medusacoils
Mr. Enigma!
The only problem I can see, is that people have a preconceived notion or idea when they hear the name "Paradox".
Think about the first thing you think of when you hear "Paradox Corn Snake."
Wayne
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Homo Motley With Belly Checkers??? HOW??
- Thread starter medusacoils
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The only problem I can see, is that people have a preconceived notion or idea when they hear the name "Paradox".
Think about the first thing you think of when you hear "Paradox Corn Snake."
Wayne
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
Motley, as a morph, is the dorsal pattern on the snake and they happen to have had clear bellies. Stripe as a morph, is the dorsal pattern on the snake and they happen to have had clear bellies. Bloodred as a morph, is a a dorsal pattern on the snake and they happen to have had clear bellies. Bloodreds don't tend to have clear bellies any longer gaining a lot of red coloration. Stripes don't tend to have clear bellies any longer gaining peppering and coloring of the belly. Why can't Motley's have gained a few checks here and there and still be called Motley???
Are we that stuck on this morph and arguing about it? There's still question about the background on ultra being pure corn or not. Heck, I even question Lava anymore considering the level of dishonesty in the """"founder"""" of that gene. And here we are bickering over some few belly checks found in Motley? Okay. I guess.
And yeah, paradox to me is something that shouldn't be there period such as black in an Amel. Motley isn't clear belly. Motley = dorsal pattern.
D80
Are we that stuck on this morph and arguing about it? There's still question about the background on ultra being pure corn or not. Heck, I even question Lava anymore considering the level of dishonesty in the """"founder"""" of that gene. And here we are bickering over some few belly checks found in Motley? Okay. I guess.
And yeah, paradox to me is something that shouldn't be there period such as black in an Amel. Motley isn't clear belly. Motley = dorsal pattern.
D80
ghosthousecorns
Well-known member
I really wasn't sure what else to call it then (or now lol)- aberrant motley? checkered motley? Anyway I would probably be more skeptical if I had not hatched the one myself. I found out (like others have been doing of late) that it was rare but not unheard of that a motley can have belly checkers. Sounds like a good test breeding project for someone with more time on their hands than I have
Nanci
Alien Lover
So I was just reading in Reptiles Magazine this article by Kathy and Bill that was talking about the importance of registering snakes "Anyone can do research on the inheritance patterns of recognized traits, or use the database to discover inheritance patterns in traits that are currently not recognized or even noticed. When a new trait appears from crossing registered animals, te ancestors can more easily be located, and the spread of the gene troughout the gene pool can be tracked."
Sounds like these motleys would be good candidates for registration and tracking.
Sounds like these motleys would be good candidates for registration and tracking.
WingedSweetheart
New member
I think it only cost like $5.00 to register. My bubblegum snow is registered but my hypo isn't because she came from a pet store so I'm not sure what her genetics are. You can still register animals you aren't sure about and then fill out the rest later though (if you ever figure it out). But it is cool to see who my snakes parents and grandparents are.
medusacoils
Mr. Enigma!
Sorry Brent!! Didn't realize that I was bickering! I wasn't aware that so many were finding checkering of the bellies in the Motley gene when I posted this. It was something out of what little norm I am privy to.
Only thing I know is that Mom and Dad are Homo Motley. Which would in turn mean that their offspring would be the same. I don't know a whole lot about the Ultra being pure. I'm not sure we could make that assertion about any animal that developed in the wild and can breed outside of their own species. :shrugs:
Wayne
medusacoils
Mr. Enigma!
I like this idea! Have been considering doing it myself, but I have concerns. I realize that registration happens in many breeds of animals. The CFA, AKC, UKC, CKC, etc. That money goes to more than just a place on a website. I mean, I can do that here. I can develop my own site, list my offspring and create my own pedigrees, showing many levels of parentage if I know them. My issue with that is what is that money really paying for?
In organizations such as the ones I listed, it pays for education, the development of standards, some of that money goes to rescue organizations, literature an so on and so on. Does the available registration and tracking organization readily offer any of that? I don't know?!?! I can't even get them to respond to a simple email.
So :shrugs:
Wayne
medusacoils
Mr. Enigma!
Last time I checked it was $15.00 to register individually or $60.00 per year for unlimited registration.
Wayne
Nanci
Alien Lover
Well, for my $60, so far this year I have registered ~30 cornsnakes, and pre-registered five clutches, and since it was my first time registering anyone, I got this pretty cool holder file thing to store all the printed registration certificates in, and each animal has a nice-quality color registration certificate with a photograph on it. I sometimes have to wait a day or two or even three for an e-mail response (although on-line registrations are handled very promptly!) but it _is_ hatchling season, and they went to Daytona, and they just had a baby, so I try to be patient! Since the registration numbers are still under 10,000, I doubt there is a lot of spare cash laying around. In fact, I'd guess it costs the founders money, and is a labor of love rather than a profitable business at the moment.
