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How are your snakes housed?

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I would consider my AP (plastic) racks professional racks (and I voted this way) as opposed to hobbyist. They are machine made which provides a consistent, high-quality rack as opposed those that hand cut, build and sell wooden or plastic racks. But that's JMO. :)

Maybe I should have sorted by cost over $1000 per rack? I in no way implied that 'hobbyist' type racks are handmade, or of inferior quality. As a matter of fact there is a category for homemade racks. I would put AP and vision type racks as 'hobbyist models'. Call it poor choice of words on my part, I in no way mean to imply that all the professionals that use vision/AP/boaphile racks as unprofessional in some way. When I go to Ralph Davis or BHB reptiles etc, I see freedom breeders and ARS caging racks for the big boys and girls and some hatchling racks for the little ones. My ARS 7030 was over $3000 with all the options on it. And well worth it. No wood or plastic here.
 
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Maybe I should have sorted by cost over $1000 per rack? I in no way implied that 'hobbyist' type racks are handmade, or of inferior quality. As a matter of fact there is a category for homemade racks. I would put AP and vision type racks as 'hobbyist models'. Call it poor choice of words on my part, I in no way mean to imply that all the professionals that use vision/AP/boaphile racks as unprofessional in some way.

I'm not talking about homemade racks where the owner builds it themselves when I referenced "rack system for hobbyists." For example, Boamaster builds and sells handmade wooden racks. Those I consider racks for hobbyists as opposed to AP (professional) which are machine made.

Just a difference of opinion. :)
 
FYI - Boamaster's racks are cut out on a table router / cnc machine...just like AP racks. only know this becaue I was seriously considering getting one and have talked to them via email extensively.
 
Are they now? That's cool. Back when I looked into them when he first came out they weren't CNC. I'm sure that makes his job much, much easier!
 
I have mine in a glaas tank, but I'd like to get/make a sliding glass enclousure for her in the future. And who voted on free range? hahahaha
 
I'm not talking about homemade racks where the owner builds it themselves when I referenced "rack system for hobbyists." For example, Boamaster builds and sells handmade wooden racks. Those I consider racks for hobbyists as opposed to AP (professional) which are machine made.

Just a difference of opinion. :)

Boa cages are different, I already mentioned that I forgot display vivs as one of the selections. That would include visions CAGES, boamaster CAGES, boaphile 421Ds, etc. It's not that I think those are unprofessional, I have the highest respect for the Boaphile, he keep all his big boa girls in DISPLAY cages. That's got to be a lot of work, as compared to tubs. But he won't put boas in tubs, and won't make tubs for boas. I respect that. All of his stuff is CNC, also. Very professionally done. But it's done FOR THE HOBBYIST.
You have to admit, there's a HUGE difference between ARS/Freedom rack systems, and AP/visions/Boaphile racks. Once you use ARS or Freedom breeder racks you'll never go back, trust me.
 
I agree they are nice, BUT if i had 3K and a choice of where to spend it, I would probably use it to buy some really high end snakes as opposed to a rack system. I ain't rich and well you gotta have your priorities :)
 
I agree they are nice, BUT if i had 3K and a choice of where to spend it, I would probably use it to buy some really high end snakes as opposed to a rack system. I ain't rich and well you gotta have your priorities :)

That's fine, and that's certainly admirable.
But the professional racks like ARS are made to be the fastest at care and maintenance.
On an ARS 7030 You can go through 30 places and spot clean and water them every day in minutes. Weekly cleanings are a breeze. SO much easier. Got dirt behind the cage, wheel it out and vacuum. The easier it is, the more likely you're going to do it every day. The healthier your snakes are, and the more time you get to hang out with them, rather than cleaning up their poop.
To me, that's worth it. Once you buy them, they're not costing you any money, and they're saving you time, and you can better care for your high end snakes. Also, I keep my colubrids in CB70 size tubs in the lap of luxury. If that's not enough, they go into my CB70-08 Freedom breeder for a bit more height. Don't even get me started on how much my snakes like it in there......
 
I don't know if you meant to imply this or not, but if you did, have to respectfuly disagree that a snake in an expensive rack is somehow going to get better care. A negligent keeper is a negligent keeper, and a good keeper is a good keeper. I don't think the sterilite tubs in my home made racks are that hard to clean. I'm glad you can afford nice things, but that does not make those of us who cannot somehow less professional.
 
I use a Freedom breeder for my large carpet & Blood pythons. An ARS prototype 30 slot racks for colubrids. Several hand made racks for CB 70 s that house BP's & colubrids. A couple animal plastic racks for hatchling pythons. And some 4ft Boaphile cages too.
IMO the new ARS models are the cadillac of racks. Much easier to control humidity levels than the freedom breeders.:cheers:
 
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Boa cages are different, I already mentioned that I forgot display vivs as one of the selections. That would include visions CAGES, boamaster CAGES, boaphile 421Ds, etc. It's not that I think those are unprofessional, I have the highest respect for the Boaphile, he keep all his big boa girls in DISPLAY cages. That's got to be a lot of work, as compared to tubs. But he won't put boas in tubs, and won't make tubs for boas. I respect that. All of his stuff is CNC, also. Very professionally done. But it's done FOR THE HOBBYIST..

