Cornsnake morph guide, 2009

[Kali]

Mine arrived yesterday
It's great !! Still have a lot to learn, and this book is perfect for that !! I love it !!

 

[ivenner]

Still waiting for mine (plus Genetics for Herpers) ... but it does have to make its way across the pond first

It took my copies less than a week to get to the UK, which was quicker than I thought it would be. The problem was I had to wait until after work before I could start reading them.

cheers

ian

 

[mike17l]

I got the 07 guide a few years ago, then I found out what Chuck thought about the owner of this site and all of its members, including myself and anyone who posts here. Needless to say, I have no desire to give him any of my hard earned money for something that can be found out with a few simple keyboard strokes and mouse clicks. Hopefully he has at the very least fixed the mistakes found in his earlier version, I would hate for people to receive gross misinformation about genetics.

 

[kathylove]

I consider myself a pretty good friend of Chuck. And I am a member here. He had a difference of opinion with Rich, but I am not aware of any problems with most of the members here.

 

[onelifetolive45]

I got mine two days after they became available. Great tool as always.

 

[El Jefe]

I consider myself a pretty good friend of Chuck. And I am a member here. He had a difference of opinion with Rich, but I am not aware of any problems with most of the members here.

I'd have to second that. Chuck may have had a disagreement with Rich but as far as I know he doesn't hold a grudge towards other people just because they are members of this site. :shrugs:

 

[Pasodama]

I'd have to second that. Chuck may have had a disagreement with Rich but as far as I know he doesn't hold a grudge towards other people just because they are members of this site. :shrugs:

I will have to "third" that.
Am an active member/contributor here (at cs.com).
Chuck holds no animosity, toward me, and we get along just fine.

I believe that Chuck judges each person, for themselves, and not by that person's association with, or a membership at, a site that belongs to someone he has, or has had, a disagreement with.

 

[Drizzt80]

as far as I know he doesn't hold a grudge towards other people

I would have to whole-heartedly disagree with that part of your statement. May have nothing to do with being a member here, but it's definitely part of the equation. :shrugs:

D80

 

[SODERBERGD]

Chuck is a great guy . . .

I'm with the majority of you out there. Chuck and Connie are very knowledgable about snakes (and genetics) and good friends of mine. Chuck's books are very important in our hobby, and my customers constantly comment on how valuable they find his writings. Genetics is a second language to many of us, and I personally refer to it often. I have not only learned much from it, but have referenced it more than once in my next book (work-in-progress). I highly recommend purchasing his cornsnake morph guides, and will continue to do so myself. Keep up the good work, Serp.

Don

 

[jazzgeek]

I got the 07 guide a few years ago, then I found out what Chuck thought about the owner of this site and all of its members, including myself and anyone who posts here.

I post here, as well as Kathy. While I don't agree with him on everything, and can't speak for Kathy, I'm positive that Chuck doesn't dislike either of us.

Hopefully he has at the very least fixed the mistakes found in his earlier version, I would hate for people to receive gross misinformation about genetics.

I would hate for people to receive a bad impression about someone with unsubstantiated and/or undocumented claims.

What are/were the mistakes in his earlier version?

I would have to whole-heartedly disagree with that part of your statement. May have nothing to do with being a member here, but it's definitely part of the equation. :shrugs:

D80

Not to sound like Lloyd Bentsen here, and just as I can't speak for Kathy, I also can't speak for Chuck. But I know Chuck. I consider Chuck a friend.

And based on my experience with him, he doesn't hold a grudge - not even with the people he dislikes with the passion of a thousand burning suns. He'd probably consider it a waste of energy.

I would, and do. Apathy is often times a good thing, IMHO.


Dale

 

[Nanci]

(Hoping Don is hurrying with the new book! I am currently re-reading the sections in the old book on breeding and incubating, now that I actually have snakes old enough to breed!)

 

[LBoz]

^ Now I want to buy the book just to see what all the fuss is about! Thanks, KJ.

 

[Drizzt80]

Not to sound like Lloyd Bentsen here,

You assume I'm comparing myself to Chuck? Not in the least.

And based on my experience with him, he doesn't hold a grudge - not even with the people he dislikes with the passion of a thousand burning suns. He'd probably consider it a waste of energy.

Well considering the energy I wasted in an attempt to mend whatever fence I broke, I find it hard to believe that his childish behavior isn't holding a grudge. So be it. That's fine, it's been water under the bridge now as far as I'm concerned, but I did feel the need to lend a voice to Mike's concerns.

D80

 

[jazzgeek]

You assume I'm comparing myself to Chuck? Not in the least.

The metaphor was used strictly as prelude to the oratorical "I know Chuck. I consider Chuck a friend." Bentsen reference. Any comparison was neither intended nor implied. I assumed nothing.

Well considering the energy I wasted in an attempt to mend whatever fence I broke, I find it hard to believe that his childish behavior isn't holding a grudge. So be it. That's fine, it's been water under the bridge now as far as I'm concerned, but I did feel the need to lend a voice to Mike's concerns.

