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Is this a miami phase?

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What will be the outcome if I cross a male miami with a female amel?
Will I get normal het amel or miami phase het amel or other?
 
That looks like a very nice wild-type normal, although a bit thin. Miami phase is a selectively bred variety of normal that have a light tan or silver ground color. Breeding this snake, or even a Maimi phase, to an amel will produce all normals het amel. Breeding a Miami phase to anything other than another Miami phase (or candy cane, which is the amel version of Miami phase) would be like breeding a Beagle to a German Shepherd and expecting to find puppies that look like purebreds of each. You MAY get sort of close, but it will take generations of selective breeding to refine the puppies back to either breed type.
 
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Hard to say,is it getting ready to shed ?
The second pic makes it look a little like one, but...:shrugs:
 
SnakesRule1234 said:
A (thin) classic.
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Susan said:
That looks like a very nice wild-type normal, although a bit thin. Miami phase is a selectively bred variety of normal that have a light tan or silver ground color. Breeding this snake, or even a Maimi phase, to an amel will produce all normals het amel. Breeding a Miami phase to anything other than another Miami phase (or candy cane, which is the amel version of Miami phase) would be like breeding a Beagle to a German Shepherd and expecting to find puppies that look like purebreds of each. You MAY get sort of close, but it will take generations of selective breeding to refine the puppies back to either breed type.
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Thanks for the information Susan.
Yes I agree that the snake is thin.
Took this snake from my friend few weeks ago.

abell82 said:
Hard to say,is it getting ready to shed ?
The second pic makes it look a little like one, but...:shrugs:
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Yes you are right. It start to shed few days after I took that photo.
Below is its photo after shedding.
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If you ask 4 people what quantifies a Miami phase, you will probably get 5 different answers. Makes it a bit confusing, doesn't it? Everyone seems to have there own opinion.
I have seen much more "classic" looking snakes sold as "Miami Phase".
In my opinion, it is not nearly orange enough to be called a classic.
So I could see calling it a Miami phase. "Wild type" is always safe, as corns can be quite variable. I would recommend, MORE lighting, in the future, as the pic is still quite dark.

Here is One of rich Z's Miami phase:
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Personally I would probably call it a Miami phase. But then I am quite peculiar,
and what do I know? I am sure that many people will disagree.
 
Post-shed, it does look much more like a wild-caught Miami-phase, but it doesn't have the "refined" look of a multi-generation selectively bred Miami-phase such as those produced by Carol.
 
abell82 said:
I have seen much more "classic" looking snakes sold as "Miami Phase".
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So true.

There are Miami snakes that have the look of a Miami phase, others that are more "Classic" looking, and other that are "tweeners". Some folks will call any of these snakes Miami phase.
However, while all may be from the Miami area ... not all are what is known as the "Miami phase".
 
This is more along the lines of what "most" people would consider a Miami. This is a male from Carol Huddleston (IMHO - the QUEEN of Miami's). And he isn't even the prettiest one out there although I personally love him:
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And this is the first snake I ever bought - she was labeled as a "miami phase" although I do not consider her a true Miami.
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I did however breed her to the male above this year hoping to selectively breed the line for the miami color with her thick borders.
 
I don't know how popular of a reply this will turn out to be seeing as how most of the posts on this board deal with morphs and breeding, but I actually perfer the Wild Caught snakes.
I like that Natural Color and agressivness in them. I think the Miami Phase snakes are a beautiful breed of corn. The one pictured here (after shed) is Fantastic !!
 
Spurticus said:
I don't know how popular of a reply this will turn out to be seeing as how most of the posts on this board deal with morphs and breeding, but I actually perfer the Wild Caught snakes.
I like that Natural Color and agressivness in them. I think the Miami Phase snakes are a beautiful breed of corn.
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As far as how popular your reply would be... you simply stated your likes/preference. There's nothing wrong with a personal preference.

Personally, I find beauty in, and love, all Miami Corns ... Wild ones included.:)
However, whenever possible ... & although I have dealt, and do deal, with it .... my preference is to do without aggression.;)
 
Pasodama said:
As far as how popular your reply would be... you simply stated your likes/preference. There's nothing wrong with a personal preference.

Personally, I find beauty in, and love, all Miami Corns ... Wild ones included.:)
However, whenever possible ... & although I have dealt, and do deal, with it .... my preference is to do without aggression.;)
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I think aggressive was the wrong choice of words for sure. I don't think any snake is aggressive by nature. The won't seek to strike or come out of a safe place to strike. They are just defensive and nervous.
I just like the "Attitude" of a wild caught snake more. I wouldn't take anything for the snake I have now, and she has only gotten that "Attitude" with me a couple of times, both when she was getting ready to shed. . . but I just find the defensive nature of them fascinating.
 
I was the same problem with the Miami Phase...absolutly crazy and nerveous.I mantain a pair-in different terrariums-but both are equal.
 
I have two Miamis at the moment. One (Cherry) is the sweetest, most people-loving snake imaginable. And not reclusive- she's out ALL the time. Open her bin- she's ready for a visit! The other, Colorado, (who belongs to Stephanie but is visiting me for a year) is also out all the time. He's very lively, but seems to enjoy coming out, and has never tail-rattled me.

My first corn, though not a Miami, is a LTC. When I found him under a brush pile in my front yard, I had pneumonia, and was delerious from the fever, (which is why I was out doing yard work instead of staying in bed!) and I spied the most beautiful snake I had ever seen. I was barefoot, in my pajamas, and, having never seen a cornsnake before, thought it would be best to pick the snake up with a stick to find out more information. Well, Maize crawled up the stick, into my arms, around my neck, and said "I am so glad you have found me and are here to rescue me from my life in the wild!" A sweeter, more gentle snake you could never find. He even comes when I call him! (If he's in his hide, and I want him to come out to feed or whatever, I knock on his door and he's out, waiting, within a couple minutes!)
 
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