You made the incorrect assumption there. Boamaster is the company name and they don't restrict themselves to building for just boas (just like Boaphile doesn't restrict themselves to producing just boa racks and cages). They produce products for all sizes of snakes including cages and racks.

I strongly disagree with your opinion, as is my right. I do not find my racks "hobbyist" racks and ARS, FB, etc "professional." I would take an AP over any of the metal ones your claiming are so much better.

Once you use ARS or Freedom breeder racks you'll never go back, trust me.

Again, I disagree. I don't like the metal racks. They are also disgustingly overpriced considering you can purchase professional racks that are just as nice and functions exactly the same for what, 1/3 the price?

But the professional racks like ARS are made to be the fastest at care and maintenance. On an ARS 7030 You can go through 30 places and spot clean and water them every day in minutes. Weekly cleanings are a breeze. SO much easier. Got dirt behind the cage, wheel it out and vacuum. The easier it is, the more likely you're going to do it every day. The healthier your snakes are, and the more time you get to hang out with them, rather than cleaning up their poop.

What exactly makes these so much easier to clean as opposed to AP? I can roll around my racks if I had chosen to have wheels (I didn't, my reptile room is carpeted). I can spot clean and water the animals in my racks in minutes. So again, what makes them so much better as far as cleaning? Racks are all basically built the same. You have lidless bins that slide out. ;)

I will say though I would love to get my hands on those ARS rodent racks. But again, way to pricey for what they are, I'll just build my own!
 
Right now everyone is in glass tanks, but by summer I hope to have all of my snakes and more in a set of boaphile display cages. I really like them a lot, viewing pleasure PLUS ease of a stack system.
 
You made the incorrect assumption there. Boamaster is the company name and they don't restrict themselves to building for just boas (just like Boaphile doesn't restrict themselves to producing just boa racks and cages). They produce products for all sizes of snakes including cages and racks.
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I am very familiar with Boaphile's product line, and they are very good racks, and are designed well. It's hard to fault their design at all. They are the same price or more than ARS racks by the time you add it up.
I don't consider Boamaster as anything but hobbyist. He makes the racks out of wood, when there are much, much better options. Wood=particleboard. UGH.
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I strongly disagree with your opinion, as is my right. I do not find my racks "hobbyist" racks and ARS, FB, etc "professional." I would take an AP over any of the metal ones your claiming are so much better.
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Have you ever owned a freedom or an ARS rack? If not, then you're the one making the assumptions.
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Again, I disagree. I don't like the metal racks. They are also disgustingly overpriced considering you can purchase professional racks that are just as nice and functions exactly the same for what, 1/3 the price?
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OK, let's start with what you want and what you get. Unitized construction, for easy movement. My ARS 7030 comes in levels of 3, so, let's do a cost comparo. I'll use an apples to apples comparison, as much as I can. Since my ARS is a CB-70, let's use CB-70 tubs to keep it fair. So I'd need to buy 10 3 slot AP IRIS racks to compete with modular construction. Ok, thats:
190 times 10= $1900
3 of them would need casters, if you stacked them 3 high, plus 1 extra in the middle. $26 x 3 sets of casters=$77
You'd need to ship them, that's $40 x 10= $400
Now, I use THE best tubs around: HEAVY, HEAVY DUTY ARS CB-70 tubs with round corners, flat bottoms, no ridges, and since the top is vented on each level NO HOLES IN THE SIDES OF THE TUBS, for easy cleaning. They have been made in such a way that they're non-stick. You can't get anything to stick to them, it just wipes off. I prefer semi-clear, but they're also available in grey. I got mine with the built-in deli cup holder. Nothing could be easier. You change water by just sliding in a new deli cup in place, easy, clean, and quick. They are $17. each $17x 30= $510.00
So that's 1900+77+400+510= $ 2887
A new ARS 7030 is $2550 + freight shipping.
Did I mention that it includes a new 3 prong helix thermostat and a looooong power strip?
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What exactly makes these so much easier to clean as opposed to AP? I can roll around my racks if I had chosen to have wheels (I didn't, my reptile room is carpeted). I can spot clean and water the animals in my racks in minutes. So again, what makes them so much better as far as cleaning? Racks are all basically built the same. You have lidless bins that slide out. ;)
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They are so much better in so many ways it's not even a direct comparison.
If you have a CB-70 rack, order a few ARS tubs and swap them for your own. Get some 16 0z. deli cups, and change them to swap water.
The problem is you'd have to burn holes in those nice non ribbed tubs and ruin the easy clean aspect because they will have holes in the sides. They are smooth bottom for better heat transfer from the bottom heat. The flexwatt runs in a channel that is adjustable where you want it. It is protected, and insulated from the bottom, and throws heat UP, not down. The metal channel makes the heat VERY consistent, as it acts as a heatsink.
The metal channel is also grounded, and plugs into a grounded outlet and thermostat. Much safer. The actual flexwatt is protected and not likely to be damaged. The tubs have gentle rounded corners for easy cleaning, and to protect the snakes' nose. No ribs along the sides or bottom. The tubs hang from the lip, not the bottom, so they don't slide along anything. As I mentioned before they're made non-stick, so you just rinse, wipe with nolvasan, and cross-stack to dry.
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I will say though I would love to get my hands on those ARS rodent racks. But again, way to pricey for what they are, I'll just build my own!


