Amaretto Corn

[iculatr]

What happened to Peach?

Even though Hypo + caramel + lavender is supposed to be Peach, some people consider Peach to be more of a line-bred morph. The reasoning behind it is that "peaches" produced outside of Rich Hume's mystery project group have not had the same "peach" coloring. So we've got peach, lamber, lamberder, and now amaretto for the same gene combination? What about just Lavender Amber? Personally, if I were selling this morph, I would either list them as "lavender ambers" or "hypo caramel lavenders" to avoid confusing/uncommon trade names.

 

[steve roylance]

Even though Hypo + caramel + lavender is supposed to be Peach, some people consider Peach to be more of a line-bred morph. The reasoning behind it is that "peaches" produced outside of Rich Hume's mystery project group have not had the same "peach" coloring. So we've got peach, lamber, lamberder, and now amaretto for the same gene combination? What about just Lavender Amber? Personally, if I were selling this morph, I would either list them as "lavender ambers" or "hypo caramel lavenders" to avoid confusing/uncommon trade names.

From what I remember talking to Rich Hume, he wasn't even sure of what made up the Peach Corn. So at least with Amaretto we know it's a Hypo Lavender Caramel. I personally think it's a good name for it.

 

[Walter Smith]

What happened to Peach?

This is the question I was waiting for to arise.

Here is the deal on "Peach". The first corns that were produced that had the name coined "Peach" were produced by Rich Hume. I have talked with Rich in great detail about these. After some test breeding (I beleive it was last year 2011) Rich was able to do a breeding that proved and concluded that the CARAMEL triat had nothing to do with his "Peach" colored snakes. He actually refers to them now as Peach "PHASE" Hypo Lavenders.

As Steve mentioned, Rich is still not quite sure what trait is causing the peach coloration in his line, but it has been proven by him, that Caramel is NOT a factor in the Peach corns.

As you can see by all the pics. of the Amaretto's ( Hypo + Caramel + Lavender ) in this thread, they all display the same look. A very pale coloration with a yellow overwash and that NONE of them look like Rich's peach phase Hypo Lavenders.

As far as the "Peach" corns listed on Ian's vivarium, that's just a simple case of a name being coined to a morph that was not yet fully proven for it's genetic background. Pretty much a pre-mature listing in my opinion.

The terms Carender, Amberder, Lamber....etc. I beleive will now be non exsistant since we now have a name that alot of people like and one the fits very well. There will be those out there who won't like it and that's perfectly fine, they just simply don't have to use it, but I think alot of the people in the hobby WILL use it the term Amaretto and likes it.

Every single person is definatly entitled to their own opinion and there is no law that they HAVE to use it. I never did like the term "Avalanche" and personally don't use it.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[iculatr]

From what I remember talking to Rich Hume, he wasn't even sure of what made up the Peach Corn. So at least with Amaretto we know it's a Hypo Lavender Caramel. I personally think it's a good name for it.

I purchased a "peach" opal bloodred from Rich last year. I'm pretty sure it is only het hypo. It is supposed to be caramel + amel + lavender + bloodred. Taking that into consideration, and the old description of Peach, this doesn't even work genetically. I guess ill be contacting Rich on what she is for sure now...

 

[SickPyth7]

I remember carrying on a conversation with Vinman years ago about the first "Peach" that had serviced. He mentioned that it was definitely from some kind of mystery gene, even to this day I don't know that anyone has found out what that gene is. I believe Vinman may even have snakes carrying the mystery gene! It does appear that any "Hypo,Caramel, Lavenders" produced do not have the strong coloration that the Peach has so I would agree with Walter and Steve that it is a seperate gene and not the one we are seeing producing regularly today!

I'm defintely for the Amaretto name

 

[SickPyth7]

I even have a picture of that "Peach" that I encountered years ago....This is the picture Vinman and I had talked about I believe back in 2006. I do not know who the owner of this snake is but hope that this lovely corn is still out there and doing well.

