CS.com Primary!

[Carinata]

The election is heating up this year, and it look's like it's going all the way to Tampa. I want to get a feel for what this community is thinking about next year!

 

[Nanci]

ABO !!!

 

[Camby]

ABO !!!

I second that motion, can we move it to a vote?

dc

 

[azhketh]

none of the above!

 

[Nitelion94]

Rick Santorum!

 

[ZoologyGirl]

I'd say I don't really know enough about any of them to make a good decision, but none-of-the-above sounds good to me at this point. I would have to look more into Paul, but I presume he *might* be someone I could vote for. I'm burnt out on politics really.

 

[Nova_C]

The only problem with Ron Paul is that the dude is loco. Libertarianism sounds great superficially, but the ideology is completely untenable in reality.

I'm hoping for the sake of Not America that Obama wins a second term.

 

[Shiari]

Ron Paul's close ties to white supremacists, and his desire to repeal laws that prevent discrimination based on race, gender, religion, etc are appalling to me. His naivete is also astounding. He honestly thinks that if we get rid of laws to cut back on pollution by corporations that they'll continue to be good about that? In the same country where we once polluted rivers so badly they caught on fire?

 

[Forcedexile]

mind you i'm barely old enough to vote but from everything I've read, heard, and seen about Ron Paul, I've never heard of him having ties to white supremacists or wanting to repeal laws that prevent hate crimes. again it may just be that i've not read or heard the same things as you but still I would think things like that would come up in the current news if they were valid claims.

 

[Shiari]

I have to leave for work now, but when I get back I will give you link after link after link after link.

 

[El Jefe]

What election? Are you saying my individual vote counts like when I vote for things on TV?

 

[Forcedexile]

if only lol.

 

[Michael823]

Of course I'm open to the idea that someone would be better suited as the president than the one we have, but I see no other running candidates that would change my vote as it stands.

This is no disrespect towards republican voters, but I can't even begin to think about voting for Gingrich, Santorum, Romney or Ron Paul. Of all of the hate being sent Barack Obama's way, it's an equal testament to the lack of true leaders running against him. When I stack Obama up to those guys, I just trust this guy more. That's not to say that I wouldn't ever vote republican, but until the republicans running can get past their socially flawed ideas of the past, and religious infringement, I will absolutely not be on board.

I question the bigger picture of our Govt's actions, but as far as people go, I feel comfortable with Barack Obama (as a human being). The whole system exists for wealth and power, so I guess my expectation of our president is based on how much say I feel they really have, and for what our president was given (and not), I think he's done some considerably impressive things (in the grand scheme of things). I hope beyond hope that someone more capable should come along, but if these are the only options available, than I'm certainly voting Obama.

 

[Pasodama]

One big shame is that, over the last "few" elections, we haven't really had anybody good to vote for. That leaves us having to vote for the "lesser evil".
Where are all the good men/women that someone could be proud of, and have no doubt about, voting in?<Rhetorical>

 

[Shiari]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2...-paul-personally-defended-racist-newsletters/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul#Constitutional_rights - I particularly like the stance that education is not a "right", which means that poor people don't deserve to get an education that would allow them to better themselves.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/291000/20120201/anonymous-ron-paul-neo-nazi-bnp-a3p.htm

And for all his claims of not wanting gov't ruling our lives, he is adamantly against women being able to choose what to do with their own bodies, basically turning us into broodmares. At least he's not quite as horrible as Santorum who called pregnancies resulting from rape "gifts from God." And not as sleazy as Newt the serial-adulterer running on a "family values" platform.

 

[tsst]

Obama=Greece on a monumental global killing scale. How can anyone outside of North Korea, the middle east, the former Soviet block countries, or Cuba really want Greece times 1 million? Oops forgot to include the US entitlment crowd in the last sentence. :headbang:

 

[Nova_C]

Obama=Greece on a monumental global killing scale. How can anyone outside of North Korea, the middle east, the former Soviet block countries, or Cuba really want Greece times 1 million? Oops forgot to include the US entitlment crowd in the last sentence. :headbang:

Tsst, I'm trying to not assume anything about your post, so can I ask for a clarification? Are you claiming that everyone who supports Obama believes they are entitled to a free ride?

Or can you define what you meant by 'entitlment(sic) crowd'?

 

[Michael823]

Obama=Greece on a monumental global killing scale. How can anyone outside of North Korea, the middle east, the former Soviet block countries, or Cuba really want Greece times 1 million? Oops forgot to include the US entitlment crowd in the last sentence. :headbang:

But this is the biggest problem right here... "the US entitlement crowd". There's absolutely no judgment that anyone can pass on someone who votes for Obama. I'm sure there's a laundry list of negative things that can be posted about Obama himself, but I really won't bother my time with negative, UN-productive blame games. I also know that there's nothing positive I could post about Obama that would change anyone's opinion on him, and I also care less to waste my energy with that as well.

