starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
LOL!! :rofl:
Really, he's not all that special. Just Murphy trying to make up for using me as a chewtoy the past coupla seasons...
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Frustrated...Why oh why can't hatchlings follow the rules in the book?
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LOL!! :rofl:
Really, he's not all that special. Just Murphy trying to make up for using me as a chewtoy the past coupla seasons...
Susielea
Lily
I luffs ya really Terri
Although I could take the signs off the kitchen cupboards if you came to tea and get you to fetch the cups :nyah: :roflmao:Good luck Beth!
Susielea
Lily
Sorry to hear it didn't work for you Beth
When you say they just want to escape their feeding containers, do you mean you put them into different tubs to feed, instead of leaving them in their regular housing?
I leave my new hatchlings in their hatchling tubs for feeding, instead of moving them, I believe it's less stressful while getting them established. So if you are moving them, maybe feeding them in their hatchling tubs might work for you, just a thought
Good luck and best wishes,
When you say they just want to escape their feeding containers, do you mean you put them into different tubs to feed, instead of leaving them in their regular housing?
I leave my new hatchlings in their hatchling tubs for feeding, instead of moving them, I believe it's less stressful while getting them established. So if you are moving them, maybe feeding them in their hatchling tubs might work for you, just a thought
Good luck and best wishes,
crackerhead
Hug Free Zone
Beth, at least one of them is trying to get to my house.:grin01:
Terri
Terri
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Thank you Nanci, I think I will try Sue's suggestion first about leaving them in their containers, that way if they eat I can see it. If not then off they go into another container for feeding all covered up!
They are only 2 weeks old, so there is alot of time yet before I get to panic. But those lil' BOOGERS!!!!!!
And Terri, if things don't change in a month-6 weeks.....
They are only 2 weeks old, so there is alot of time yet before I get to panic. But those lil' BOOGERS!!!!!!
And Terri, if things don't change in a month-6 weeks.....
Nanci
Alien Lover
My "babies" that are good feeders still occasionally try to act like they can't stop tail-rattling or striking at me or frantically trying to escape long enough to eat. Cover 'em up, leave 'em for an hour, always works. It's the bloodred and/or lavender gene that makes them little troublemakers. Wait, that's all but two of my snakes!
Just out of curiosity, what set-up do you have the hatchlings in?
Just out of curiosity, what set-up do you have the hatchlings in?
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
I WISH these guys were hatelings, and struck at me! They are just so stinkin' mellow....but are alert and look very healthy.
I have them in the same type of set up I use every year for hatchlings, a small plastic sterlite "take along" for food with air holes melted in, a weighted small waterbowl and a folded paper towel.
We are right in the middle of this as well with our Aug 3-5 hatchlings. We have them in washed-lettuce boxes with about 10 1/8" holes, held closed with binder clips. We fixed plastic bottle caps to the floor with double-stick tape and then put in a square of paper towel and a half TP roll. They are on a bookshelf heated at the back to about 82-84 degrees.
11 of 18 have eaten F/T pinkies on their own or with a little tease. Several of the ones who have not eaten are constantly trying to get out and it seems like they just can't slow down enough to find the pinkies. After reading this I will try covering them, hotter dips, squeezing some brains out, and if I can find some, live pinkies.
Several people refer to cutting the pinkies in half. Is that head-to-tail or head from torso?
11 of 18 have eaten F/T pinkies on their own or with a little tease. Several of the ones who have not eaten are constantly trying to get out and it seems like they just can't slow down enough to find the pinkies. After reading this I will try covering them, hotter dips, squeezing some brains out, and if I can find some, live pinkies.
Several people refer to cutting the pinkies in half. Is that head-to-tail or head from torso?
LindsayMarie
Been here awhile
Ok, this is going to be a long one, I really want to help!