THIS PHOTO DOES NOT BELONG TO ME AND IS NOT MY ANIMAL

 

[airenlow]

I don't understand how Amaretto is any more fitting than the previous names. And how long do we have to use a morph name before it is considered permanent? (not being an ass, just curious)

 

[airenlow]

Walter, how old is the snake in the first picture? This is an '05 Rich Hume "Peach," then and now...

Photo by Rich Hume

 

[SickPyth7]

I don't understand how Amaretto is any more fitting than the previous names. And how long do we have to use a morph name before it is considered permanent? (not being an ass, just curious)

Usually the best name for a morph will stick when used by the majority of people/most liked. I think the problem with this morph is that to many different names are used often without one actually sticking well or even being catchy enough. I think Amaretto is a good solid (shorter) name that one will remember and stick well. Caramel Lavender is to long, I cannot stand Amberder or Lamber.....Peach was good but like mentioned I believe it is not fitting genetically. IMO

I even like adding the SOUR part if your snake has Amel too! So in other words a Amel, Caramel, Hypo, Lavender could be called Amaretto Sour

 

[ecreipeoj]

How is Amaretto fitting for Caramel Lavenders that are light lavender with yellow highlights, when the amaretto color is brown with gold highlights? It is not descriptive of the morph at all.

 

[iculatr]

How is Amaretto fitting for Caramel Lavenders that are light lavender with yellow highlights, when the amaretto color is brown with gold highlights? It is not descriptive of the morph at all.

I thought the same thing.

Anyway, my personal take on trade names is that they are not always necessary for every new morph created. If you think about it, there are plenty of existing morphs that never got a name other than what they actually are. For example, why did Sunkissed Anery never get a trade name, but Honeys (Sunkissed Caramel) did? That is why I previously said I'd personally still call the morph in question as Lavender Ambers. That is just my take on trade names most of the time. To each their own though, as some people say Sunkissed Butter while others say Saffron...

 

[Walter Smith]

Walter, how old is the snake in the first picture? This is an '05 Rich Hume "Peach," then and now...

If in fact these two pics. are of the same snake, that is a good example of a term coined way too early. There is a huge difference in appearence of those two pics. and those two pics. do not resemble Amarettos at all.

I'm not saying there are not Peach corns (in this case now, peach PHASE Hypo Lavenders), but it has been proven that peach corns are NOT the result of the combined traits of only Hypo + Caramel + Lavender.

The Amarettos are Hypo + Caramel + Lavender combines and are consistant with the same appearance.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[Walter Smith]

I thought the same thing.

Anyway, my personal take on trade names is that they are not always necessary for every new morph created. If you think about it, there are plenty of existing morphs that never got a name other than what they actually are. For example, why did Sunkissed Anery never get a trade name, but Honeys (Sunkissed Caramel) did? That is why I previously said I'd personally still call the morph in question as Lavender Ambers. That is just my take on trade names most of the time. To each their own though, as some people say Sunkissed Butter while others say Saffron...

That is how I see it Jarrett...(to quote you marked in bold)
If someone does not like the term applied, they just simply don't have to use it.
How does "HONEY" fit ??? I mean the snake is actually a CARAMEL with a slightly different appearance due to the pattern altering of the Sunkissed trait. It's not "Honey" colored at all......it's still Caramel :shrugs:

There is NO LAW that ANY of the trade names have to be used by anyone, but for people who do like trade names and like the term given to a particular morph, then by all means they have the right to use it. The people who do not care for it for whatever reason don't have to.

How does a Snow Bloodred ressemble an Avalanche at all ??

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[airenlow]

If in fact these two pics. are of the same snake, that is a good example of a term coined way too early.

