RobbiesCornField
Bring it on.
Probably because mine are still small.
With the male, I anticipate needing some wussy gloves when he gets bigger, but my female is really rather calm and very inquisitive.
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I think I have made a final choice.
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Probably because mine are still small.
With the male, I anticipate needing some wussy gloves when he gets bigger, but my female is really rather calm and very inquisitive.
Shiari
Blutterer
Caution, your coming off as inherently laziy and lacking desire for real responsibility. That statement there counteracts every single attempt you just tried for regarding being a responsible keeper. I doubt you realised that and as you DO want to be seen as responsible, you might want to take more care for how you phrase things.
Did you know that cows kill people each year too? And horses? And cars, fridges, lightning, planes, sharks, tornados, floods, earthquakes, blizzards and certain forms of masturbation? Did you know that popping a zit can actually kill you?
You could also be one of those lucky people who has a violent anaphylactic reaction to the saliva of one of your snakes. Even if you aren't currently allergic... You can *become* allergic.
So your logic on that point fails.
The people getting attacked by dogs are usually stupid or ignorant. I was attacked as a kid. I approached three dogs that I knew and had played with, but was too young (ignorant/stupid) to realise that those dogs on 'guard duty' would act differently than when it was play time. It was just a warning bite... like most bites that happen.
mmmmmmn.... tastes of deceased equine... so good...
DeadMouse
Hungry, hungry Hognose!
I normally stay out of these types of topics and flame wars, but these with David seem to be so consistent with the same type of arguments for and against whatever snake he want's to get next. This whole, "do you have a plan?" stuff is ridiculous as has been pointed out because regardless of age, life is ever changing and it has no bearing on age, experience or planning. Sure, a contingency plan for certain events is wise, but even the best contingency plans might not meet the demands of the unexpected.
I also understand that some of you are concerned for the care and well being of David's animals. Do any of you know that he's in fact not taking good care of the animals he owns now? If it were known that David was neglecting his animals, then I could understand the concerns posted here. Otherwise all of this negative posting towards David is pure conjecture in what seems like a very sanctimonious tone. Something of which does not seem warranted nor wanted by David. If you don't like how he's doing or planning things, remember this, it's his life, not yours.
The questions I am going to ask do not require answers from David but are more poised to get him to sit down and think about the choices he's making. In fact, I would advise to you David in not trying to answer them here or really to anybody other than yourself or people close to you as this is more of a soul searching kind of endeavor.
What I have to ask of David is this:
What are your ultimate goals for keeping reptiles?
What do you plan to achieve with each new species you keep?
What are you learning from keeping all of your reptiles?
Have you learned so much from what you already have that you need to acquire more exotic species to expand your knowledge?
Is the short time you've had all of your reptiles really a large enough time frame to know everything about them?
With every new species you acquire, what is it about that particular species that you think you can learn from or how do they fit in with your overall plans and goals on keeping reptiles?
Where do you see yourself in 5, 10, 15, 20 years and how do your reptiles fit within that foresight?
I pose these questions because they more or less relate to my 15+ years of keeping reptiles and how I now look back at some of the decisions I made that were not well thought out or how life created some difficult hurdles that ultimately affected the animals we kept due to our ever changing life. One of which I'll refer to this post.
I am in no position to tell David what he should or should not do and I only wish him the best in his endeavors. But I would ask him to sit down and think about the reasons why obtaining all of these new reptiles in such a short time span is wanted, needed or even necessary. Perhaps you can have your mother ask you the above questions I posed and you can give your answers to her and have a one on one dialogue with her. It might prove enlightening as sometimes verbally discussing things and/or involving someone close to you can bring forth thoughts and ideas that would have been shrouded otherwise.
You obviously are a smart kid with a lot of ambition and it sounds like you have a great support system of a family. In the end, I wish you all the best with your life and hope all the decisions you make come to fruition the way you plan.
I also understand that some of you are concerned for the care and well being of David's animals. Do any of you know that he's in fact not taking good care of the animals he owns now? If it were known that David was neglecting his animals, then I could understand the concerns posted here. Otherwise all of this negative posting towards David is pure conjecture in what seems like a very sanctimonious tone. Something of which does not seem warranted nor wanted by David. If you don't like how he's doing or planning things, remember this, it's his life, not yours.
The questions I am going to ask do not require answers from David but are more poised to get him to sit down and think about the choices he's making. In fact, I would advise to you David in not trying to answer them here or really to anybody other than yourself or people close to you as this is more of a soul searching kind of endeavor.