Hi Beth,
I wanted to let you know, you arent alone (although many posts prior tell you this)! Next is, after having horrible luck with my first clutch ever, who I too was eager to feed after their shed, only a little less then half ate first try (6 or 7 out of 16)! Of course this was the MAIN breeding pair, my weird Hypo Lav back to his Mom or Aunt.....arghghgh!! Anyways, I continued to try all the tricks, until these guys were like 3 -4 weeks and thats when I made the calls below (which was a little late I think). I talked on the phone with a couple very knowledgeable breeders and both told me to wait at least 4-5 days post shed before offering meals, wait till they are nice and hungry. Also, what time of the day are you feeding them? I seem to have much better luck with just after dusk. By then I had stressed them all so much by trying so hard only a couple more started eating, then originally fed in the first place (one with a live, but dying runt pink and the other by simply using tmf vs bc pinks). This year my babies seemed to eat, the 1st time or the 2nd, almost all the 1st time, except the non eaters and no matter what I tried, nothing worked (except noted above), NOT even live (which caused horrible stress on me, as I am very sensitive and would rather see no animal/reptile suffer. But they do when they arent eaten!!!) I wasted more then 30 dollars in live pinks and at least 5-6 X's that to try and set up a mouse colony which was a COMPLETE disaster! With each following clutch the eating ratio was MUCH better then half! You know what I found to be most useful with first time refusers, wait 5-7 days and then offer tmf? If they refused the normal Big Cheese food, I offered The Mouse Factory pink and down the hatch. Then some of the feeders, established feeders started holding out just to get a TMF they smelled in the other cages, so I had to move them down a few shelves.....lol
The hardest part besides watching my baby snakes starve themselves to death, practically was having to put them down. I felt like a mass murderer as there were 7 to put down in just the 1st clutch of 16. These too contained valuable morphs to my project It got better with clutches 2, 3, 4, and soon I will let you know how 5 goes. But clutch 4 is the second clutch, to clutch 1 and 7 out of the 9 ate right off the bat, the second try 4? days later, another ate (tmf) and there is only 1 hold out!? But they are slightly different morphs as well? Wonder how much that plays a role? I still have refusers from clutch 2 and 3, but nothing like clutch 1 (which how they survive so long is beyond me?). I have tried everything, I dont know what else to do. Pet stores around here already have wholesalers (PetSmart and PetCo's). The mom/pop stores dont do reptiles much and ones that do, breed their own. I CANT FIND A WHOLESALER AND SAVE MYSELF AND THEM ALOT OF GRIEF!
I definitely feel your frustration with the whole anole scenting thing, as my number wasnt anywhere near 20 (but I dont have anywhere near as much hatchlings as you), mine refused them too. Not a one at them! As for the kinked Blizzard eating, I have 2 kinked (one very mildly, a phantom of some kind, I think and a Pink Hypo Lav w/ seems to be het blood with a slightly more noticeable kink). Both ate right away, both are fiesty as &^%$ and very mobile. I dont see why they cant make good pets. But thats a whole different discussion!
Hi Ruth,
I was wondering how exactly do you tease feed and do you use a live or ft mouse to do it? I have tried the tease feeding thing and all it ever did was scare the hatchlings! Maybe I am doing it wrong, or maybe you hold the secret to the right way???
I also have a latcher and then he drops/spits it out once the head is in? I was starting to think he has a kink in his neck, nope. Either he doesnt like the taste vs the smell, or he is lazy and doesnt want to eat the arms and legs. Last feeding I tried a bc sausage (cut ft pinks arms and legs off), no interest. 4 days or so prior he was all over his food, spit it out more then 3 times while I was in the room!???? Yes I have tried just a head too, that really freaked him/her out!!!!!!! :realhot:
Hi Kathy,
I found that most of those that died in my 1st clutch of the mystery project were some sort of hypo charcoal lav mix or something. I called them weird ghosts...lol They may not of even been ghosts or in this case phantoms I think hypo charcoals are called? I dont know with the genes that are in this mix. But I am having bad luck with any of those and they all look the same with minor variation. Ohhh... and OFF topic, I SWEAR I have BR or Diffused WITH checkers??? Is this possible? I dont get it! Sorry, I dont mean to hijack your thread!
