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KJUN said:
Ricky/Michael:

Are you guys just trolls?

I'm just asking,
KJ
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I'm not sure what I posted that is constituted as trolling? Am I not allowed to make the counter point to Mike17 suggesting an e-collar?

To me trolling is joining a discussion only to pick sides, and not offer any ideas of their own *cough*.

I felt all of my posts were well stated, whether someone chooses to agree with my philosophy or not.
People get more grief to having admitted they cohabitate Corn Snakes, so I thought this was a perfectly fair and honest discussion to have seeing someone else brought up their suggested training methods. Clearly it will have zero affect, but I really don't feel out of line for posting what I did at all. We are all grown ups here, and should be able to have disagreements without name calling (AKA troll, Rickael, etc...).

But I can't beat a dead horse any more, so I'll leave it at that.

Gorgeous dog, and a great choice for a family pet. I hope all goes well with him/her, and may he/she live a long, healthy, and happy life. I love talking dogs, and was glad to finally find out what breed you chose. Dogs are the #1 creature in my book, and I am glad to hear that Drizzt got the dog that suits him best. I would love to see further information about his hunting progress, and training success (no sarcasm). They have all of these new toys and training games for hunting dogs now, so it should be a very fun journey.
 
Michael & Ricky, this is just a request. You may ignore it or tell me to shove it, but stop arguing with Drizz, Mike, and Kjun. They are good people. And would make much better friends than enemies. Why come to the forum, for common interests, if you don't want to make some friends, at a minimum some connections...as it is my understanding you want to get into the herp culture/business?
You are intelligent and articulate young men. Stop patrolling people's threads for the purpose of starting controversy.
This is Brent's thread. About HIS dog.
If you want to start a thread, go for it.
I start the occasional one, and hijack my own threads all over the place.
Just trying to make it easier for you two.

Excuse me, Brent. I'll go back to lurking. But that was just bursting to come out.
 
Ricky87 said:
Well, Drizzt, nice use of "Rickeal". I'm sure you won't get banned like was said would happen in an earlier post, but I guess that's just the way of the site.
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The way of this site, or at least my mod method, is to put out local fires. I don't make policy. If I make a threat to end a specific behavior in one thread, I can't expect it to carry on into perpetuity. Grow up, kiddies. If you want to be confrontational and judgemental, fight your own silly battles. I'm unpaid. I don't have time for this kindergarten crap.
 
Drizzt80 said:
I'd love to see the field work test results/certification of your wonderful, highly trained German Shepherd. Please. I would love to know how you're going to positively reinforce keeping your dog from sniffing out a porcupine. Please.
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Waiting . . . :shrugs:

Ricky87 said:
My dog's are perfectly behaved, and I know beyond any shadow of a doubt I know more about dogs and being a pack leader than you do. Sorry, but that's just reality!
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Prove it. :shrugs:

Ricky87 said:
Here's a little tid-bit for you by the way; my brother's dog trainer is now becoming certified to being the highest level of dog trainer in the world, and she asked him to apprentice to become a trainer because he has all the skills. Same with me!
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So, you've not only not trained hunting dogs (or police dogs, or seeing eye dogs, or . . . ), but you haven't even trained your own dogs!!! Speak long enough about things you don't know, and the truth will be revealed!!! :roflmao:

Thanks,
D80

PS. Since I didn't know Rickael was a word that we couldn't use around here, I will no longer use the work Rickael in reference to Michael, Ricky, or the combination Rickael since I now know about this rule. That would be the result of negative reinforcement since I know that if Deano gets upset, Deano gets upset, and I don't want Deano to get upset because I like Deano. Funny how that works.
 
vetusvates said:
This is Brent's thread. About HIS dog.
If you want to start a thread, go for it.
I start the occasional one, and hijack my own threads all over the place.
Just trying to make it easier for you two.

Excuse me, Brent. I'll go back to lurking. But that was just bursting to come out.
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Hey Eric. No need to lurk. Thanks for the words. I appreciate them!

D80
 
vetusvates said:
Why come to the forum, for common interests, if you don't want to make some friends, at a minimum some connections...as it is my understanding you want to get into the herp culture/business?
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Good points, Eric. Ever notice that most of the real arguments have nothing at all to do with cornsnakes OR snakes at all. LOL. I think we'd get along better if the General chit-chat forum was closed. Of course, what fun is that??