Yep, same snake...and I don't disagree about Peach. That's why I'll stick with Caramel/Amber Lav with his offspring.

photo by Rich Hume

photo by Rich Hume

photo by me

 

[iculatr]

That is how I see it Jarrett...(to quote you marked in bold)
If someone does not like the term applied, they just simply don't have to use it.
How does "HONEY" fit ??? I mean the snake is actually a CARAMEL with a slightly different appearance due to the pattern altering of the Sunkissed trait. It's not "Honey" colored at all......it's still Caramel :shrugs:

There is NO LAW that ANY of the trade names have to be used by anyone, but for people who do like trade names and like the term given to a particular morph, then by all means they have the right to use it. The people who do not care for it for whatever reason don't have to.

How does a Snow Bloodred ressemble an Avalanche at all ??

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

I **Completely** agree! LOL! Your example of "Honey" is perfect. I feel the same way. Especially when some of them get that "green" coloring...how does that resemble honey??? When you actually think about some of the trade names, you start to wonder "How the heck did this morph get THAT name???" As for "Avalanche"....obviously not a great name for a Snow Bloodred. This is another good example of trade name gone wrong :rofl:

 

[Walter Smith]

I **Completely** agree! LOL! Your example of "Honey" is perfect. I feel the same way. Especially when some of them get that "green" coloring...how does that resemble honey??? When you actually think about some of the trade names, you start to wonder "How the heck did this morph get THAT name???" As for "Avalanche"....obviously not a great name for a Snow Bloodred. This is another good example of trade name gone wrong :rofl:

With all that said, the fact still remains, these trade names have been accepted by some and are being used by the ones who like it. The ones who don't like these terms, simply don't use them.

I like the term Amaretto and that's what I'll be using to lable my cornsnakes that are tri-homo for Hypo + Caramel + Lavender and if my guy proves to be het for Bloodred, when the time comes, those labels will read Amaretto Bloodred.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

 

[SickPyth7]

With all that said, the fact still remains, these trade names have been accepted by some and are being used by the ones who like it. The ones who don't like these terms, simply don't use them.

I like the term Amaretto and that's what I'll be using to lable my cornsnakes that are tri-homo for Hypo + Caramel + Lavender and if my guy proves to be het for Bloodred, when the time comes, those labels will read Amaretto Bloodred.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

I agree Walter with everything you have said. Its funny cause I feel the same way with the "Fire" Ball Python....its Brown and Black how does that resemble fire at all???? Go Figure LOL

I to plan use Amaretto and Amaretto Sour

 

[Susan]

A pretty snake called by any name will still be pretty.

I use some trade names, some I don't, mostly because it's not a morph in my collection or I just can't remember what the genetic make-up is and have to always look it up. "Avalanche" was used because it is a "snow" related term, and the other "good" related terms were already used.

"Amaretto" is definitely better than "carender" and "amberder". Is the color exactly like the wonderful alcoholic beverage? No, but it does continue along the caramel theme, as does "honey"...something good and having a yellow/brown color, even if it's only mild in the case of the amaretto. Some morphs don't have trade names yet, such as the Sunkissed anery, probably because no one has thought of a good one yet. As soon as someone does, you'll most likely hear the same sort of comments ranging from "I love it!" to "I hate it!". "To each his own, said the farmer as he kissed the pig."

 

[punky_jen]

Correction, your little AMARETTO It seems the term Amaretto would be much more accepted in the hobby for this tri-homo and it does sound much better. BTW, awesome little one you have there !!

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!

I do prefer the term Amaretto And thanks I hope she shows up some good yellowing as she grows.

 

[cornmorphs]

waiting on eggs to hatch and others to be laid, but once all done will prove out one of my males from the mystery clutch. I had labelled the snake as amber anery bloodred from hatch, but I cant see now how the snake isnt homo lavender at least. so this will be Hypo,caramel, anery (maybe), bloodred lavender..
I hope to prove them all out this year, whether he is het or homo anery, lavender of whatever.
I have kept back so many from this pairing over the years I really should have all the answers on my particular ones now.. but shouldnt be long anyway.