Doesn't sound like "water under the bridge" to me when I read a contention of "childish behavior". Please define what, in your opinion the "childish behavior" was.

I'm weird that way. Words mean things to me.

And if your intention was to "lend a voice to Mike's concerns", perhaps you could help him - and by logical extension, all of us - out with the "gross misinformation about genetics" part. Where were the mistakes? :shrugs:


Dale

 

[Drizzt80]

The metaphor was used strictly as prelude to the oratorical "I know Chuck. I consider Chuck a friend."

Which taken to completion would end with "You sir are no Chuck." Which I never attempted to compare myself to. :shrugs:

Doesn't sound like "water under the bridge" to me when I read a contention of "childish behavior". Please define what, in your opinion the "childish behavior" was.

In my world, adults discuss differences, children hold grudges and pout. Upon finding out (third hand mind you) that there was apparently a problem with my behavior several years ago, I made numerous attempts to enter a dialogue with him regarding what fences needed to be mended. I was met with what you call apathy and I call childish silence and behind the scenes mockery. And yes, as far as I'm concerned it's water under the bridge at this point. You asked for clarification.

And if your intention was to "lend a voice to Mike's concerns", perhaps you could help him - and by logical extension, all of us - out with the "gross misinformation about genetics" part. Where were the mistakes?

I'll leave that to others more inclined to discuss genetic modes of inheritence.

D80

 

[kathylove]

I am sorry to hear of the rift between you. I was unaware, or if aware "way back then", I have forgotten about any problems between you. It is a shame, because I really have enjoyed the stimulating discussions between Chuck and Connie and myself, and know that many others here would enjoy them as well.

 

[Drizzt80]

I am sorry to hear of the rift between you. I was unaware, or if aware "way back then", I have forgotten about any problems between you. It is a shame, because I really have enjoyed the stimulating discussions between Chuck and Connie and myself, and know that many others here would enjoy them as well.

Kathy, I don't disagree with you in the least, nor do I have any negative attitudes/feelings towards anyone standing up for a close friend. My personal experience obviously affects my views of a situation. Nothing more or less.

I too heartily enjoyed the discussions and debates they brought to this site. I too miss that greatly. That is the reason I made the attempt to mend fences and was solidly and unequivocally rebuffed. :shrugs: It is what it is.

D80

 

[wade]

Brent, you and Mike have cast some serious dispersions on a book that many people quote as a reference. If it has inaccuracies in it or fundamental flaws, I would really like to hear about that. I’m not part of the I love Chuck, I hate Chuck clicks, but I think it only fair to ask for something more specific if you guys are going to throw Chuck under the bus.

 

[Drizzt80]

Brent, you and Mike have cast some serious dispersions on a book that many people quote as a reference.

No, I didn't. My dispersions were on the author of the book based on Jeff's comment which addressed Mike's words.

D80

 

[Russell]

In my world, adults discuss differences, children hold grudges and pout. Upon finding out (third hand mind you) that there was apparently a problem with my behavior several years ago, I made numerous attempts to enter a dialogue with him regarding what fences needed to be mended. I was met with what you call apathy and I call childish silence and behind the scenes mockery. And yes, as far as I'm concerned it's water under the bridge at this point. You asked for clarification.

I'll leave that to others more inclined to discuss genetic modes of inheritence.

D80

Brent,
oh really? are you ready to talk to me again then? You are trying to hold Chuck to a high standard, yet you don't live it yourself! I have also tried hard to mend the fence between you and I and you won't allow it and totally ignore me just the same! I find your argument here to be totally ironic!

Time has gone by, and instead of letting dust settle and moving on, here are two individuals trying HARD to stir up the past again. Move on to both of you! The scuffle was over very long ago. Why can't you let it drop? And stop pouting cause someone has decided they can't cross that bridge just yet? Just move on.

And it's a total lie that Chuck hates all people who post here. And in no form does he or Connie spend all their time hating this site or the admin of this site. People are bound to have rifts now and then. Good grief, how come we can get in battles within the family and forgive and forget. Why can't we carry that over to our relationships with people OUTSIDE the immediate family and forgive and forget? No wonder the divorce rate is so high in this country! Too many people can't get along. When the fact is you'll NEVER agree on everything. But that doesn't mean you should put up walls! And if a wall is there, well by golly, take the upper road and move on!

So this is my plee to all concerned, stop the bashing, this s pathetic that old scabs are being reopened! Chuck and Connie are not the villians a few are trying to make them out to be. Nor are they perfect angels as no one is!

Brent I'm sorry your still ignoring me, but it doesn't mean my life is over. I still have friends. And even though you might or might not hate me, whatever, I still consider you a highly respected corn snake breeder. I have animals of yours and never fail to tout you as a great breeder. But if your going to stand here and try to say that oh, this person is being mean and won't forgive and forget, well here's a big finger pointing right at you saying you are no better! But I have long forgiven such a mess and am willing and hopeful that you would too. We might not see eye to eye but I'd rather have you as a friend. My wall is down, and has been down. Why don't you take down yours?