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got banned from k mart.

l0ck_0ff said:
yes but i was treated wrongly by an employee. i have heard other employee's being rude to other customers. i dont think its right for the employee to do as they please. especially banning me from the store. if its not documented they can't arrest me.. already looked it up. they have to have it dicumented why they dont want me in the store along with my full name. they dont know my name.
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Point 1 - I worked in Retail for a LONG time before I had my kids and because my position was closely linked with Loss Prevention, I was in their office often for work. The things I saw/heard are crazy. Stores both the headquarters and the individual stores DO NOT CARE. I don't say it to be mean or short or blunt but just so that you can realize that you are spinning your wheels in terms of trying to get them to do anything.

Point 2 - Additionally if an employee is rude to you then you need to go to the manager then and tell them about it, but if you react at the employees, then it will always be you who is wrong and they will ask or force you to leave. This is because if they don't then their employees can sue them for not protecting them from the customers.

Point 3 - They do not need your name, if you go back once they have asked you to leave and not return, then they can in fact have the police arrest you. I have seen it happen personally many times. It's true they do need documentation that they have asked you in the past (at least where I worked), but the security officer can fill out a form along with a printed pic of you from one of the security cameras and presto it has been documented. The place I worked had a whole photo wall of people we were supposed to keep an eye out for. Also the employee that gave you a hard time may have provided them with your name (you said she knew you somehow), or perhaps the security officer took down your tag number. Anyways I can assure you that just because you did not see them document it, that does not mean they didn't.

Point 4- If you continue to rock the boat at your GF's place of employment she will get fired. Speaking just for myself if I had a boyfriend who called any woman a b word I would leave him, I could never EVER be close to a man who would speak so disrespectfully about women regardless of his other qualities. If your gf is willing to forgive you for even saying such a thing then she is a nicer lady then me, but even then you cannot expect her to put up with you jeopardizing her job. And having a significant other who shows up at your work and makes waves is not going to be good for her employment status.


Point 5 - This is PRIVATE property, they can do as they please whether you think it is right or not. That is how private property works. The owner gets to decide what is acceptable and who is allowed. What you think is right only applies to private property owned by you, and even then your behavior still must fall within the confines of the law.

To sum it all up the company and the law do not care what you think the proper way to handle customers is, you are welcome to buy your own property and open your own store and then you can decide how employees need to behave. Stay away from this Kmart including the parking lot, whether you believe it or not they can arrest you.



Point 6 - The most important point - Calling people names whether it is under your breath or not is being abusive, it does not matter who started it. Two wrongs do not make a right! The employee was wrong and so were you. You are not a victim in this issue, only you have control over what you say other people cannot make you behave badly, that is up to you.
 
Dinah said:
Point 1 - I worked in Retail for a LONG time before I had my kids and because my position was closely linked with Loss Prevention, I was in their office often for work. The things I saw/heard are crazy. Stores both the headquarters and the individual stores DO NOT CARE. I don't say it to be mean or short or blunt but just so that you can realize that you are spinning your wheels in terms of trying to get them to do anything.

Point 2 - Additionally if an employee is rude to you then you need to go to the manager then and tell them about it, but if you react at the employees, then it will always be you who is wrong and they will ask or force you to leave. This is because if they don't then their employees can sue them for not protecting them from the customers.

Point 3 - They do not need your name, if you go back once they have asked you to leave and not return, then they can in fact have the police arrest you. I have seen it happen personally many times. It's true they do need documentation that they have asked you in the past (at least where I worked), but the security officer can fill out a form along with a printed pic of you from one of the security cameras and presto it has been documented. The place I worked had a whole photo wall of people we were supposed to keep an eye out for. Also the employee that gave you a hard time may have provided them with your name (you said she knew you somehow), or perhaps the security officer took down your tag number. Anyways I can assure you that just because you did not see them document it, that does not mean they didn't.

Point 4- If you continue to rock the boat at your GF's place of employment she will get fired. Speaking just for myself if I had a boyfriend who called any woman a b word I would leave him, I could never EVER be close to a man who would speak so disrespectfully about women regardless of his other qualities. If your gf is willing to forgive you for even saying such a thing then she is a nicer lady then me, but even then you cannot expect her to put up with you jeopardizing her job. And having a significant other who shows up at your work and makes waves is not going to be good for her employment status.


Point 5 - This is PRIVATE property, they can do as they please whether you think it is right or not. That is how private property works. The owner gets to decide what is acceptable and who is allowed. What you think is right only applies to private property owned by you, and even then your behavior still must fall within the confines of the law.

To sum it all up the company and the law do not care what you think the proper way to handle customers is, you are welcome to buy your own property and open your own store and then you can decide how employees need to behave. Stay away from this Kmart including the parking lot, whether you believe it or not they can arrest you.



Point 6 - The most important point - Calling people names whether it is under your breath or not is being abusive, it does not matter who started it. Two wrongs do not make a right! The employee was wrong and so were you. You are not a victim in this issue, only you have control over what you say other people cannot make you behave badly, that is up to you.
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This is 100% correct! They have every right to bar you from the store for ANY reason. It's private property!

Wayne
 
As the security director for a telecom company, they absolutely have the right to ban you for any reason they choose. Private property gives you a big grey area to work in and you can be as firm or lax as you like. I have personally banned numerous people, including food delivery guys for having nasty attitudes.
 
Private property, and the employees can be as rude as they like, actually! You are not forced to go there and shop. If you don't like an employee, you complain. If the manager ignores your complaint, then you just don't go there anymore. But you were banned, so no worries to you!