Off topic, but we need to get together for lunch some time now that I am in BR every day.
KJ
 
This was my first post. Completely reasonable, insightful, and I even wished him luck with the puppy!.
Ricky87 said:
I understand why some people think the e-collar is a great tool, especially for dogs that are relied upon to fulfill a certain task. It's a quick way to assert yourself onto a dog and imprint your dominance. If used correctly it can be affective, but it can also be dangerous and should not be at the top of the list of tools to use; Obviously, because it is electrocution and can cause physical damage, but also psychologically as well. For the everyday person who just wants a well behaved family dog, e-collars aren't the best tool. That is unless you live in an area with extreme traffic, because cars are more dangerous than e-shocks could ever be. It can really irritate a dog, though, and even if you are the pack leader in it's eyes, your child or your neighbor might not be and that dog might snap at them. It's best to be as hands-on as possible and positive reinforcement helps both the person and the dog learn as well as curbs most aggression issues.

You seem to be very excited about your new Viszla and I'm very happy for you!. Dog's are the best things in the whole world, even better than people, and best of luck with the training!. From trainer to trainer I advise string cheese; Dogs love it and you don't have to use much either. I can get about 30 paws, 10 roll-overs, and 6 dances for a piece half the size if a blueberry!. Also, "Dog Whisperer" is a must. Cesar Millan is a genius and I've seen a few Viszla's on the show already!. Good luck, and congrats on the new puppy!!!.
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This same post was then followed by this.....
Drizzt80 said:
You display your ignorance of the tool. It's not electrocution. Look it up.

You do not understand the pack mentality, in the least. The pack leader is obeyed. Period. If not, they are run out of the pack. Look it up.

Lucky for my dog, he will not be trained to do any of these "parlor tricks" regardless of whether he learns to hunt or not. For all this talk of positive reinforcement and peace and harmony with the dog, it's pretty ridiculous seeing a dog prance and dance around, especially when compared to a well trained hunting dog retrieving game for the LOVE of the job. Or watching sled dogs race and haul for the LOVE of the job. OR watching a seeing eye dog lead its master for the LOVE of the job. :shrugs:

D80
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Drizzt80 said:
Rickael. I'd love to see the field work test results/certification of your wonderful, highly trained German Shepherd. Please. I would love to know how you're going to positively reinforce keeping your dog from sniffing out a porcupine. Please.

....Especially considering their years of training expertise and knowledge compared to your dog being able to dance for string cheese. :roflmao:
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KJUN said:
Ricky/Michael:

Are you guys just trolls?

I'm just asking,
KJ
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KJUN said:
So why not get a job training dogs if you are so good at it? Sounds like a good way to earn a pay check.
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vetusvates said:
Michael & Ricky, this is just a request. You may ignore it or tell me to shove it, but stop arguing with Drizz, Mike, and Kjun. They are good people.....Stop patrolling people's threads for the purpose of starting controversy.
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Eric, I respect you a ton, but just read my first post and tell me what's wrong about it!. I love this site very much, and many, many people on here are so helpful and kind including you. This is just another thread gone sour due to disagreement!. I bring the milk, they bring the baking soda!. I just wish it was the fun threads that got all the hits!.

As for KJUN's earn a paycheck spiel, that kind of ignorance bleeds through with every word. Try real living KJUN - it would crush you!.
 
Getting back on topic........

Congratulations Brent! They are beautiful looking dogs and sound like they have a ton of personality, I'm sure the pup will become an excellent addition to the family!

I look forward to seeing updates and lots more photos when he/she arrives :)
 
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Susielea said:
Getting back on topic........

Congratulations Brent! They are beautiful looking dogs and sound like they have a ton of personalty, I'm sure the pup will become an excellent addition to the family!

I look forward to seeing updates and lots more photos when he/she arrives :)
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Thanks Suzy! I look forward to providing more updates and photos! (It'll be a he. ;) )

D80
 
Ricky87 said:
As for KJUN's earn a paycheck spiel, that kind of ignorance bleeds through with every word. Try real living KJUN - it would crush you!.
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I'm sorry if I think a self-proclaimed dog training GURU should work instead of getting a check for no work. If you are that good, why not work? You (or was it your brother - I don't care which any more) basically said you are the best here...and the best of the best of the best. (Sounds like a scene from MIB, doesn't it?) Isn't that a job a dog training guru (my word for your self-description) could do? You are the one that took offense when I used the term lazy to describe someone that COULD work (in a previous post), but would rather keep getting more help from Uncle Obama. Prove the term inappropriate in your case. Please. I'm sorry if I am too weak minded to understand how someone who is the best dog trainer and who can type all day and night on the internet couldn't find SOME job in these united states. I'm dumb like that, I guess.