Hi Susielea,
I too think I will try this with the refusers. I kind of just put all the pinks in a large bowl with hot water and start going down the list. Warming it up 3-4 times, but even then, some are getting warmer then others! hmmmmm, something to think about!!
OK, I know this is extremely long, but I hoped I helped, even if just a little! Maybe try washing with soap, it worked with Snoop and gourmet rodent f/t pinks worked for Sassy! Worth a try! Goodluck I will be routing for you! Also I heard a long drive, shipping or bumpy roads can trigger them to eat that night, maybe you should send me your non eaters and I will send you mine??? Sounds about even?! :noevil: Take care, Lindsay
Hi Beth,
I wanted to let you know, you arent alone (although many posts prior tell you this)! Next is, after having horrible luck with my first clutch ever, who I too was eager to feed after their shed, only a little less then half ate first try (6 or 7 out of 16)! Of course this was the MAIN breeding pair, my weird Hypo Lav back to his Mom or Aunt.....arghghgh!! Anyways, I continued to try all the tricks, until these guys were like 3 -4 weeks and thats when I made the calls below (which was a little late I think). I talked on the phone with a couple very knowledgeable breeders and both told me to wait at least 4-5 days post shed before offering meals, wait till they are nice and hungry. Also, what time of the day are you feeding them? I seem to have much better luck with just after dusk. By then I had stressed them all so much by trying so hard only a couple more started eating, then originally fed in the first place (one with a live, but dying runt pink and the other by simply using tmf vs bc pinks). This year my babies seemed to eat, the 1st time or the 2nd, almost all the 1st time, except the non eaters and no matter what I tried, nothing worked (except noted above), NOT even live (which caused horrible stress on me, as I am very sensitive and would rather see no animal/reptile suffer. But they do when they arent eaten!!!) I wasted more then 30 dollars in live pinks and at least 5-6 X's that to try and set up a mouse colony which was a COMPLETE disaster! With each following clutch the eating ratio was MUCH better then half! You know what I found to be most useful with first time refusers, wait 5-7 days and then offer tmf? If they refused the normal Big Cheese food, I offered The Mouse Factory pink and down the hatch. Then some of the feeders, established feeders started holding out just to get a TMF they smelled in the other cages, so I had to move them down a few shelves.....lol
The hardest part besides watching my baby snakes starve themselves to death, practically was having to put them down. I felt like a mass murderer as there were 7 to put down in just the 1st clutch of 16. These too contained valuable morphs to my project
It got better with clutches 2, 3, 4, and soon I will let you know how 5 goes. But clutch 4 is the second clutch, to clutch 1 and 7 out of the 9 ate right off the bat, the second try 4? days later, another ate (tmf) and there is only 1 hold out!? But they are slightly different morphs as well? Wonder how much that plays a role? I still have refusers from clutch 2 and 3, but nothing like clutch 1 (which how they survive so long is beyond me?). I have tried everything, I dont know what else to do. Pet stores around here already have wholesalers (PetSmart and PetCo's). The mom/pop stores dont do reptiles much and ones that do, breed their own. I CANT FIND A WHOLESALER AND SAVE MYSELF AND THEM ALOT OF GRIEF!This year?
I definitely feel your frustration with the whole anole scenting thing, as my number wasnt anywhere near 20 (but I dont have anywhere near as much hatchlings as you), mine refused them too. Not a one at them! As for the kinked Blizzard eating, I have 2 kinked (one very mildly, a phantom of some kind, I think and a Pink Hypo Lav w/ seems to be het blood with a slightly more noticeable kink). Both ate right away, both are fiesty as &^%$ and very mobile. I dont see why they cant make good pets. But thats a whole different discussion!
