Anery Lavenders

[JFDery]

For those of you who have done this combo, what are your results? All my lavs have no yellow what so ever on them. I know Rich posted pics of an anery Lav expressing some yellow in the neck area; anybody has the same effect or a different effect? Also, what are your observations on the expression of that combo? Always obvious, or obvious most of the times?

Cheers

JF

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

I should be able to help with this question within the next couple of months. I have bred a Snow het, p/homo Lavender x Lavender het Anery. I am really hoping that the babies will be easily distinguishable from one another. I look forward to further posts on this thread.
Jay

 

[JFDery]

Thanks Jay, looking forward to read your post.

JF

 

[Roy Munson]

I've never produced anery-lavs, but I've owned an adult and I've seen a lot of photos. I think that all of the ones I've seen have completely lacked the peachy tones that a lot of straight-up lavs have. Of course, some straight-up lavs aren't that peachy either. But one feature that seems to distinguish anery-lavs from straight-up lavs is their eyes. I think all the ones I've seen have had a ruby pupil in a blue iris. Lots of straight-up lavs have ruby pupils, but I don't see them with blue irises.

 

[JFDery]

Thanks Dean, this is exactly the kind of info I'm looking for. I haven't seen that many Anery Lavs, and I've never hatched any (as far as I know). If adding anery to lav inhibits the pink/peachy hues, I would be very tempted to verify if those hues are pigments or structural colors, I would anticipate that they are pigments.

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

I've never produced anery-lavs, but I've owned an adult and I've seen a lot of photos. I think that all of the ones I've seen have completely lacked the peachy tones that a lot of straight-up lavs have. Of course, some straight-up lavs aren't that peachy either. But one feature that seems to distinguish anery-lavs from straight-up lavs is their eyes. I think all the ones I've seen have had a ruby pupil in a blue iris. Lots of straight-up lavs have ruby pupils, but I don't see them with blue irises.

Thanks Dean. I will use this post to help indentify babies if I get any this year.
Jay

 

[Blue Apple Herps]

I have a pair of anerys het lavender motley I'm breeding this year and I had similar questions/concerns. I asked Chris Olsen about it as I knew he worked with them and he made an extremely useful/helpful post about it.

http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62416

 

[JFDery]

Thanks, it is a good post.

JF

 

[TandJ]

Not proven at this point.. The breeder figures this one is definantly an anery lavender.. I have no reason to doubt him at this time..

The same girl with a hypo lavender male..

Of course these are Anery Lavender Motleys..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[SnakeCreations]

Anery Lav

I've not hatched any either, but did pick up a pair from Rich this year.. They're only 2007's, so small still, but not like anything I've ever seen...

Heres Malie, the female in sunlight and Hunaki, the male, posing!

Enjoy!

 

[JFDery]

So from what I see on most of these pics, the hatchlings are very light and they darken a bit ontogenically. I guess lavender ghosts may be another interesting combo then. Thanks for the replies.

JF

 

[onelifetolive45]

I will be receiving my 07 tomorrow morning Ill try to snap some pics before I need to head off to school. I really can't wait, I don't know what it is but these guys are beautiful.

 

[JFDery]

Reviving this old post,

does anyone have any experience to add on this topic? Do you have or produce definite type A Anery Lavenders? What are your observations? Do you find the combo unambiguous?

Tim, did yours prove out as an Anery-Lavender (if you still have him, or her)?

JF

 

[Blue Apple Herps]

does anyone have any experience to add on this topic? Do you have or produce definite type A Anery Lavenders? What are your observations? Do you find the combo unambiguous?

Yes, next to each other its very obvious what is what. I had a clutch from anery het lave motley x same, and it was obvious what was anery and what was anery-lav and compared to a separate clutch of lavenders, it was a clear difference between the lavs and anery-lavs as well.

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

Jean,
I am glad you dug this thread up again. I actually had forgotten about it as the test breeding I had last year went for not. The male Snow was not het Lavender. I believe I have rectified the situation this year as I now have an Anery Lavender to go with my Lavender het Anery girl. All of our breeders are out of brumation and have had a couple of meals. They will be breeding soon so I might be able to post pictures of the differences between the morphs in three months or so.
Matthew you stay close by so you can be at the ready if I need some help with identification.
Jay

Here is a picture of our Anery Lavender. Like Dean said, he does have a blue iris (hard to see with the flash) and he is missing the typical Lavender "peachy" hues. He has a very light background and light grey blotches.

