter cage" here, a small container fit for a baby rat/mouse that is 8 inches length, 5 inches wide, and 6 inches height? will that be enough to contain her for a while?

 

[Carinata]

If it's a little plastic container, it should, but make sure you have a way of heating it and a way of controlling the heat.

 

[Symphony_grace]

Now that is going to be difficult. A shelter and keeping the heater near my room wouldn't be enough, will it?

 

[Symphony_grace]

Heater near my room on, is what I meant until the weather is warmer?

 

[Carinata]

I heat my reptile room, and it stays around 83-85 in my reptile room year round. I don't heat the Cornsnake deli cups, they are plenty warm. Unless you have an expensive thermostat to manage your heater, it's not suggested. I lost quite a few snakes using a cheap thermostat on a space heater.

 

[AliCat37]

A shoebox size container will actually be less stressful to them than a tank. Snakes like small spaces, makes them feel cozy. I have 3 of my babies in plastic shoeboxes and they are all eating/growing fine. When they get a bit bigger, I put them in a double shoebox bin, and that will be fine for a baby to ~ 1 year.
Each cage/tub should have it's own heat mat.. so are you saying that you don't have heat on them at all right now? Because that can be bad for them as well, in regards to digestion and all. I keep my entire room heated, and the tubs that don't have any additional heat stay around 82, so there is no problem feeding them at that temperature, however, I have UTHs set up on 8 of my cages and they are all on thermostats to keep the temperature consistent. You need a thermostat for your current set up any way, so if you get the same sized UTH for your shoe box, then you can just plug that into the thermostat as well and make sure the temps are reading the same.
You'll be a lot better off having the two of them separated for now (or forever, IMO) but like some others have said, once you get to know each snake as an individual, have them properly sexed, and they reach adult size, cohabbing can be done for female-female pairs.

 

[Symphony_grace]

Each cage/tub should have it's own heat mat.. so are you saying that you don't have heat on them at all right now? Because that can be bad for them as well, in regards to digestion and all. I keep my entire room heated, and the tubs that don't have any additional heat stay around 82, so there is no problem feeding them at that temperature, however, I have UTHs set up on 8 of my cages and they are all on thermostats to keep the temperature consistent. You need a thermostat for your current set up any way, so if you get the same sized UTH for your shoe box, then you can just plug that into the thermostat as well and make sure the temps are reading the same.
You'll be a lot better off having the two of them separated for now (or forever, IMO) but like some others have said, once you get to know each snake as an individual, have them properly sexed, and they reach adult size, cohabbing can be done for female-female pairs.

I have heat on them right now, It's how I'm going to heat the baby if I still keep her but put in a smaller container. So I basically need to keep the temperature around 80? Is anything over 75 acceptable? My room usually stays about 75-77 from my heater. And I have additional thermostats for just such an occasion!
But if what everyone else says is true, won't co-habbing be as risky with adults as well as youngings?

 

[AliCat37]

I have heat on them right now, It's how I'm going to heat the baby if I still keep her but put in a smaller container. So I basically need to keep the temperature around 80? Is anything over 75 acceptable? My room usually stays about 75-77 from my heater. And I have additional thermostats for just such an occasion!
But if what everyone else says is true, won't co-habbing be as risky with adults as well as youngings?

There will always be risks to cohabbing, and I am generally against it. However, many people in Europe do cohab, but they have their snakes in large, well decorated vivs, not tanks like we use here. I wouldn't put two corns in anything smaller than a 5' x 2' cage with the same hides through out (and two heated areas). I don't cohab, but I did when I first got corns and I had a bad experience, or rather, my snakes did.
As for heating the critter keeper/shoebox, I would just run out and get a small UTH when you move the baby out and plug it into the additional thermostat. They make these tiny heat pads for bettas that you could try, as they are by zoo med, which is the same company that makes the UTHs I use for the reptiles. They also have tiny 3.5 x 5 heat mats for things like shoeboxes that I love. I like my ambient temps around 77, but I still like having a hot side 82-85.