Hi Ruth,
I was wondering how exactly do you tease feed and do you use a live or ft mouse to do it? I have tried the tease feeding thing and all it ever did was scare the hatchlings! Maybe I am doing it wrong, or maybe you hold the secret to the right way???
I also have a latcher and then he drops/spits it out once the head is in? I was starting to think he has a kink in his neck, nope. Either he doesnt like the taste vs the smell, or he is lazy and doesnt want to eat the arms and legs. Last feeding I tried a bc sausage (cut ft pinks arms and legs off), no interest. 4 days or so prior he was all over his food, spit it out more then 3 times while I was in the room!???? Yes I have tried just a head too, that really freaked him/her out!!!!!!! :realhot:
Hi Kathy,
I found that most of those that died in my 1st clutch of the mystery project were some sort of hypo charcoal lav mix or something. I called them weird ghosts...lol They may not of even been ghosts or in this case phantoms I think hypo charcoals are called? I dont know with the genes that are in this mix. But I am having bad luck with any of those and they all look the same with minor variation. Ohhh... and OFF topic, I SWEAR I have BR or Diffused WITH checkers??? Is this possible? I dont get it! Sorry, I dont mean to hijack your thread!
I've found that if I leave babies for 3 or 4 days post first shed, then offer a defrost pink that has been briefly dunked in very hot/not quite boiling water, I have very few, if any refusers. Last year and this year I've had one hold out until the second feed. Maybe I've just been lucky, but it works for me so I stick with it
Hi Susielea,
I too think I will try this with the refusers. I kind of just put all the pinks in a large bowl with hot water and start going down the list. Warming it up 3-4 times, but even then, some are getting warmer then others! hmmmmm, something to think about!!
OK, I know this is extremely long, but I hoped I helped, even if just a little! Maybe try washing with soap, it worked with Snoop and gourmet rodent f/t pinks worked for Sassy! Worth a try! Goodluck I will be routing for you! Also I heard a long drive, shipping or bumpy roads can trigger them to eat that night, maybe you should send me your non eaters and I will send you mine??? Sounds about even?! :noevil: Take care, Lindsay
LindsayMarie
Been here awhile
Wow that is a long thread, feel free to edit and or delete some! Lindsay
Lindsay
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Hey Lindsay,
Yeah, that helped, long though it was! There is ALOT I have not tried yet, and all my hatchlings still look pretty good. I haven't had to euth anyone at this point. The second clutch just shed, so I tried feeding f/t to 8 of them. 4 took it no problem...gggrrrrrr!! I am having trouble getting live pinks, the only petshop that isn't a drive closes before I get out of work, and after working a 10 hour day, there is no way to convince the old man to take a drive!
I also have 3 of Dean's non feeders. With the help of my non-snake-guy husband, we have been syringing chicken egg yolk down their throats. One member here has a friend who successfully got 4 non feeders to accept f/t pinks after their second shed by doing this. She said it kept them alive and actually got them to grow, and by their second shed they were ravenous for pinks. When she gets back from Daytona I want to ask her more about that, and make sure I'm doing it right. But so far so good, all 3 non feeder girls are still chugging along!
Some years, all but 1 or 2 of mine eat. But it seems this was a bad year for alot of people here.
Yeah, that helped, long though it was! There is ALOT I have not tried yet, and all my hatchlings still look pretty good. I haven't had to euth anyone at this point. The second clutch just shed, so I tried feeding f/t to 8 of them. 4 took it no problem...gggrrrrrr!! I am having trouble getting live pinks, the only petshop that isn't a drive closes before I get out of work, and after working a 10 hour day, there is no way to convince the old man to take a drive!
I also have 3 of Dean's non feeders. With the help of my non-snake-guy husband, we have been syringing chicken egg yolk down their throats. One member here has a friend who successfully got 4 non feeders to accept f/t pinks after their second shed by doing this. She said it kept them alive and actually got them to grow, and by their second shed they were ravenous for pinks. When she gets back from Daytona I want to ask her more about that, and make sure I'm doing it right. But so far so good, all 3 non feeder girls are still chugging along!