 

[TandJ]

I have not proven them out to that .. I have a lot of trust in the fellow I got them from..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

 

[JFDery]

Thanks Matthew, Jay and Tim for your comments.

Jay, that's a very nice specimen, he sure give's a reason for the name Lavender.

Tim, I really didn't want to sound like you needed to prove it. I only asked because back then you mentioned "not proven yet". Sorry if it sounded otherwise.

I’ve been working with a group of animals for a while now which at the very first I thought were special lavenders. Some observations and discussions with other breeders brought to the possibility that they are something different than lavender. Since then they have been referred to as mystery hypos, true ghosts, milky hypos, and even dilutes. Personally, as long as they’re not proven to not be lavenders, I’m a bit reluctant to coin them a trade name (even if I like the “true ghost” name). Some of the reasons for suspecting they were maybe something else are the fact that the pinks and peach tones were more pronounced, they had a milky/glossy look to them, AND when combined with Anery A the phenotype silver, no traces of the faintest pink, but hints of very diluted yellow in the neck area. In subsequent generations, the faint yellow in the neck area became not so faint, but all other characteristics remained. The effect of combining this mystery strain with Anery A has been consistent (but for the anterior yellow) at all breeding trials. I also had an Anery Lavender (proven) and her color was more like Tim’s first pic. I figured that if Anery Lavs looked exactly like Mystery Lavs, it would be case closed: mystery = Lav, period. I’ve also seen one picture of an Anery Lav that looks just like my Mystery Lav Aneries.

Anyway, here’s a sample of those Lavs. Let me know what you think.

This is an Anery A “Mystery Lav” F2

This is the original male "Mystery Lav" (not the father of above)

A young “Mystery Lav” F2

 

[Jay@PJCReptiles]

Hi Jean,
I have been following the "mystery line" for a couple of years now to see what the clutches are producing. In fact I have a male from the line in our collection. I have noticed that Caramel, Hypo and Lavender seem to be very prominent morphs in this line. It is a good possibility that the snakes you just posted are Caramel Lavender Motley (especially the last one) or better yet Amber Lavender Motley. From the pictures I have seen of Caramel/Lavender mutations yours seem to possess the samek traits except brighter. Is it due to Hypo? Time will tell. Great snakes. Happy Test Breeding!
Jay

 

[JFDery]

Jay,

I assume you're talking about the "Mysterys" from Rich Hume and Vinman’s line. This line has no known relation to RH line, the founding stock has been here (in Canada) since mid ‘90s, and the first “Mysterys” popped up early 2000 but were thought to be nicely colored ghosts (since some of the breeders were anery and there is an intense hypo somewhere in the parental background). Since 2003, I've bred them with caramel, amel, charcoal, Anery A, two different hypo types (that are not ultras), bloodred, motley and striped. All of the parental generation is non-carriers of caramel, both tested hypos, and bloodred. Some are het anery, some are het motley, one is het amel. The individual on the last pic has no caramel in the parental background but is a possible het motley. None of those are motley, and the ones in the two first pics are confirmed non-het motley.

I mentioned “mystery” but only because I don’t want to claim that they are not lavenders. For the moment, as far as I am concerned, the only mystery to them is Lav or not Lav, and the physiological mechanism implicated in the effect (but that’s a different story). I’ve been very careful about what I cross this line with; I want to keep track of the genes they may carry.

In 2006, I crossed the original male (the second pic) with a Snow female, and kept some of the F1. The F1 have been slow growers but I test-crossed some of them in 2008 despite their small size. The clutch sizes were too small to establish if the outcome included Mystery + Amel or Mystery + Amel + Anery combos. There were amels, anerys, snows, regulars Mysterys and Anery Mystery. The amels and snows looked like any other Amel or Snow, so I could not tell that they were also homozygous “Mystery”. I’ve also kept some triple hets (Mystery + Caramel + Amel) from a “Mystery” X Butter pairing. These are still a bit small to breed this year.

cheers

 

[Devilscat]

Happen to be looking. My daughter says wow wow. She really likes the second and the third one the best and would love to take one of them. WOW!