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Conflict is advantages

You might be interested in this definition of a "troll". Although the most interesting aspect is the person who wrote the guidelines:

"A "troll" is a person who delights in creating havoc on the forums. S/he tries to start arguments and upset people.
A classic troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, is argumentative with a "my way or the highway" attitude, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, and/or ignoring warnings from forum moderators. A troll is also a person who posts outrageous messages to bait people into answering.

Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it ('don't feed the trolls'), or to report a message to a moderator. Anyone fitting this description will receive no warning, but will be immediately removed from the forum. Members that visit only to participate in conflict threads may be designated as trolls and have their account temporarily or permanently suspended."

http://exoticrescueforum.forumotion.com/forum-rules-news-f1/definition-of-a-troll-t214.htm
 
Sinsational said:
…This thread was started in an attempt to bait me...
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Look “Sinsational” I’m going to try real hard not have you go crying to any moderator that I offended you. This thread was not to bait you at all. If you thought this thread was about you are living in your own vanity.
This topic is my attempt to see if there is consensus in the theory that even though we all are different and may not always see eye to eye we can recognize and accept diversity as an advantage rather than a potential threat. It is also to explore different opinions and see from peoples answers who I can regard as like minded and friends.

Let’s discuss your provocation and me. By calling anyone a troll on open forum for no apparent reason is irresponsible and name calling. Then to cry victim when the tables are turned only exposes your immaturity. If you had approached me privately as I suggested maybe my low opinion and perception of you would have been different but alas. Here you are again attempting to joust me into a response so you can scream victim.
Try understanding that by calling other people names you are being belligerent and should expect and accept retaliation. I think you rely on your friends to come to your defense rather than have the backbone to be counted as having an original opinion.
Know before saying anything more to you about you that could be regarded as abrasive by your friends let me avoid your baited honey trap this time.
I suggest you go back to your knitting circle and leave me alone. If you wish to approach me you do so in a civil manner via my PM or go your way.
 
Well Mr Inc. I don't have any problem calling you a troll. Weather we use your definition or anyone else's. You have been insulting and argumentative to everyone you have met on this forum. You can say what you like but your posts are obviously worded to provoke arguments and "conflict". I can't see that you have brought anything positive to this forum.
 
wade said:
Well Mr Inc. I don't have any problem calling you a troll. Weather we use your definition or anyone else's. You have been insulting and argumentative to everyone you have met on this forum. You can say what you like but your posts are obviously worded to provoke arguments and "conflict". I can't see that you have brought anything positive to this forum.
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I see a lot of this exact behavior on this forum coming from others, wade. Do you think anyone that posts inflammatory posts, antagonises others, or acts superior and "brazen" deserves a perma-ban?

Here's the thing...I never heard of Snakes Inc. before this thread. When I opened this thread I saw what I percieved to be a polite and well-written question, though English was obviously not the first language. That was a completely unbiased opinion of the very first post because I know NOTHING of SI's interactions on the forum.

But the very first response to his question was snide, arrogant, condescending, rude, and antagonistic. Now I didn't report it because I have come to realize that reporting posts does very little good. But the truth of the matter is, I haven't seen anything from SI that could be considered "trolling" in this thread, until AFTER you and several others brought antagonistic comments in to this thread.

I believe the point is exactly that. What YOU think is trolling was, to me(an unboased observer) a legitimate question. What you consider an "answer" to that question was undoubtedly antagonistic.

So...let's really try to figure out where the blame lies. I know where YOU think it lies, because you, yourself, are little more than a troll without the guts to admit it. But it was really nice to see how some other unbiased people saw this topic...
 
tyflier said:
I see a lot of this exact behavior on this forum coming from others, wade. Do you think anyone that posts inflammatory posts, antagonises others, or acts superior and "brazen" deserves a perma-ban?

Don't put words in my mouth Chris, I never said that or implied it in any way

Here's the thing...I never heard of Snakes Inc. before this thread. When I opened this thread I saw what I percieved to be a polite and well-written question, though English was obviously not the first language. That was a completely unbiased opinion of the very first post because I know NOTHING of SI's interactions on the forum.

This was the third thread I had encountered him on. This thread was an obvious response to having been called a troll on another thread.

But the very first response to his question was snide, arrogant, condescending, rude, and antagonistic. Now I didn't report it because I have come to realize that reporting posts does very little good. But the truth of the matter is, I haven't seen anything from SI that could be considered "trolling" in this thread, until AFTER you and several others brought antagonistic comments in to this thread.

I believe the point is exactly that. What YOU think is trolling was, to me(an unboased observer) a legitimate question. What you consider an "answer" to that question was undoubtedly antagonistic.

So...let's really try to figure out where the blame lies. I know where YOU think it lies, because you, yourself, are little more than a troll without the guts to admit it. But it was really nice to see how some other unbiased people saw this topic...
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You use the word unbiased in a very broad sense Chris. Do you suppose calling me a gutless troll would be name calling? Thanks for chiming in with your opinion.
 
wade said:
Chris, I'll leave you and this thread. Please don't follow me around.
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I don't follow you around, wade. If I were following you around, I would be popping my head into every thread you participated in to do nothing more than question your intelligence, and bait you into an argument...just like you do to me. I've got more important things to do...

Don't put words in my mouth Chris, I never said that or implied it in any way
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Interesting perspective. I asked you a question about what you thought should happen. I didn't imply anything, nor did I "put words in your mouth". I merely asked if you thought things should be handled a certain way. Yes or no would suffice, but a brief explanation of what your actual opinion was would have been appreciated.

This was the third thread I had encountered him on. This thread was an obvious response to having been called a troll on another thread.
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And so that gives you the right to be beligerant when his original question was asked in a very polite and harmless manner? I don't see how, but then again, I am not remotely surprised.

