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Alternatives to Anery Diffused

I don't like Raider because it's strictly an american thing and hardly fair to the rest of us! lol I had no idea what "Raiders" were.

I think from a practical point of view, that people in other parts of the world would have a hard time marketing and selling them as "Raiders", it would require an explanation every time...
 
Maybe something with metal... I like the 'metallic' look of my granite a lot though it has a different look form most granites. Bullet corn? Metal corn?
 
Even though so far I prefer graphite corn, how about anthracite corn?

Also, I don't know if I'm allowed to ask this question,and if I'm not I apoligize ahead of time and mods feel free to delete this, but here goes. Those other 2 cornsnake exclusive forums that were mentioned, well I know about the one started last year by Caroline, but what is the other?
 
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My personal preference would be to retain the internationally known trade name "granite" for animals who are homozygous diffuse / homozygous anerythristic, and call the Keys-based limited-circulation animals "Keys Granite" instead. Or "Keys Stripe Granite"
 
jaxom1957 said:
I have no delusions about one poll or thread on one forum changing naming conventions, though I am hoping to bring about peace in the Middle East.
I think you'll have better luck trying to change the trade name for a Diffused Anery "A".
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Raider Corns for Anery Bloods was my idea, and it was a very stupid one, and was more of a joke than anything else. I vote for Granite Corns for Anery Bloods. The only problem I see is that Pepper is used in Europe for the same morph.

Where is it written in law that the creator of a morph as the inequitable right to name it? I saw a similar debate in the Boa world over the naming of a Hypo Snow. A still born Hypo Snow was produced, and he claimed to have the right to name the morph even though it was not viable. I thought that was completely ridiculous, especially since he didn‘t even have a live one to grow up.

I do not believe the creator of a morph has the right to name it. He may have more weight given to his suggestion, but it is a stupid idea, CAN it like Raider Corns should be. If we showed 100 people on the street photos of the “Original” Granite and the common use of Granite Corns (Anery Bloods) and ask them to pick out the one that is a Granite Corn, all 100 of them would pick Anery Bloods. I think the original use of Granite was inappropriate, not representative of the morph and it will never catch on in regular public use, so why is there a debate at all? It looks like some sort of Striped variation of Keys Corn to me.

Many original names of new morphs have changed over the years, so why is this one so different? Maybe it is just me, but I have seen a lot of Granite over the years, and none of it looked like the “Original” Granite Corns. I guess there is a rare type that fits, but if it is not common, then where is the association?
 
ecreipeoj said:
Raider Corns for Anery Bloods was my idea, and it was a very stupid one

Just for the record, I would have adressed my bad feelings about that kind of name to everyone and it was in no way a personal thing against the person that suggested that name - in this case you. Just wanted to point that out.
 
I know I broke the rules of this thread, but I think this thread is bias. I am going to try to find the threads where this has been discussed already and catch up. Can somebody list links to these threads here. This would eliminate my distaste for this thread.

Why should we come up with alternative names for a morph, if we like and use Granite for Anery Bloods? The thread itself suggest that the use of Granite for Anery Bloods is wrong and a new name will be needed. To silence the opposition, rules for the thread have been put in place that is well a violation of our rights of free speech. It basically says, that even if you don’t like the idea of changing the name of Anery Bloods, just shut up, and watch us come up with alternative names for Anery Diffused.

Why don’t you start a thread titled Alternative Names for the “Original” Granite, lets come up with new names. Lets not get into whether or not a name change is needed, and in fact, this type of discussion will not be allow in this thread. Now everybody, lets see if we can come up with a new name for the “Original” Granites. Is everybody having fun now? We are not saying that a name change is needed, but just for fun, lets see what we can come up with. Maybe you will even like one of them.

This thread starts out named Anery Diffused, as if this is the only and most correct way to refer to Anery Bloodreds. If anybody who knows anything about Corns does not know what an Anery Bloodred or Snow Bloodred is, then perhaps they need to do a little more research. It is like learning a language, and there are a lot of different languages that have different words that mean the same thing. Anery Bloodreds are not red, do we need to explain why? Anery Bloodred, Anery Blood, Anery Diffused, (Actually if we are going to use a pattern name, I like Diffused Anery) but in any case, I know what they all mean, the exact same thing. Bloodreds have a long history, and then some very smart people discovered that there is a pattern trait associated with Bloodreds. This is very similar to Sunkissed. Are we going to change the name of Anery Sunkissed to a pattern trait name, because they are not well “Sunkissed” looking any more. They certainly are not orange, or look like any sun of any kind. We are calling the pattern on Sunkissed, the “Sunkissed” Pattern. We could just as easily be calling the pattern on Bloods the Bloodred pattern instead of the Diffused pattern.

Is the “Original’ Granites proven to be a new gene that is incompatible with all known Corn Snake genes? Is it simple recessive, co-dominant, color trait, pattern trait, or what? Has it been accepted by the majority as a new gene that needs a name? I know what I needed to do, just to talk about the “Transparent” Corns, and “Blue Ice” Corns that are now known as Lavas and Ice. Has the proof of a new gene been established that needs a name. Please direct me to the threads that establish this, so I can enlighten myself. Are the Original Granites deserving of being the 16th Corn Snake mutant gene that we have discovered, or were they proven back at 12 or 13, I didn’t here about it?
 
Just a quick note here. Been reading through this thread, and I believe something needs to be corrected.

