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Epidemiologically, whatever it is may not kill every snake. Or the disease state may not have a precise (identical) temporally defined incubation period, latency period, or morbidity.

For example, in mammals, the echoviruses and enteroviruses. They may cause a disease state in some individuals, while some individuals remain asymptomatic, or never get sick. They may kill some individuals, while some never get more than the sniffles or a head cold. Infants and the elderly, for example, may be more susceptible than healthy adolescents and adults.
Note: general diagnosis relies on pre-acute and post-acute antibody titers. And only some certain few subtypes or serotypes of these very small, spring-time viruses are even tested for (in a reference lab type setting).
 
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Bob keep us posted, I am glad that you are being so responsible in looking into this and getting those tests done. Every once in a while there is something wrong with a baby corn and it doesn't make it, but with that many snakes you have to wonder.
 
Oh, Bob, I'm so sorry for the loss of your favorite baby and all of the continued agony of your situation. I hope that soon you at least have answers about what caused that death. Your bravery and honesty in sharing your story with the community are admirable. I hope your losses are over.

Here's a possible source to find some formalin if you haven't yet gone to UK and are still looking for formalin. If you know any high school or college science teachers, you might ask if they have any in the lab that they could spare. The amount you'd need for a hatchling in a baby-food jar isn't much. If the person isn't comfortable handing over a hazardous substance, s/he might be willing to mail it for you.

You remain in my thoughts and prayers.
 
I am considering multiple snakes from Doc, and this is now way way too much of a coincidence to not be a disease of something. So to put myself, and others, at ease I would like to offer to pay for the necro if money is an option. Also, if someone can provide me with a way to supply formalin to Bob, I will gladly pay for that too.
 
NonVenomous, there are no words. Thank you!
I have another sad update, my amel het hypo fire was one of the last two to start showing signs something is wrong, he regurged a few days ago. So tonight I was watching him and he was acting odd. Then rolled himself up in a weird coil then arched his back and tried to regurge again, there is nothing in him to regurge. I picked him up and can start to see the tale tale greenish tint coming thru on his belly like the others.
Tomorrow is feed day and was going to offer him something small. The only glimmer of hope I have with hiim is he is still fiesty. Thank you again all and I am sorry I have to keep posting bad news.
 
Oh no. I'm so so sorry this is happening to you. I would be in pieces if it happened to me. :hugs:

If he passes away, throw him in a ziplock in the freezer. Hopefully we can get some supplies to you soon and get answers.

And no worries, I truly am heartbroken that this has happened to a few people and I want answers as well. Doc is local to me and would be an amazing contact to have close by, as he is selling so many good snakes right now. And I'm not going to lie, this has me a little too spooked to buy right now.
 
A member here is sending me some formulin and bottle to have on hand. She said not to freeze if I could help it but if he does pass I hope the supplies get here when he does, I didn't know not to freeze them, the lab at UK told me to. So I have two in there now, the caramel that died first I burried her not thinking that this was going to happen.
Thank you again
bob
 
I'll have that jar out to you ASAP. Here is a link with some wonderful information on necropsies on herps. It gives you an outline as to what information I will need for a history. The more information provided, the better the diagnosis. If you have multiple snakes available, put them all in the jar (if they will fit and be fully covered).

As it mentions, the specimen should be refrigerated, but after 3-4 days, it will need to be frozen. Not ideal, but something that has to be done. I've been forgetting just how long your problems have been going on.
 
Thank you, I got word today the preservant is on its way and maybe soon we will all have an answer to all this.
 
Hopefully Others Will Learn From This

Sorry to hear of all this trouble. Hopefully, this won't happen to anyone else. I guess it's a learning experience for us all as it could have happened to anyone. I guess people will be a little more careful when purchasing snakes online. What a sad and tragic story.
 
It's just my opinion but seeing how this is the third person to have snakes pass from the same breeder I don't think I would add a snake of his for free until what ever is causing the snakes to die is pin pointed. I would be terrified! Again JMO

NonVenomous said:
Oh no. I'm so so sorry this is happening to you. I would be in pieces if it happened to me. :hugs:

If he passes away, throw him in a ziplock in the freezer. Hopefully we can get some supplies to you soon and get answers.

And no worries, I truly am heartbroken that this has happened to a few people and I want answers as well. Doc is local to me and would be an amazing contact to have close by, as he is selling so many good snakes right now. And I'm not going to lie, this has me a little too spooked to buy right now.
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