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jake the snake

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I want to see my snake eat but the problem is I have to put him in a small container with all the lites out. Can i do that with one of the blue night time bulbs so I can watch him? I think it is cool watching the mice get killed. How often should he eat because he just reached the 1 foot mark?
 
Jake, in no wish do i wish to make judgements, but last night you had an accident with a pinkie and a string and now you say "it is cool watching them get killed" I am sure you dont mean any harm but your not helping our community with those messages. Please have a rethink about how you word these type of statements, the PETA(? US version of RSPCA) can be a tad short sighted x
 
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Just to be clear, PETA is not like the RSPCA. The ASPCA is the equivalent. PETA is a group of fanatics that are pretty off the chart about even owning an animal.
 
Thanks Meg, I wasn't sure, I am not a political person but in the UK the RSPCA (Royal Society For The Protection of Animals) are in the process of trying to pass some legislation which could have major implications for UK snake keepers, as I said they mean well but can be a little heavy handed.
 
All of those organizations have a definite political agenda that isn't in the best interest of the pet trade...........;)
 
Hmm, I wouldn't say RSPCA has a political agenda as such. They are government controlled but they do do alot of good. I haven't had any direct dealings with RSPCA as I'm in Scotland but the SSPCA so far has been very helpful and have done alot of good work on the animal welfare front. They also do alot to educate people about proper treatment of animals and raise funds to help rescue unfortuntate animals that need re-homed, vet treatment, prosecuting owners etc etc. Fair enough, some of the stuff they do (like just now th RSPCA is trying to get some sort of legislation with regards to reptile keeping) is quite 'annoying'. But you have to see where they are coming from. they get 1000s upon 1000s of reptile cases and the majority are resulting from well intentioned but nevertheless extremely poor husbandry. It seems to me (from other websites etc) that the UK in general has pretty messed up ideas on proper reptile husbandry (keeping animals on sand, keeping multiple corns together, not feeding a proper diet etc). I know th SSPCA has tried numerous times to 'educate' people on reptile care, obviously this hasn't done any good so they are seeing their only option now as to ban or put serious legislations on reptile keeping. I believe that there other ways around this, but (and I know this first hand) some poeple simply wont listen to good advice and imo, they shouldn't be allowed to keep reptiles. Anyway, this is waaaaaaaay :-offtopic but at least I feel better for the rant! :)
 
Sounds a bit strange to me there so worried about pets while millions of cows, pigs, chickens ect are kept under horrible conditions and die under horrible conditions.

Strange as this may sound, there actually right to speak against keeping pets (Not just snakes in general). All animals would prefer to live free and we really have no right to confine them. No matter how good we may care for them. Though we all know 95% of pet owners could defenately could do better. I know i am wrong myself by keeping hamsters and snakes confined. But i am glad i am able to. Still if you look at it from the viewpoint of animals, and so animal welfare, they would be better of in their natural enviroment. Just my view on it.
 
Jicin said:
All animals would prefer to live free and we really have no right to confine them.
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You tell my dogs it's time to get of the couch and start killing their own food.

You can't be serious. Most animals have been so modified by human intervention that they could not live in the wild. Free the poultry! Free the cows! Wait, where are they going to live? What to eat? Oh, I know, the freed cats can kill the freed birds! The packs of wild dogs can chase the livestock onto the highways killing people and animals. Let's do it now! Great plan!
 
I think what Jicin means is that animals would have prefered to have not been domesticated in the first place. Would a cow rather be in a nice green field of clovers, or in a stinking mud puddle with thousands of other cows packed in like sardines? Would the dogs rather be cooped up in a little yard all day or running around in a forest chasing squirrels? Of course they have come to depend on us, so it would be a little over the top to release them all now.
 
Flygning said:
I think what Jicin means is that animals would have prefered to have not been domesticated in the first place. Would a cow rather be in a nice green field of clovers, or in a stinking mud puddle with thousands of other cows packed in like sardines? Would the dogs rather be cooped up in a little yard all day or running around in a forest chasing squirrels? Of course they have come to depend on us, so it would be a little over the top to release them all now.
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I really think we need to stop using anthropomorphic comparatives. A cow, or a dog or a pig wants a full belly. My dogs have gotten out of thier little yard on occasion. You know what, come dinner time they show up back home. Chasing squirrels is chancy, while the food bowl at my place isn't. Given a choice, they vote with their stomach.
 