What I have to ask of David is this:
What are your ultimate goals for keeping reptiles?
What do you plan to achieve with each new species you keep?
What are you learning from keeping all of your reptiles?
Have you learned so much from what you already have that you need to acquire more exotic species to expand your knowledge?
Is the short time you've had all of your reptiles really a large enough time frame to know everything about them?
With every new species you acquire, what is it about that particular species that you think you can learn from or how do they fit in with your overall plans and goals on keeping reptiles?
Where do you see yourself in 5, 10, 15, 20 years and how do your reptiles fit within that foresight?
I pose these questions because they more or less relate to my 15+ years of keeping reptiles and how I now look back at some of the decisions I made that were not well thought out or how life created some difficult hurdles that ultimately affected the animals we kept due to our ever changing life. One of which I'll refer to this post.
I am in no position to tell David what he should or should not do and I only wish him the best in his endeavors. But I would ask him to sit down and think about the reasons why obtaining all of these new reptiles in such a short time span is wanted, needed or even necessary. Perhaps you can have your mother ask you the above questions I posed and you can give your answers to her and have a one on one dialogue with her. It might prove enlightening as sometimes verbally discussing things and/or involving someone close to you can bring forth thoughts and ideas that would have been shrouded otherwise.
You obviously are a smart kid with a lot of ambition and it sounds like you have a great support system of a family. In the end, I wish you all the best with your life and hope all the decisions you make come to fruition the way you plan.
RobbiesCornField
Bring it on.
Uh-oh... he said the magic words.
Shiari
Blutterer
Failed assumptions? I'm fine with your plan (whatever it is) because your mom is involved. I pointed out that saying you hate an animal because it takes too much work is counterproductive to the image you are trying to portray. I don't particularly like you but I'm *still* trying to help by pointing out that spurious statistics and certain phrasing are going to harm your attempts to create the image you want.
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
Look Buddy. You better simmer down on the dogs thing.
I put up with all your Stinking Goddess business, etc.,.....like a pretty darn good sport.
I put up with all your Stinking Goddess business, etc.,.....like a pretty darn good sport.
danielle
New member
As you two argue about dogs I can smell mine needs his anal glands....again
I love my two dogs, they are tons of work, and can see why people with busy schedules do not own them. However, they have real personality, actually need your companionship and appreciate it, eat your shoes, socks, underwear, remotes, walls, chairs, and anything else they can fit in their mouth the minute you look away, and give the sweetest kisses
I love my two dogs, they are tons of work, and can see why people with busy schedules do not own them. However, they have real personality, actually need your companionship and appreciate it, eat your shoes, socks, underwear, remotes, walls, chairs, and anything else they can fit in their mouth the minute you look away, and give the sweetest kisses
RobbiesCornField
Bring it on.
This is the precise reason I don't own a dog. I love 'em, and they're cute, but they are downright time consuming! Yeah, I could probably get off my behind every now and then and that would free up a lot of my time, but I LIKE my downtime.
Carinata
Ever Evolving Exotics
1. What are your ultimate goals for keeping reptiles?
My ultimate goal is to either enter venom reasearch focusing on the venom of colubrids or become a large scale breeder or various speices of colubrids, select boas and pythons and venomous.
2. What do you plan to achieve with each new species you keep?
I want to gain a better understanding of common and not-so common snakes so that I can better educate my self and others and learn more about captive husbandry so that these animals (EX: King Ratsnakes) will not have to be imported but can be bred in captivity to reduce starin on wild populations.
3. What are you learning from keeping all of your reptiles?
I am learning to respect animals and responsibility, every animal I own is cared for and supported by money I earn. I also am learning about patience and self disipline.
4.Have you learned so much from what you already have that you need to acquire more exotic species to expand your knowledge?
I get an animal. I get a notbook. I record behavior patterns, feeding patterns and preferences. I want to expand because I want to see these animals. I want to learn about and understand these animals. I also want to take my knowlege and share it with reptile keepers and just those interested in snakes.
5.Is the short time you've had all of your reptiles really a large enough time frame to know everything about them?
Nope and I never will. I will always learn, without learning there is nothing.
6.With every new species you acquire, what is it about that particular species that you think you can learn from or how do they fit in with your overall plans and goals on keeping reptiles?
Many of the singles I buy don't fit into breeding. And are just for my observations and peronal enjoyment. The pairs are for the above and breeding.