Some years, all but 1 or 2 of mine eat. But it seems this was a bad year for alot of people here.
LindsayMarie
Been here awhile
I too have trouble getting SMALL enough live pinks. I finally found a source about 40 minutes away who gets a shipment in weekly (I wish I knew the source). Anyways, they never seem to get in 1-2 day old mice, or the Swiss Mice used mostly for feeding give birth to larger pinks then the american fancies? Like I said, my try at setting up a small group of american fancies was a DISASTER. I need a reliable, trustable source for either a small breeding group, or better would be SMALL enough pinks w/i driving distance. Thats if I continue all this. After reading that most wholesale out their non feeders and/or give them away free to people or send them to friends to try and help (like Dean and you), I feel HORRIBLE holding onto mine and still holding, but I must admit, I just dont know where to go with them? Girls were mostly the non feeders.....how aggravating is that, on top of unique looking morphs!!!! I guess your bound to make mistakes your first year, but have I made a HUGE one, Beth? Anyone? I feel like a murderer for sure and #2's clutch is running out of time, 3 not far behind that. To be honest, I doubt a single one will spontaneously eat for me here! This is a rewarding yet hard and sometimes non rewarding hobby! Its not all happy times and smiling faces! I have done my fair share of
this year, which is why I wrote that winded "Please Read......HELP" thread. I wish you all the luck in the world on the babies and let me know about that syringe feeding and how that goes? (maybe you can send me a how to in pm?) If I breed next year I want to start preparing this year with scenting options, smaller live mouse options, force feeding options just incase (which I didnt feel secure enough to do this year)! Take care, lindsay
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
Yikes, Lindsay, you are certainly no murderer!!!!!!!! Sometimes euth is a sad option but the best thing. Not all are going to make it. You have made NO mistakes as far as I can see, and knew alot more going into this than I did (even though this site did not exist back in 1998, I don't think).
The reason Dean sent me the ones he did, was because I had originally wanted either a granite het stripe and hypo, or a bloodred het anery, stripe and hypo for a striped blood project. And also as a possible future mate for Syko (remember HIM? LOL). The entire clutch refused to eat for him!!! And he's been at this a long time. The 3 he sent were a granite het hypo, stripe and a bloodred het anery hypo and stripe because he thought I could use them if I got them going. The third was a female lav blood that he thinks I have a good chance with. I didn't "need" her but I'm not about to turn THAT down!
I was going to pm you about the syringe feeding, but wanted to check with the person who told me about it first, to make sure I'm doing everything right, before I passed the information along. When I do it it doesnt seem like they get too much in them, just a mouthful. But its high calorie stuff, and so far they are still alert....and it's hard for one person to do it alone. You might need Amanda to help you with it. Yikes, I'm babbling....need coffee!
I'm actually a little bit terrified. I just reread my breeding plans for next season....Not that all those clutches will actually hatch, but its still scary even if half of them do!
The reason Dean sent me the ones he did, was because I had originally wanted either a granite het stripe and hypo, or a bloodred het anery, stripe and hypo for a striped blood project. And also as a possible future mate for Syko (remember HIM? LOL). The entire clutch refused to eat for him!!! And he's been at this a long time. The 3 he sent were a granite het hypo, stripe and a bloodred het anery hypo and stripe because he thought I could use them if I got them going. The third was a female lav blood that he thinks I have a good chance with. I didn't "need" her but I'm not about to turn THAT down!
I was going to pm you about the syringe feeding, but wanted to check with the person who told me about it first, to make sure I'm doing everything right, before I passed the information along. When I do it it doesnt seem like they get too much in them, just a mouthful. But its high calorie stuff, and so far they are still alert....and it's hard for one person to do it alone. You might need Amanda to help you with it. Yikes, I'm babbling....need coffee!
I'm actually a little bit terrified. I just reread my breeding plans for next season....Not that all those clutches will actually hatch, but its still scary even if half of them do!