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Let's try it with 10 slot AP racks, shall we?
3-10 slot racks, $610 each. 610x3= $1830
3 sets of casters, $26 each 26x3= $77
Same number of tubs, so $510
Add $135 for your helix $135
add $75 for your long power strip $75
And shipping is freight, so a close comparo would run:
1830+77+170+135+75= $2627+shipping vs. $2550+shipping for a basic 7030 with all of that carp included.
I did splurge on my rack though, I have dual redundant 6" wide e-series tape with reflectix on the bottom. It's really slick.
Each snake has 12"x17" of warm area with independent temp control in 2 zones. With redundant thermostats. It sounds extreme, and it is, but it's 4 thermostats controlling 30 tubs with some fault tolerance.
Yes, my snakes have dual zone climate control.
 
Wanna do it with visions? OK
Visions CB-70. Their rack is 11 tall. 3 of them will give you 33 spots.
But the top 3 are gonna be pretty tall and the bottom 3 are almost touching the ground.......whatever.
599 each x3=1797
100 each for shipping, so add 300
Tubs, add 30 tubs, and we'll let the top or bottom 3 sit empty $510
Add a power strip $75
add a Helix $135
So far that's $2817, but shipping is included in that.
The downside is there's a LOT of assembly time, winding the heat cable, etc.
I'm not seeing major savings. I haven't used these personally, but played with one at a show. It seemed........unimpressive. I can imagine growing to hate it more and more every time I used it.
 
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Boaphile? Thought you'd never ask...
Closest thing I could find was the 'ball room rack'
2 rows of 4" flexwatt, and #1960 tubs.
First thing, the tubs aren't anywhere near as nice.
They have ribs, ridges, and don't slide smoothly.
Are they cheaper? Let's find out....
That rack comes in a 4 slot design, and has a quantity discount.
It also comes fully assembled with tubs and shipping included.
Doing great so far!
CNC machined, great materials. I really considered a pile of these. They're nice racks.
OK, I see if you order 8 you get a pretty big quantity discount, so let's order 8 and because they're so small and modular we'll say there's no need for wheels.
In quantities of 8 they're $339 each 339x8= $2712
OK, we'll need a helix $135
a power strip .................
You can easily see where this is going.
Don't count them out, they're the best rack yet, but there's no cost savings. This is actually the closest apples to apples comparison I've seen yet, and it's very good.
If the Boaphile based this around the CB-70 tub rather than the #1960, I would prolly have a mess of them in my living room right now.
 
Have you ever owned a freedom or an ARS rack?

I don't like them, thus I wouldn't buy one. Pretty simple. ;) Just because I don't own one doesn't mean I haven't seen one.

The problem is you'd have to burn holes in those nice non ribbed tubs and ruin the easy clean aspect because they will have holes in the sides.

No you don't. None of my tubs have holes drilled in them. :D

If you have a CB-70 rack, order a few ARS tubs and swap them for your own. Get some 16 0z. deli cups, and change them to swap water.

If I had chosen to pay a salty high price for ARS tubs and put them in my AP rack, I could have (if all sizes were compatible of course). I chose not to because again I am completely content with my standard tubs, I don't like to use deli cups for water and my tubs are no harder or no easier to clean then any other tub a snake poos in. Though sterilite did recently discontinue a line of tubs which really throws a wrench in the those types of racks...BUT I'm done purchasing that particular size of rack and will be moving onto larger sizes. :)



Another thing to note, your price comparisons for AP at least seem to be for there closed racks I think? I don't even use those, I prefer the open sides of the EP line. I'll e-mail Allie for some prices and post them here...I need to get them anyway so I can figure out my next order. :)

All in all, we're just going to have to agree to disagree on the matter. I think plastic racks can be just as professional and quality as metal ones...And I think how you worded some things here could have been differently. I will have to tell my local large breeders about this though, I'm sure they'll get a chuckle out of it. I have one professional breeder here who builds his own quality wooden racks (though he is a furniture builder by trade as well).
 
I make my own racks with tubs lidless
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Those look really nice. Better then anything I could build! I like with you have dividers in between. Some how it makes it look more neat and orderly.
 
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