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Golddust X Creamsicle

Mark Dwight said:
But I imagined you did and that makes you a bad bad unethical breeder.

And because I imagined you said something you didn't I now think we need to have a discussion on the proper way to label Creamsicles. :roflmao:
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You seem to be the only person having a problem figuring out what's going on, I guess you are doing the best you can.

You are assuming we are calling Walter unethical, that is far from the truth. NO ONE is saying Walter is unethical.

Breeders who intentionally mislabel animals ARE unethical.

Animals from hybrid breedings need to be indicated as such. Calling them simply "amels" is technically, by the definition of amel, correct however these are creamsicle crosses and need to be distinguished as such. That's the broad comment being made.

I'm not really sure how that can be put in more simple terms.
 
How about we go through this slowly, so it can be thought out logically.

This was the original statement that cause such an uproar:

bitsy said:
You won't get Amels, because Amel is a pure Corn morph. You can use morph calculators and substitute Amel for Creamsicle, but where you get an Amel result, you need to convert that back to Creamsicle.
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Somehow, the "definition" of amelanistic was a response to this.
That's not what Bitsy was saying. As I said earlier, Amelanistic cornsnakes DO NOT have a clearly accepted trade name so we call them AMELS.
At least that's how *I* took what bitsy was saying assuming that we all know amelanistic means albino in general.

Beth was concerned that the two terms would be considered homogenous and labeled thus.

This had nothing to do with claiming Walter did anything or didn't do anything.

This is not worth an argument and I feel like I'm in a daycare.

(damn, I need to spread some rep around before giving anymore to Autumn :D )
 
Or look at it this way, all creamsicles are amels, but not all amels are creamsicles.

Creamsicle means there is Emoryi mixed in. If you read something labeled as just amel, most people would assume it's a pure corn snake. That's what we were all talking about, people have to label them as such.
 
Tara80 said:
Actually, my good sir, YOU are missing the point by bringing the definition of Amelanistic into this discussion to begin with. That wasn't the topic what-so-ever but was made to be so by a clash of personalities, it seems.
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Go back and read post #2 and #15. In both post it's stated that AMEL is a "pure corn morph." Right from the start (post #2) "amel" was a subject of conversation. Is amel a pure corn morph? Of course not...and that's all I'm saying.
Tara80 said:
As I said before, most people here know and understand the definition of "Amelanistic". End of story.
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Most people yes, but from post #2 and #15 it's apparent not everyone.

No one said Creamsicle should be labeled as anything but Creamsicle. I would be the FIRST person to call out anyone who did otherwise.
Any hybrid should always be labeled as such. No one here has ever said different. I first bred creams almost 20 years ago and would never call them anything but creamsicles. This is silly, isn't it OBVIOUS that anyone selling creamsicles as anything but creams is unethical?
 
You are very behind in the reading department there.
I already posted #2 and explained it and how I understood it.
At least it seems we are all on the same page now, which should count for something.

:)
 
Tara80 said:
You are very behind in the reading department there.
I already posted #2 and explained it and how I understood it.
At least it seems we are all on the same page now, which should count for something.

:)
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Here's hoping.

The bulk of the thread was about proper labeling and how certain terms are used.

Somewhere someone got a wild hair that we were calling Walter unethical, nope not true.

All were talking about was the use of certain naming terms and how that could be perceived as confusing, which it clearly was.
 
I'd really like some ice cream right now.

Cake Batter Ice cream, with some fudge. That'd be awesome.
 
Deep breaths everyone...

"Amel" corn "assumes" the animal in question is a corn snake. "Creamsicle" corn "assumes" the animal in question is an Emoryi/corn cross. Very simple stuff, even with all the assumations ;)

I think that was what was going on here, I could be wrong lol
 
Unless it's labelled as an "Orange Crush Corn", or labeled "Orange Corn", which I've run across a few times now. To which, when the seller was asked: "They sell better because the name cremesicle confuses them"
 
I've seen that too Dave (Orange corn anyway).
But I think Orange is now* Buff x Amel corn. I think. Heck if I know anymore, lol.
 
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if someones breeding these and needs to get rid of them let me know, summer's coming soon
orange-creamsicle-pop.jpg
 
BloodyBaroness said:
look at it this way, all creamsicles are amels, but not all amels are creamsicles.
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BOOM, PA-YAOOOOW, TOUCHDOWN !! 1000 points for Autumn. I owe you a drink Autumn :cheers:

I'm so glad you posted this, especially in this exact wording.
This (what I have highlighted above in the quote) was the ONLY point that I was trying to get across.

My posts had nothing to do with labling AND I agree 100% with EVERYONE as far as labeling Creamsicles as such, which is synonomus to a hybrid cross between Corn/Emory. I produce Creamsicles and Ultramel Creamsicles and would never lable them as anything but, also not dependant apon color, but by lineage.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
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