No one can dictate how a thread will progress once they start it. Particularly in the nature of something that is naturally going to spark debate on multiple levels. Anyone can SUGGEST the direction they would like a thread to go, but the mods are not required to respond to the requests for assistance in deleting posts of any other member being contrary to the suggestions of the thread starter.

This thread is a DISCUSSION on a discussion based message board. I'm sure the mods here have enough to do without having to check each and every thread to try to determine if the discussion has wandered away from the demands of the person starting the thread.

Personally, I don't see how you can have a discussion about what to call an animal without that discussion spiralling into a discussion about how one name would be better than another. Especially if some consider "Granite" as being a legitimate option.

Now, that being said, and to further muddy the waters, I believe that a long while back, I suggested calling what we now call the "Pewters" as "Pepper Corns". Secondly, originally (again, as best I can recall), Bill and Kathy Love originally were calling the Anerythristic Blood Reds as "Pewter" corns, and somehow the name switched over to where the "Pewter" label got put onto the Charcoal Blood Reds.

As for the "Granite" label, I saw the original animals that Craig Boyd had that he was calling by that name, and my first thought was that they were a form of Ghost Stripe. Which brings up a point, has anyone ever seen an actual GHOST that looks like what we are calling "Ghost Corns"? :grin01:

For the record, I call mine "Anery Blood Reds" for lack of anything better to call them. And the Hypo Anerythristic Blood Reds, I still call "Ghost Blood Reds". Things are going to get sticky as my Silver Queen Blood Reds get some size to them and apparently are going to look very "un-Silver Queen" looking.... :crazy02:
 
I like "Anery <one of the Bloodred terms>". My bias is just that I have no memory for what the fancy names mean, and plus they remind me of the time we painted the floor of an apartment we were living in a color called "Sophisticated Lady". Name didn't help matters any, didn't mean a darn thing to anyone; it was just a random goofy name.

-Sean
 
The debate over whether the name should be changed and why is already taking place in another thread. THIS THREAD was started solely to collect suggestions for what the name should be. Included in the list is GRANITE, the name currently being used. Where is the bias???

Free speech is not unlimited. You were not asked not to state your opinion or argument: you were asked to do it in another venue. I began the thread with a specific goal and purpose, and stated so in the first post. Argument and debate do not further that purpose. Hijacking the thread isn't "free speech", it's rudeness.

No one is being asked to stop using the trade name. What is being asked is: Should the name be kept, accepting the likely confusion? What are the alternatives? Is there another name that describes the snakes better that hobbyists would find acceptable? The members were asked to show their preferences by nominating possible names and eventually voting on them. Again, granite was included in the possibilities right from the start.

I titled it Anery Diffused because I use Anery Diffused. I don't use Bloodred for snakes that have no red coloring. Whether Anery Bloodred is "most correct" is a matter of opinion, and you are entitled to to label your thread however you like.

Please take your arguments to:
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55695
 
Rich Z said:
Things are going to get sticky as my Silver Queen Blood Reds get some size to them and apparently are going to look very "un-Silver Queen" looking.... :crazy02:

:-offtopic

:crazy02:

I had thoughts of starting up a project like that with a Silverqueen... I had hoped YOU would... I should have known :grin01: I can't wait to see photos.

:dancer:

(now back to your regularly scheduled programming)

My opinion on all this? :shrugs: oh wait... this isnt a debate... nevermind. ;)
 
ecreipeoj said:
The only problem I see is that Pepper is used in Europe for the same morph.
. . . and how/why would that be a problem?

Where is it written in law that the creator of a morph as the inequitable right to name it?
I call the Lava Hypo morph a Lava because for the most part YOU chose that name for the morph irregardless of the fact I think there could/would be a better name for it. Don't even pretend that you wouldn't be up in arms if somebody else called that morph something different OR if someone else wanted to name a new morph "Lava" because it better resembled real Lava. :shrugs:

Renaming the Anery Bloods to something besides Granite comes down to a respect issue in my book. Agree or disagree, what's the right thing to do once you know the whole story? Jaxom already gave the link.

D80
 
Hurley said:
Silver
Tin
Aluminum
Iron
Steel
The above mentioned names were originally suggested for Anery A Diffused in a January 2004 post. I've added them to the list, and will add any other names previously suggested as I become aware of them.
 
Drizzt80 said:
. . . and how/why would that be a problem?

Because it would create the next confusion. I think if one would want to change, one should chose a new name.
 
Menhir said:
Because it would create the next confusion. I think if one would want to change, one should chose a new name.
If Pepper is already being used in the UK for Anery Bloodreds, then Pepper would seem to be the most logical name to change Anery Bloods. Since the UK has already chosen to create their own confusion by using the name Pepper instead of Granite, then regardless of what the name is changed to it's still different and is a different confusion, but a confusion none-the-less. If, as I suggested, we used the name Pepper, then there would be no confusion on either side of the pond.

I hope that made sense.
D80
 
Drizzt80 said:
If Pepper is already being used in the UK for Anery Bloodreds, then Pepper would seem to be the most logical name to change Anery Bloods. Since the UK has already chosen to create their own confusion by using the name Pepper instead of Granite, then regardless of what the name is changed to it's still different and is a different confusion, but a confusion none-the-less. If, as I suggested, we used the name Pepper, then there would be no confusion on either side of the pond.

I think while pepper might be used to some extent in some countries on mainland Europe, the UK uses granite for anery bloodreds. The only morph I can think of that has a different preferred name in the UK to the US is rootbeer, which we'd tend to call a copper.
 
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