Like I said, it is a bit over the top to suggest letting them go now. I'm saying, if a wild dog had the choice between being locked up in a yard or running free, he'd take the running free. Of course a domesticated dog does not want to give up the guaranteed bowl of food. I'm not saying he would. But, I'm sure a cow would want a field of clover over the mud pot any day.
 
This argument would have to be tweaked in order to be effective.

Humans for millennia have domesticated cows, and pig, and dogs. There just isn't such a critter as a "wild cow". I can't speak for the conditions of European feed lots, but cattle in the U.S. are truly "free range" animals. Feedlots are just the final stop (for finishing) before being sold at one of the 7 major cattle markets.

I spend the fall and winter shooting feral hogs that absolutely ravage farmland. Are these "wild hogs"? Nope, they're escaped domestic stock. There are very few large predators in this part of the country so these hog populations explode and eradicate endemic populations of deer, wild turkey, antelope and others. Some win but others loose........

It is important to remember that "life finds a way". (With or without human intervention.
 
The wolf would not want to be caged. Dogs now are sad shadows of wolves. Most would not survive anymore in the wild anymore. They pretty much lost all the instincts. It would not have happened if we never tamed them to begin with.
Think of rabbits in to small cages. Fish, hamsters, birds, cows, horses ect. They would not stand a change if released back in the wild. That doesn't mean 'owning' an animal is beneficial for the animal. It just doesn't know better. We only keep them for our benefits. Either because of meat (cows) money (horse races, dog shows) or simply friends.
Now i do have pets and i love them but it does nag on my consious. It's because it's beneficial for me.

Now us people take all very good care of our pets. We wouldn't be here if we didn't. However we all have heard the tales of animal abuse. Animal rape, murder, downing, neglect, fun, amusement, sport ect. 95%, perhaps even more live a miserable live. By people who just take an animal like they would buy an object, by ignorance (Unforgivable imho. Theres millions of places to learn about pet care. You don't even need internet) or by greed. If pets would be forbidden, perhaps it would be a pity for our 5% (Though i don't doubt even my own snakes would kill for a 1-way ticket to Florida) but a benefit for the other 95%. Wich would be millions and millions of animals.

I think that's what that organisation stands for. Not really to take your pet away from you. But i know i would keep my snakes a big secret if such a law would be passed. And my hamsters to ;)
 
Sounds a bit strange to me there so worried about pets while millions of cows, pigs, chickens ect are kept under horrible conditions and die under horrible conditions
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Your a vegan I assume?

Why do you put your emotions on an animal, and claim that is what they want? It is what you want, not what the animal wants. You need to get that straight.

The reason why we are the higher spieces is because we are intelligent.
 
Krenna said:
The reason why we are the higher spieces is because we are intelligent.
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K,

I assume you're not refering to Quigsy when you say "we", right?? :rolleyes:
 
Jicin said:
But i know i would keep my snakes a big secret if such a law would be passed. And my hamsters to
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Hate to tell you this, but with the above statment, you are contridicting yourself. You say that you are upset about everyone having animals as pets...then you say that if there was a law banning pet, you would still keep them. If you really think that pets are not to be kept, and a law does get passed, then you should be the first person to give them up. But, with you statement you show that you don't fully believe everything that you just said.

I think, that Animal Rights groups (ARG) should cunduct classes on all species of pets on a monthly basis, and that anyone wanting to buy a pet, has to have taken and passed the class. This is based on the same idea that we have here in the states for Hunting. Anyone born after 1971 has to take an education course that goes over normal common sense issues that people don't seem to have, before the person can get a license to hunt. So, the ARG Classes would provide a certificate of conpletion to the person(s) upon completion that would entitle them to obtain the type of pet the class was given on. So in a given month, the ARG's would hold a class for Dogs/Cats, Small Animals, Fish, birds, and finally Anphibians/reptiles/insects. Then you take the class that pertains to the pet that you want.
 
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