It was pretty cool, when I had an amel baby pop up unexpectedly, to be able to go look through all the ancestors and find evidence of amel on _one_ side of the family tree! Couldn't find it on the other side- the records didn't go back far enough, or weren't complete enough to look at "cousins." It's also really nice for finding common ancestors- for example, I have two snakes who have the same father. I would have never known if I hadn't been familiar with the pedigrees.
medusacoils
Mr. Enigma!
Maybe I didn't word my post very well. I don't think they have stacks of cash lying around. I realize that they are putting money back into the registration part of it. I just get a little frustrated at the fact that "they" can't take a minute to reply to a simple email. I submitted it a month ago and then resubmitted again a couple of weeks ago.
Ya know, everyone is busy. I KNOW! Even me! Between work, helping my sister who is dying, football practice, games, meetings for my daughter who is autistic, doctor appointments, feeding and caring for over a hundred snakes, etc etc etc. I know! I'm busy. Everyone is busy, but I do take a minute to respond to simple emails. It's not that hard.
Wayne
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
Not you specifically, just the tone/direction the thread was taking.
As for registering with the acr. Meh. I used it at first and don't any longer for personal reasons in addition to the fact that I don't need to pay someone else any amount of money to keep track of my snake records.
If, as a customer, you don't trust the information that I am giving you, what gives the acr any more credibility. Liars and cheats can lie and cheat with the information they submit there just as easily as they can person to person. I'm not a liar or a cheater and don't need to pay someone else to verify that.
The acr system only does what it's advertised to do if everyone submits their lineages. It's just not a practical system for snake clutches . . . in my opinion. I also have more important things to spend my extra money on like groceries and gasoline for vehicles. $60 is $60.
D80
KJUN
Well-known member
http://www.herpregistry.com/acr/Breeders.php?bid=5
and
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=606734#post606734
Brent, what ARE you talking about????????
Susan
Go Ahead, Make My Day!
That doesn't sound right, that you haven't received a response yet. I just checked to make sure they haven't changed the contact e-mail address (that happens sometimes to many of us) and it's still [email protected]. That is the one you used, correct?
I have all of my snakes registered and yes, people can provide false information, but they can do that with ANY registration so that is nothing unique about the ACR. I have my own snake records, but I find the easy accessibility of the ACR, as well as the added benefit of being able to quickly bounce from one snake to a sibling, to a parent, to a half-sibling, to an offspring quite handy versus trying to trace something in my own records. Heck, if it wasn't for the ACR, I would have completely forgotten about one of my breeders being het amel. I can also check on related snakes owned by other breeders and bounce around their bloodlines as well.
I have all of my snakes registered and yes, people can provide false information, but they can do that with ANY registration so that is nothing unique about the ACR. I have my own snake records, but I find the easy accessibility of the ACR, as well as the added benefit of being able to quickly bounce from one snake to a sibling, to a parent, to a half-sibling, to an offspring quite handy versus trying to trace something in my own records. Heck, if it wasn't for the ACR, I would have completely forgotten about one of my breeders being het amel. I can also check on related snakes owned by other breeders and bounce around their bloodlines as well.
medusacoils
Mr. Enigma!
I like the idea of having a source, like that, readily available to anyone who is interested in the lineage of an animal. I guess it could be used to keep one "honest". -OR- As honest as they want to portray themselves.
As far as the email address, I will have to check that out. My question wasn't acr related. It was regarding a different subject, but directed to the same people who run all of those sites.
So :shrugs:
Wayne
Susan
Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Ahhh! OK! Well, check to see which of several e-mail addresses you used. There are several addresses for contact, depending upon what your topic is in reference to, and I don't know which ones are still in use or not. I have one when we communicated about getting photos for the Morph Guide, which is different from the ACR one, which is different than the one for ordering, which is different than personal ones, etc. I did send him a PM this morning before leaving for work on the other site about your not receiving a reply, so maybe that might get you something.
I just got a reply. He is going to look for your e-mail.
Nanci
Alien Lover
I'd like to think that _most_ people in the hobby are considerably more ethical and honest than Joe Pierce...Interestingly, it was in reviewing the ACR records for a snake I purchased from Joes that I discovered that she was not, in fact, what he had represented her to be.
Susan
Go Ahead, Make My Day!
Was the ACR records more accurate about the snake's true genetics?
medusacoils
Mr. Enigma!
PM's have been sent! Emails have been forwarded and maybe all is good.
I don't want you or anyone thinking that I was bashing them. I'm not! I know my words in this thread may have been harsh. I have been under a tremendous amount of stress as of late and I think I am letting it get to me.
My apologies!
Wayne