But rather than the typical negative thinking, and the murder of creative thinking, I challenge someone to really say that, matched up against the rest of these candidates running, it's against all better judgment to re-elect our current president... They had Newt Gingrich on CNN the other day, and they were trying to get Newt to discuss what the US should be doing in Syria. All he talked about was how poor of a job that Obama has done, and that he's way late in responding with help. Now I'm sure that's great motivation for the people who also dislike Obama, but what exactly did he provide for ideas, and what will that pan out as in the end?... Nada/Nothing/Zilch!!!

So if people without ideas are just running on the premise of what Obama is failing at, then what ideas of their own actually makes them worth voting for? Couple the lack of substance with the out of date social beliefs of the republicans running against him, and I think there can really only be indifference at the idea of voting for Obama (or anyone else).

And this isn't a democrat/republican thing, because that's really only the marketing equivalent of Pepsi/Coke. The fact is that there just isn't anyone running against Obama that is exempt from equal criticism (and more). As far as republicans that I thought would have made better candidates, I liked Huntsman, and from what little I've seen of Chris Christie, I liked him as well. So if the republican voters decided that these candidates running are the best they have, then I think it's really them putting Obama into re-election.

 

[tsst]

Tsst, I'm trying to not assume anything about your post, so can I ask for a clarification? Are you claiming that everyone who supports Obama believes they are entitled to a free ride?

Or can you define what you meant by 'entitlment(sic) crowd'?

Not at all. I am claiming those that want more entitlements at any cost will support BHO because that is what he stands for.

44% of Americans now get some form of welfare(gov assist). We already cannot pay for what is given now. Borrowing $.40 of every dollar to pay for entitlements is insane. The gov makes NO money. They cannot give to someone who has not earned it without first forcibly taking from someone who has earned it.

The massive load of socialist programs is killing Europe as we type. Most nations over there are trying to cut back. Greece is where they are from giving sooo much to one group while taking from another. It has reached the point where the givers can no longer afford the takers. They are rioting because they don’t want cuts to the gov freebees.

Do we really need to reach that point in this country before we cut back?! Actually IMHO we are already there. Without the 40% borrowing we would be Greece. Except when it crashes here it takes everyone down. Including the 400% trade surplus Canada enjoys right now. I can't imagine you as a Canadian would want to see an American economy collapse that would greatly negatively impact generations of Canadians also?!

An example ... "if I help him he will help me" "I don't have to pay my mortgage" "I don't have to put gas in my car"

 

[starsevol]

But this is the biggest problem right here... "the US entitlement crowd". There's absolutely no judgment that anyone can pass on someone who votes for Obama. I'm sure there's a laundry list of negative things that can be posted about Obama himself, but I really won't bother my time with negative, UN-productive blame games. I also know that there's nothing positive I could post about Obama that would change anyone's opinion on him, and I also care less to waste my energy with that as well.

But rather than the typical negative thinking, and the murder of creative thinking, I challenge someone to really say that, matched up against the rest of these candidates running, it's against all better judgment to re-elect our current president... They had Newt Gingrich on CNN the other day, and they were trying to get Newt to discuss what the US should be doing in Syria. All he talked about was how poor of a job that Obama has done, and that he's way late in responding with help. Now I'm sure that's great motivation for the people who also dislike Obama, but what exactly did he provide for ideas, and what will that pan out as in the end?... Nada/Nothing/Zilch!!!

So if people without ideas are just running on the premise of what Obama is failing at, then what ideas of their own actually makes them worth voting for? Couple the lack of substance with the out of date social beliefs of the republicans running against him, and I think there can really only be indifference at the idea of voting for Obama (or anyone else).

And this isn't a democrat/republican thing, because that's really only the marketing equivalent of Pepsi/Coke. The fact is that there just isn't anyone running against Obama that is exempt from equal criticism (and more). As far as republicans that I thought would have made better candidates, I liked Huntsman, and from what little I've seen of Chris Christie, I liked him as well. So if the republican voters decided that these candidates running are the best they have, then I think it's really them putting Obama into re-election.

Personally, I am not "in love" with anyone running against Obama. But Obama has had his shot and things are now worse instead of better. Unemployment was 7.8% when he came in, it is now 8.3%. When he came into office we were fighting 2 wars, now we are fighting 3. Gas was $1.81 a gallon when he came in, it is now $3.69 a gallon. And when he came into office this country was 10 trillion dollars in debt. It is now over 15 trillion dollars in debt and climbing.
As much as I don't like anyone running against him, NONE of these people have ever actually run this country before. None of them have actually been put to that test. As fast as we are falling under Obama, we need to give somebody else the wheel before this ship is sunk. Sure, they can do worse than he has, but they can also do better and considering how things are now I think this country needs to take that chance.