Real living? My working to pay for others to not have to work - ones who claim they are uber-qualified to do some jobs at that - IS real living. Try it yourself. Real living is NOT choosing to avoid jobs you CAN do because you can make more for not working or because you consider other things "more important." I wish I didn't have to work, too. I have to, though, because I don't have another option. Not that I want anything I don't earn, though.
 
The best part about this WHOLE thread is that I don't know if I started the OT discussion with the tail nipping comments, if Mike did with the training aids comment, or if everything just has to go crazy whenever my son's genitalia are mentioned. Either way, it's funny!
 
Ricky87 said:
This was my first post. Completely reasonable, insightful, and I even wished him luck with the puppy!.

This same post was then followed by this.....

This is just another thread gone sour due to disagreement!. I bring the milk, they bring the baking soda!. I just wish it was the fun threads that got all the hits!.
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Boo hoo. :cry: I made a post celebrating a new addition to my family and a friend of mine recommends an important training aid for my purposes and you and your brother decide to start espousing your """knowledge""" on a(nother) topic that you supposedly know everything about, but in reality know very little. Boo hoo.

I'm still waiting. Teach me. Prove to me. You haven't, can't, and won't. If you've forgotten, start here:
Drizzt80 said:
I'd love to see the field work test results/certification of your wonderful, highly trained German Shepherd. Please. I would love to know how you're going to positively reinforce keeping your dog from sniffing out a porcupine. Please.
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D80
 
Drizzt80 said:
Boo hoo. :cry: I made a post celebrating a new addition to my family and a friend of mine recommends an important training aid for my purposes and you and your brother decide to start espousing your """knowledge""" on a(nother) topic that you supposedly know everything about, but in reality know very little. Boo hoo.

I'm still waiting. Teach me. Prove to me. You haven't, can't, and won't. If you've forgotten, start here:


D80
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It was advice!. Dog training is something very near and dear to my heart, due to the over-euthanization crisis of dogs in America. If more people implemented proper techniques, than these dogs could be loved and not killed. As for making a dog not bother a Porcupine; it's simple, but you have to be consistent.

What I do with my dog's is whenever they are about to get into something they shouldn't be getting into I say "leave it" and when they look at me I praise them with "Good boy/girl", "Excellent Job", etc., and then when they come I offer a reward. Not much, just a pinch of string cheese, but the amount doesn't matter. Dogs don't feel slighted if you praise them well. They will make mistakes, but just stick with it and it will work. Way's to incite their curiosity is to place something tastey on a plate right on the floor. When they go near it say leave it; if they leave it then immediately reward with praise and cheese, if not then remove the plate and start again. Eventually they will get it to the point where just praise will suffice. One thing you don't want to do is have them associate Porcupine with a bad experience, because that will create fear, and anxiety, and ultimately may make the dog snap. Just encourage the good responses, and restart the process when they fail. They will catch on and won't need any sort of physical touch to respond in due time. I've only had Rajon for a year to the day, yet right when I say "leave it" now he rushes right towards me. Then I say "good boy" and rub his belly. That earns both love and respect, and makes him beyond eager to learn more. If you seriously have any problems with dogs, odds are I've seen it and I would be more than glad to help out. That's not being arrogant, I've just learned how to make it work with positive reinforcement. Ideally the breeder you go through will have already worked on the basics with your puppy, but problems may show up down the road, and building a loving bond with the dog is the best tool you have!. Just be consistent and you will have a perfect dog in no time!.
 
I wouldn't call lifting a dog's front feet off of the ground with a choke collar "positive." That sure looks like NEGATIVE re-enforcement to me. Wouldn't you call forcing them into the submissive role negative? That certainly isn't positive.

The pit wasn't hurt, but that certainly is choking...and likely is more biologically stressful (if not "psychological") than a little shock.


Admit it, brent, you made those videos up. You 'shopped them, hacked those sites, and uploaded them just to create fake news to support your cruel ideas. Those can't be true, so we can all just ignore them. As Homer says, facts are meaningless since they can be used to prove anything that is even remotely true. ;)
 
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