You have a real knack for assuming other people's intentions, acting out aggressively based on those assumptions, and feigning innocence when you are called out for your behavior.

Kind of like calling people a jerk or other such name repeatedly, even after being warned by the owner of the forum, and than being upset when you get banned...

You use the word unbiased in a very broad sense Chris. Do you suppose calling me a gutless troll would be name calling? Thanks for chiming in with your opinion.
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Unbiased...as in no prior observation by which current observation can be clouded. When my use of the word is directly related to the original post, and is a VERY accurate description, I fail to see how it is "broad based". But you're welcome to your opinion.

As for calling you a troll, it is quite evident that the name "troll" is acceptable, otherwise you and several others would have been banned for calling SI a troll in this very topic. What's good for the goose, and all that...

I just call it like I see it, and the majority of your posts are little more than bait and opportunistic trolling through antagonism. If my perception is wrong, forgive me. However, your posts speak volumes of your personality, and I find your POSTS to be incredibly antagonistic and coneded.

I admit that I am an arrogant bastard. But I do not go out of my way to insult and belittle everyone I deem beneath me. This is your mtis operandi and you do it at every opportunity. I have the guts to admit my arrogance and disdain for condescension. You've yet to admit to any wrong doing when clearly you are not innocent in any way on this forum.

Like I said...your posts speak for themselves.

Now...if you read this reply very carefully, you will notice that there is no aggression, no baiting, and no antagonising. It is merely my opinion being expressed in a very calm and rational manner. Don't get angry and confused and turn it into something it isn't...
 
wade said:
Well Mr Inc. I don't have any problem calling you a troll. Weather we use your definition or anyone else's. You have been insulting and argumentative to everyone you have met on this forum. You can say what you like but your posts are obviously worded to provoke arguments and "conflict". I can't see that you have brought anything positive to this forum.
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Hello Mr. Pot, I'm Wade Kettle....
 
wade said:
Chris, I'll leave you and this thread. Please don't follow me around.
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Wade please excuses my impoliteness in not feeding your trolling habit today. If you have a reasonable question without an underlining arrogant and provocative insult attached I will spare you a little time to educate you.

If you wish to challenge me to some sort of duel on the main street at noon. Create a thread invite me and inform the Moderator team of your plan.
Other than that I wish you well as I will simply ignore any inferior organisms if at all possible. Go your way know

Tyflier due to your positive influence I see that the troll in question creates a serious disturbance in the force. LoL
 
wade said:
I can't see that you have brought anything positive to this forum.
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I have to disagree on a number of levels with a few things you have said in this thread......
I would like to add that Shaun could bring so much to this forum...
Not only with the amount of actual knowledge he has concerning herps and care for them, but also some of his high profile snake buddies.....
Before you scare off a potentially excellent new member, think how poor this forum will be if it's all just chit chat, dyk and flirting threads and newbs asking about snake poop and shed questions.....
Like I pointed out earlier... Shaun and I have had great heated discussions, and yet I have greater respect for him now than then.....
He's a good guy..
 
snakewispera snr said:
... Shaun and I have had great heated discussions, and yet I have greater respect for him now than then.....
He's a good guy..
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Thank you Mike. I was recovering from a nasty encounter some time ago when I realized that even bad choices always bring experience.
If we try let everyone and everything around us teach us we will always walk away with something. Its like winning a prize even when you lose.
But yeah its fun to see the odd troll put a little "bite" in our party!:dgrin:
 
Guys and gals thank you most kindly for your participation on this thread.

My question debate was not to upset or cause any divisions but to encourage free opinions.
We occasionally react to situations we perceived distasteful but seldom consider the future in our action. I believe without a doubt that diversity is a conflict which is the bases of learning.

The key to any learning is tolerance.
I apologies for the individual whose mission it was to disrupted the topic at every opportunity.
snakewispera snr, bitsy, tyflier, wilomn, smallfry, Nanci, Susan, dionythicus, susang, Lucille, danielle, luckycharm318, Emily1188, Shiari, Rich Z

Thank you for your contributions.

Everything in moderation, including moderation!
 
WOW!!!! They really got into it this time... I love intellectual arguements... But dont like seeing my friends banned... I always loved the way Chris thinks, always reminded me of me in ways... But I love Wade too for other reasons.. His unique weird sense of humor... I would hate to loose these two as members of this forum.. :(

Shaun.... I would love to have heated discussions with you sometime... I agree... its a nice learning experience and I agree, in all things in life, a lesson can be taken from.. Even in the smallest of the daily experiences.. So much can be learned in so many ways.. Knowledge is infinite...!!
 
OK...is it Shaun (what at least 2 members think your name is) or Mac (the name you signed in your PM to Nanci)?
 
Susan said:
OK...is it Shaun (what at least 2 members think your name is) or Mac (the name you signed in your PM to Nanci)?
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Susan its Snakes Inc. S.I, Shaun, Shaun Mac, Shaun Ross, MacAdder, Mac. My wife calls my Shweedie
No worries pick the one you like except the last one please as its a little reserved.
No biggy. :cheers:
 
Hey, just a quick question here.

When you wrote this thread, did you mean to put "advantageous" instead of "advantages"?

Because if you did, it could radically change the perception of your point of view.

It bugged me for days but I couldn't figure out what about that word didn't flow right and then, last night, it hit me, maybe you used a similar sounding word but one of an entirely different meaning than that which you intended.
 
I've stayed out of this thread because it descending into petty bickering between two people, but I was wondering the same thing. Did the OP mean Conflict is advantageous or Conflict has it's advantages?
 
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