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Change from frozen to live

And sampling just a fraction of your collection and they come back negative for parasites doesn't mean the other portion is clean as well. If you keep them in their own housing and use sanitary methods to clean and change water as to not contaminate then you wouldnt know who has parasites and who doesnt.

Just my opinion.
 
beautifullywild77 said:
Actually freezing mice and then thawing doesn't really lose all that much nutrients for it to be better to feed pre-killed or live. Just like freezing your meat from cows or elk. Believe me I asked a professor of meat science that question.

I also highly doubt big breeder facilities check every single mouse or rat they breed for parasites. Look at what happened with RodentPro. There is a higher chance of contracting parasites from live or prekilled rodents.
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Thanks for that Steph! You make some excellent points.
 
beautifullywild77 said:
And sampling just a fraction of your collection and they come back negative for parasites doesn't mean the other portion is clean as well. If you keep them in their own housing and use sanitary methods to clean and change water as to not contaminate then you wouldnt know who has parasites and who doesnt. except for the ones you have tested

Just my opinion.
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starsevol said:
Very good point!!

Also, owning alot of something for a long long time does NOT mean you're an expert. I own alot of shoes, and have owned shoes all my life but that doesnt make me a cobbler.

Just a friendly word of advice, you would fit in alot better around here if you would lose the arrogance.
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just like you I want to help others with issues they need answered. I have lots of time and experiance when it comes to snakes and reptiles, this is what I know. I'm not arrogant. I don't own a store or have a hi-teck breeding facility, nor have I wrote any books on the subject. I know what I know because I breath and live this life. I did graduate from Earlham College for herpitology so that does make me somewhat of an expert.
 
Well a college education doesn't automatically make one an expert in the field of their major. I graduated with a major in Special Education and a minor in History. Educated in those fields yes but expert no.

All people are stated is there is a higher risk of parasites from feeding live and prekilled rodents. I do have a few snakes who at one time would only eat live or prekilled. They never got a parasite but that is not saying they couldn't have. They both got fecal tests done at the vet and came out clean. They now are on f/t and thriving along with all my other snakes who eat f/t.
 
The question was is it ok to feed prekilled from frozen? The answer in my opinion YES YOU CAN.

It's a personal opinion that's it that's all.
 
worldsofwonder said:
just like you I want to help others with issues they need answered. I have lots of time and experiance when it comes to snakes and reptiles, this is what I know. I'm not arrogant. I don't own a store or have a hi-teck breeding facility, nor have I wrote any books on the subject. I know what I know because I breath and live this life. I did graduate from Earlham College for herpitology so that does make me somewhat of an expert.
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Well telling people that their snakes can't get parasites from live food or fresh killed is a massive fail.
And like I said before, I have lots of time and experiance owning and driving cars...doesn't make me a mechanic.
And whether or not you consider yourself arrogant is besides the point. Arrogant is how you are presenting yourself.
 
starsevol said:
Well telling people that their snakes can't get parasites from live food or fresh killed is a massive fail.
And like I said before, I have lots of time and experiance owning and driving cars...doesn't make me a mechanic.
And whether or not you consider yourself arrogant is besides the point. Arrogant is how you are presenting yourself.
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The one thing Jeffery told me about this site is he got bad advise and the arrogance here is sufficating. DO and SAY what you want, give some bad advise give some good advise. All I said is yes you can feed them live, then you people attack me and my credentials, asking to see pics of my set up for proof of what I do. And you are whom? That's right no one. Just like me.
 
worldsofwonder said:
The one thing Jeffery told me about this site is he got bad advise and the arrogance here is sufficating. DO and SAY what you want, give some bad advise give some good advise. All I said is yes you can feed them live, then you people attack me and my credentials, asking to see pics of my set up for proof of what I do. And you are whom? That's right no one. Just like me.
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#1 Never heard of this Jeffrey person.

#2 Exactly what bad advice did he get here?

#3 The word is "suffocating", and you are the one who seems to think that because you own hundreds of animals, and know a few latin names with your degree, that your word is the be-all and end-all. Guess what? It isn't!!!

