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Hello i was wondering about my corn snakes
- Thread starter jas7019
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Shiari
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As stated, the female is a normal who carries the genes for anerythrism, but not both the necessary copies to make her homozygous and thus an anery. So she carries the gene, but cannot express it as she has only one copy. Your male is a snow. He carries and expresses the genes for amelanism and anerythrism as he has the two necessary copies for each. This means that if you paired him with an amelanistic corn who did not carry any other genes, you would get all amelanistic babies, who were also het for anery (carrying one of the necessary two). If you bred him to an anery, you would get all aneries, het for amel. If you bred him to a snow, you would get all snows. If you breed him to a normal with no hets, you will get all normal offspring, het for amel and anery.
Mom is normal, het anery for sure. Thus, you have hatched out two aneries so far because dad also carries the anery genes. Most likely you will also get normals. These often look quite like aneries at hatching, but generally have hints of orange in between the saddles near the head.
Mom is normal, het anery for sure. Thus, you have hatched out two aneries so far because dad also carries the anery genes. Most likely you will also get normals. These often look quite like aneries at hatching, but generally have hints of orange in between the saddles near the head.
i just wanted to let who ever reads this that my last baby i was waiting for passed away his egg turned black but i wanted to see what color he was so i cut the egg open and to my suprize he was a beautiful candy cane corn i brought a tear to my eye to loose my baby but it was better for him he had 2 heads and 2 vents my poor lirrle baby i wish he came out i would have really enjoyed him even if he was a little deformed but my other 2 babys are doing great not hungry yet but ill try to feed them again in 2 days
TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
You aren't going to produce a Candy Cane from none Candy Cane parents (a Snow and a Normal for example). CC's are selectively bred Amels and take several generation to acquire the specific look seen in the morph.
TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
Which would mean he was an Amel.
TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
No, and if I had I would have put it down. They very, very rarely survive and can suffer from many internal issues.
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
Sure you can. It's highly unlikely, but it certainly isn't impossible. Since the genetics involved in a candy cane are precisely the same as in an Ro or a standard, regular old amel, there is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from hatching a candy cane from a snow X normal het. amel pairing.
It isn't likely...but it's possible. The odds are definitely against you...but it's possible. It takes years of selective breeding to produce them consistently...but it most definitely CAN happen by chance, as long as the amel gene is present in both parents...
You speak with a definitiveness that simply isn't possible given the nature of the genetics at play in producing a candy cane. The parents that he bred together could very easily be the result of several generations of selective breeding already, and simply waiting for the genes to line up. Is it likely?? Nope. Is it possible?? Absolutely.
and to reply to your putting him down i would not have and of the animals and beautiful corn snakes have the right to live i know he might not live long but i would do my best to keep him alive and happy as long as he would have wanted it would have been my pleasure to keep him happy and satisfied
TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
While yes, in theory you could produce a CC from none CC parents...You're talking a less then 1% chance...and you sure as heck shouldn't label it a CC until it's 1-2 years old when it's color's come in and you can confirm that it is in fact a CC from none CC parents. I see people labeling CC's and RO's that I would consider standard Amels...A lot of it is a matter of opinion, sadly.
jas7019 said:
I prefer not allowing hatchlings to possibly suffer. Their is no way to tell if a reptile is "happy" or "satisfied." They don't have emotions.
Well since a true cc and the only thing i would label as a cc is a hybrid with a rat snake i believe it is, no he could not produce one from none cc parents. The term creamsicle should not be used for none hybrids as it makes it imposible to determine if the CC is question is a hybrid or a full corn whuch could muddy the lines in a breeding program.
TripleMoonsExotic
I <3 Stripes!
A CC (Candy Cane) isn't a hybrid. A Creamsicle (Corn x Emoryi) is something completely different and is a hybrid.
tyflier
[Insert Witty Commentary]
Unless that snake hatched out and was full of life and vinegar, I would have put it down, as well. I don't allow severely deformed hatchlings to live...you and I have no way of knowing what sort of pain and/or suffering the animal could be going through. Not everyone feels the same as my self and Triple Moons on this aspect, but it is a matter of opinion.
I have seen people struggle and fight with deformed hatchlings, "giving them a chance", when in reality...that animal is most likely in pain. When there are severe physical deformities present on the outside, it is a very reasonable assumption that there are severe physical deformities on the inside. Some would choose to allow the snake a chance at life, others would prefer to end the suffering before it truly begins. TripleMoons and I will disagree on ALOT of things...but on this...I agree with her 100%.
As for the d.i.e. baby being a candy cane...probably not. It is more likely that it died before it finished developing, and it's true coloration wasn't showing. As well, corns continue to develope coloration for a good few years after hatching. When dealing with linebred looks, it is best to wait until they develope before labeling them, unless you have been working the project long enough to have a fair amount of consistancy in the reproduction of the look. "Looks" or phases are a matter of opinion, for the most part. Certainly there are specific attributes one can expect to see from a specific look. But one person's CandyCane is another person's amel. I hatched an amel motley this year that many (on other forums and in person) have referred to as a "sunglow"(another line-bred amel look), but I will not refer to it as such because I can't be sure. Her parents were an anery motley het amel/hypo/caramel X normal het. amel/motley. VERY unlikely that I could produce a sunglow motley from the pairing...but she certainly has the chance at developing into a nice one, and as such...she is a keeper.
As an example to incomplete developement...I had a dead in the egg baby this year that I cut open to see what it was, and there inside was a fully striped ghost corn. The only problem with that is...the stripe gene is not present in either of the parents. It was either an anomoly of the motley gene(of which both parents were homozygous), or incomplete developement. No way to know for certain, but my guess would be incomplete developement as this was a perfect pair of stripes exactly as one would expect to hatch from a homo. striped pairing. It is highly unlikely that my two motleys were able to produce a baby that mutated enough in pattern to produce a perfect, fully striped pattern.
TME-
Of course you're right that the chances are very little...but still it is a chance. I also agree that I, personally, would refrain from labeling any animal with a linebred term until it has developed enough to be positive, or bred by myself for long enough to be consistent. You and I have both seen very poor examples of linebred looks, and it bothers me at times. I was only making the clarification as a matter of genetics. Genetically, it is absolutely possible, and that is the point I wanted to make. It was an attempt to clarify, though I fear I may have only added to the confusion...