7.Where do you see yourself in 5, 10, 15, 20 years and how do your reptiles fit within that foresight?
I see myself keeping and breeding until the day I breath my last breath
Jynx
Digger, RN
Ok guys, some of you are getting a tad overzealous with their opinions. IMO, this kind of "intervention" doesn't do anything for the hobby. Young, yes he is. Has guidance? Hmm... seems that this is where his Ma comes in. Wish I had the same.
I can personally say that ever since the infamous Black Rat video, I'm quite impressed with his attempt to become a better snake keeper. What 15 year old wants to be told what to do? Better yet, what 15 year old takes that sort of thing gracefully? It seems to me that a few years and fancy words don't make it seem any more like some are wasting their breath, hoping to get the reaction out of him they desire. Who here really thinks that its going to work? I don't know about you, but I'd rather spend that effort on my own snakes instead of telling him what he should and should not get, or what he is and is not ready for.
Troy, that was an awesome post. Yours usually are. Honestly, who are we to question his motives though? Furthermore, who are we to attack him for not liking dogs? I'm happy with offering advice, tips, and what little guidance he asks for it (which he obviously is, so how about as a fellow herper, we give it?). If he does something stupid, then I suppose we can come out and say "Ok David, that was dumb." I fail to see how wanting more animals can be considered stupid, yet so many are calling him out.
I'd like the people who didn't want to go overboard right out of the gate when they learned what all was out there to raise their hands. Anyone? Bueller?
Why doesn't anyone ever jump on me when I stated I wanted to take on some Chrondros? Or Retics? Or Hoggies? I had no previous experience with these species before I decided I wanted them :shrugs:
I can personally say that ever since the infamous Black Rat video, I'm quite impressed with his attempt to become a better snake keeper. What 15 year old wants to be told what to do? Better yet, what 15 year old takes that sort of thing gracefully? It seems to me that a few years and fancy words don't make it seem any more like some are wasting their breath, hoping to get the reaction out of him they desire. Who here really thinks that its going to work? I don't know about you, but I'd rather spend that effort on my own snakes instead of telling him what he should and should not get, or what he is and is not ready for.
Troy, that was an awesome post. Yours usually are. Honestly, who are we to question his motives though? Furthermore, who are we to attack him for not liking dogs? I'm happy with offering advice, tips, and what little guidance he asks for it (which he obviously is, so how about as a fellow herper, we give it?). If he does something stupid, then I suppose we can come out and say "Ok David, that was dumb." I fail to see how wanting more animals can be considered stupid, yet so many are calling him out.
I'd like the people who didn't want to go overboard right out of the gate when they learned what all was out there to raise their hands. Anyone? Bueller?
Why doesn't anyone ever jump on me when I stated I wanted to take on some Chrondros? Or Retics? Or Hoggies? I had no previous experience with these species before I decided I wanted them :shrugs:
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wade
Save The Humans
Hey, I have had snakes since Christ was a corporal and I have at times had hundreds. I can't answer any of your questions. What does that mean?
Chip
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒ&
I appreciate your take, Troy. And I just read and appreciate David's answers to your questions. He may become the Jacques Couteau of herps one day! My withhold comes from having taken many a bad bite and dodged my face away from strikes from the animal he is interested in. And yeah, the chimp line was *mostly* a joke, David. I have kept this species. They are chaos to work with as they get size on them. Much like how a juvie chimp is sweet and typically becomes unpredictable with age. You made a point about the owner "making the snake." In truth, the owner doesn't make the snake, nor dog, though the latter is much closer to fact. My radiated rat hatchlings were wiry and active, not unlike most Asian rats. But not only did they not outgrow it with size, it worsened.
When you wanted a stinking goddess (carinata), I told you the ones I had "baby-sat" were a bit problematic, and they weren't a species I'd recommend for a young person. My feelings on the radiata are 100 times worse. They are spawn of Satan snakes, as my friend Clay Davenport put it. They mash really hard when they bite. They are big, long snakes. They are faster than anything you can imagine. Terrible, terrible "pets," IMO.
Carinata
Ever Evolving Exotics
Answers are above el rojo
wade
Save The Humans
OK smarty pants, who is going to take care of your snakes when you're dead. Didn't plan for that did ya. Well it's going to happen you know. And the snakes are your responsibility. You will be dragging your rotting corps from the grave everyday for eternity to poop scoop and change water bowls.