#4 No, you did not say "yes you can feed them live", you said that feeding live mice does not transmit parasites to snakes. And when someone stated that YES INDEED her snakes got parasites from live food, you pooh poohed it. Sorry, saying that snakes can't get parasites from live or fresh killed food was WRONG WRONG WRONG and all your fancy schmancy education does not change that fact.

#5 Some people wanted to see pics of your set up because...well we LIKE to look at pictures of snakes, and how others with large collections set up their snakerooms. Some people were trying to be FRIENDLY.

#6 I never said I was anybody. I am not the one here bragging on years and years of experiance and hundreds and hundreds of animals and thinking saying that will impress us poor schucks over here at cs.com. That was all you!
 
Not sure it is so black and white.

So you joined the site because your friend Jeffery told you that people here give out wrong advice and arrogant. So you joined to "shake things up" To prove people wrong? To start trouble?
 
worldsofwonder said:
Are you catching your own mice from your property? If so then yes they have parasites. If you get mice from a clean facility, and a repitable breeder then good luck getting any parasites. They would never sell any mice that might have parasites. The freezing process makes sense and all but you are losing some nutrients. Pre-killed moments before feeding is fine, no risk of bitting, or scratching. They freeze mice for our conveniance, not the snakes.
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I can see how you can say I said "feeding live will not give parasites". I never said it in those words but Ok. I guess I don't read what I type all that much. That is not what I meant. Mice breeding facilities are meant to be clean and disease free, but not all are like that. I did loose 2 snakes due to internal parasites, it was due to a bad mouse or the water dish was not changed when it should have been. My friends can only help me so much, in the end it was my bad.

Freezing does not garantee all parasites will die the eggs seem to survive, buy mice from a disease free facility. Over time a frozen mouse will loose nutrients.

Live food no, to much that can go wrong.

Pre-killed for those fussy eaters its the best way to go in my mind. As one pet owner to another.
 
beautifullywild77 said:
Not sure it is so black and white.

So you joined the site because your friend Jeffery told you that people here give out wrong advice and arrogant. So you joined to "shake things up" To prove people wrong? To start trouble?
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That is the last thing I want to do. How can I prove anyone wrong when I don't know them. Jeffery was never a member but if you google search such things as corn snakes you come across this forum. What he said to me was just what I posted, to hate me. I don't even know him that well. I joined because I can not comment on anything until I did so. DO you hear yourself, I just answered a question then all this happened. Forget my past forget what I know. Hi my name is Drexal and I love corn snakes.
 
worldsofwonder said:
I can see how you can say I said "feeding live will not give parasites". I never said it in those words but Ok. I guess I don't read what I type all that much. That is not what I meant. Mice breeding facilities are meant to be clean and disease free, but not all are like that. I did loose 2 snakes due to internal parasites, it was due to a bad mouse or the water dish was not changed when it should have been. My friends can only help me so much, in the end it was my bad.

Freezing does not garantee all parasites will die the eggs seem to survive, buy mice from a disease free facility. Over time a frozen mouse will loose nutrients.

Live food no, to much that can go wrong.

Pre-killed for those fussy eaters its the best way to go in my mind. As one pet owner to another.
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I am glad you backtracked your posts and saw where I was coming from.
Are you aware of the problem RodentPro is having now? RodentPro is one of the biggest and most reputable mouse producing facilities known, and...well check out the BOI when you get a chance.
 
worldsofwonder said:
That is the last thing I want to do. How can I prove anyone wrong when I don't know them. Jeffery was never a member but if you google search such things as corn snakes you come across this forum. What he said to me was just what I posted, to hate me. I don't even know him that well. I joined because I can not comment on anything until I did so. DO you hear yourself, I just answered a question then all this happened. Forget my past forget what I know. Hi my name is Drexal and I love corn snakes.
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Hi Drexal I am Beth, and I love corn snakes too!

And when you get a chance, I would love to see some pics of your scalekids. I have a few pics of mine in my member forum on here.
 
beautifullywild77 said:
Not sure it is so black and white.

So you joined the site because your friend Jeffery told you that people here give out wrong advice and arrogant. So you joined to "shake things up" To prove people wrong? To start trouble?
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Hmmm does make you think why join. Making friends doesn't seem to be the point.

There are people here with degrees who don't flaunt it in our faces.
 
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