They do not owe you anything and you do not have any right to shop there. End of story.
 
Really?

Dude...you verbally assaulted an employee of a major store. Whether you think she was polite or not, you verbally assaulted her.

You're lucky you weren't arrested and your girlfriend fired on the spot...

But I know...we weren't there and she was rude, and you're always right, and everybody in your area, especially the cops, hates you and no one ever wants to do the right thing. It must be tough being the only person in a town that knows right from wrong. That must be incredibly frustrating to you...
 
I'd like to think you couldn't get arrested for calling someone the B word...

Still- their store, their rules.

But it's Kame Apart- srsly, who cares? I could not go to KMart the rest of my life (no offense, Gene) and never know the difference.
 
Nanci, the store would not have him arrested for calling someone a b word, the arrest would be for trespassing. Since they have notified him that he is not welcome on their property he can get arrested if they see him on the property again including the parking lot. So he can be arrested if he goes back on their property not because of the name calling incident but for trespassing.
 
l0ck_0ff said:
acidentally posted it here sorry

and for the rest of everybody i really dont have an explosive temper like you all think. yea i fought a kid in my mind it was what i felt i had to do after i repeatedly seeked help from my local law enfforcement and the school staff. they wouldnt help me so i went after him.

this case i said it under my breath no intent for her to hear me. but also my intent was not to physically hurt her like the sercurity guard thought i was gonna kill her. i told her that wasn't the case... i think what happened was a llittle story switching to make the employee look better. which i know they do because my girl cries to the security guard and switches the story big time and so does all the workers. its how they get what they want. ill be back in today with an officer i have all my rights printed out and ill ask for documentation on everything.
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Well, typically if you say something to a girl that makes her angry, she's going to try to get you into trouble if she can. If there is "Security" protecting her, she's not gonna take crap from anyone and she's going to use the "Security" to her advantage. A lot of girls feel vulnerable at work, I know I did when I worked in retail, and if some customer that I didn't like called me the b-word, I wouldn't hesitate to try to have them banned from the store. Also, you used to be "friends" with her, and you made fun of her when you were friends?
this employee does not like me because we would tease each other when we were friends and she got mad i said her name wrong so she doesn't like me anymore.
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That would make me do the same thing, I wouldn't want to see you where I HAD to be if I didn't have to. Why wouldn't you just ask another employee, one that you didn't know, and didn't know you? Maybe you would've had better results. Just my two cents. I don't believe that you have been wronged.
 
Dinah said:
Nanci, the store would not have him arrested for calling someone a b word, the arrest would be for trespassing.
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I was referring to the post above mine that said he was lucky he wasn't arrested. Which would have been before they trespassed him.
 
Nanci said:
I was referring to the post above mine that said he was lucky he wasn't arrested. Which would have been before they trespassed him.
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:-offtopicAh, I missed that post sorry. Sometimes when I read through the threads, points get jumbled together or missed and that is what I thought happened when you asked about getting arrested for saying the b word, but it turns out I had missed the boat (or post as it were) and my explanation was not helpful. Ah the joys of the internet! :)
 
Dude, you spoke to someone you have problems with. (the 'employee' who was rude to you) so you should have been expecting a problem. You got a problem, and then instead of being a good guy, you called her a name. You didn't even have the guts to say it loud enough to hear. To me that shows that you were looking for a way to turn it into a big problem where you could be the victim. You'll get no sympathy. You shouldnt have been harassing the staff that was rude to you in the first place. She works there, you know that and went there anyway. You two have problems, you know that too. Anything past that is YOUR fault for talking to her in the first place. So what if your girl works there, YOU dont. and YOU dont have a right to visit her at work. If anything that would have been a privilege, which has now been revoked. You shouldn't have been there, you shouldn't have started talking to someone who you've had problems with, you shouldn't have said any of the things you claim to have said to the first girl or the security person, and you were totally in the wrong. Now you cant go to K mart and boo-hoo. Your lucky your girl didnt lose her job, she should have. If my boyfriend were to act like you at my work, I would be fired for being the root of such a disturbance. Your also lucky she didnt break up with you.

I know guys like you. You cause more problems than you ever solve, and you never ever see how you are the root of it all. You just walk around going 'poor me, the world is out to get me' all the while bringing stress and heart ache on anyone who is close to you. 'fightin friday" says it all. You back it up with your attitude and further stories. Do your girlfriend a favor and stay away from her work. stop trying to cause more trouble for your girlfriends employer, the only one it will hurt is YOUR GIRLFRIEND.
ps, if you didnt get it, you deserved to be banned. Quit your whinging and take your well earned punishment like a man.
 
RosieReal said:
Do your girlfriend a favor and stay away from her work. stop trying to cause more trouble for your girlfriends employer, the only one it will hurt is YOUR GIRLFRIEND.
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:-offtopic I would also like to add that if your girlfriend is nice enough to keep you despite you language and despite creating a scene at her work, then be sure to WORSHIP her the way a person that forgiving/understanding deserves.
 
wade said:
Ah man look at Rosie, isn't she cute when she is mad.
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And just think I've yet to ever get REALLY worked up. I'm pretty restrained if I do say so myself. I'm down right sssmokin' when I'm on 'THE WAR PATH OF ROSIE WRATH!!!'
That only happens when my personal rights(or that of close family and friends) and freedoms are being abused. Thats hard to do online, although the religion thread may have come sort of close, kinda. :p

Dinah, when your right you are right!!! Some women seem to have the patience of saints. My boyfriend would be missing fingers if he ever acted like that.
 
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