Just what we need.....

[Susan]

In China.... out of lead......

:roflmao: (I'm outta rep.)

I repped him for you as I was also :roflmao:!

 

[Camby]

.........for someone to continue the Cornsnake market rediculous low prices :nope:

Rich's low prices were set in Daytona for one reason and one reason only, because of his retirement and hopefully people understand this, at least I pray to god they do, and this WAS NOT a reflection of the future prices of cornsnake, however with someone else (no names mentioned) continuing these rediculous prices just because they spent more $$$ than what they should have, that IS what people will see and think.

Those Daytona prices are over and done and should stay that way.
It's like they say about Vegas, what happens in Daytona, stays in Datona.


Very concerned Cornsnake Breeder

So, I want to be sure I understand what is "allowed". If I decided I wanted to get out of corns today, I can dump my PS Hypo Bloods, My Terrazzo morphs, my Lava and Lava Morphs all for $50.00 and that is acceptable because I am getting out of them?

This may get me banned, but this year in Daytona was not the first time we saw massive drops in morph prices by a big named breeder (not just Rich). A few breeders have arbitrarily decided certain morphs aren't worth as much anymore and dropped the price even when others were still getting a good price. Sorry, I just don't buy the whole "it is ok this one time" line of thought.

Also, Kudoz Jeff, I agree with you. I promise you, there are several people on here right now defending the ability for others to do as they please and suggesting that it is ok, but I would bet money I don't have that if one of their pet projects was crashed in it's infancy, they would be livid. You know it and I know it.

dc

So, I want to be sure I understand what is "allowed". If I decided I wanted to get out of corns today, I can dump my PS Hypo Bloods, My Terrazzo morphs, my Lava and Lava Morphs all for $50.00 and that is acceptable because I am getting out of them?

This may get me banned, but this year in Daytona was not the first time we saw massive drops in morph prices by a big named breeder (not just Rich). A few breeders have arbitrarily decided certain morphs aren't worth as much anymore and dropped the price even when others were still getting a good price. Sorry, I just don't buy the whole "it is ok this one time" line of thought.

 

[Drizzt80]

but I would bet money I don't have that if one of their pet projects was crashed in it's infancy, they would be livid. You know it and I know it.

So someone, please, anyone, answer my question. Who is the almighty person that is responsible for setting the cornsnake prices and deciding what is and isn't an acceptable price for each morph. Please? I need to speak to them about my Platinums.

D80

 

[KJUN]

So someone, please, anyone, answer my question. Who is the almighty person that is responsible for setting the cornsnake prices and deciding what is and isn't an acceptable price for each morph. Please? I need to speak to them about my Platinums.

D80

Well, if nobody else is gonna volunteer, I'll take the job. :nyah:

What does it PAY? It had better be a lot because I'm sure it'll piss off ALL of the governed body at one time or another.
KJ

 

[Camby]

Walter

I didn't do a good job of stating my point, I should have said this. I also agree with you too Walter. I just was making my point that I don't agree that just because people are getting out of the hobby/buisness should dump tons of high dollar morphs onto the market at bargin basement fire sale prices. The number of animals sold in Daytona at those ridiculous prices are going to hurt the market.

Truth is, these are peoples individual animals and they can do as they please, but a respectable price would be appreciated. It seems that a good deal of Rich's animals are going overseas (I think), I wish they all were.

I can see both sides of this argument, Jeff has put alot of time and work into producing some of the animals he anticipated making a nice margin on. Well, there were a crap load of those dumped at rock bottom prices so there is no longer a market for them so why try and sell an animal for $200 that was sold at Daytona for $50?

I think both sides have valid points. Heck, I have Anery Lava morphs and great amel stripes that I can't sell for $25.00. I guess they are going in the freezer before I sell them for less than that. I am sure several people will blast me for "you would rather kill them than sell them for less than you wanted? yes I would....sorry if you don't understand.

Sorry for not being clearer in my earlier post

dc

dc

 

[Drizzt80]

Truth is, these are peoples individual animals and they can do as they please, but a respectable price would be appreciated. It seems that a good deal of Rich's animals are going overseas (I think), I wish they all were.

FINE! Stop beating around the bush. Who's in charge of establishing that respectable price? I've asked nicely several times already. I said "please" and everything. To be honest, I don't want KJUN running this show. He's from Louisiana for crying out loud.

It sounds very similar to the "sour grapes" Ruth and Caroline and Nette were crying foul in Canada regarding Rebecca importing animals. Interesting that Rich sending stuff overseas is acceptable, but selling out here in the US is bad.

Who's in charge? I need the official set price for my Platinums.

D80

 

[El Jefe]

Who's in charge? I need the official set price for my Platinums.

D80

I'll price them at $100 and Walter will ask $500. I believe the price is somewhere between those. :sidestep:

 

[Camby]

FINE! Stop beating around the bush. Who's in charge of establishing that respectable price? I've asked nicely several times already. I said "please" and everything. To be honest, I don't want KJUN running this show. He's from Louisiana for crying out loud.

It sounds very similar to the "sour grapes" Ruth and Caroline and Nette were crying foul in Canada regarding Rebecca importing animals. Interesting that Rich sending stuff overseas is acceptable, but selling out here in the US is bad.

Who's in charge? I need the official set price for my Platinums.

D80

No sour grapes on my part, I don't have sunkissed and in fact really do not like them. In regards to your question, maybe you didn't pay attention to my post, I gave you the answer. Each individual has the right to sell them for what they want, BUT, if you see 15 adds selling "platinums for say $75-$125, then I would think you would set your price in that range rather than people saying "hey, I bought my platimums for $250 a pair and have aroun $500 in getting them to breeding size, so, my female just laid 15 eggs so I am ok selling them for $50 each so I can still clearing $250 the first year"

I understand your left handed question and I agree with Walter and some of the others on this thread, but truth is there is nothing that can be done to stop anyone from crashing a morph if they so choose.

dc

 

[KJUN]

To be honest, I don't want KJUN running this show. He's from Louisiana for crying out loud.

Just because "my people" can't count to 11 with their shoes on (what are shoes?) is no reason why we can't be in charge of numbers and dollars. Dem d'hair snakes is wort twenty-tree dollars and no pennies.

Interesting that Rich sending stuff overseas is acceptable, but selling out here in the US is bad.

Yeah, I chuckle when I see that posted over and over by so many people. NIMBY at its finest. Sure, I agree with the sentiment, but that does NOT mean I want my foreign customers and friends hurt instead of me. One would hope their importers bump the prices up to help out their business people over there. Of course, that hurts the average buyer, but I gues SOMEONE has to get the short end of the stick.

 

[Drizzt80]

No sour grapes on my part, I don't have sunkissed and in fact really do not like them. In regards to your question, maybe you didn't pay attention to my post, I gave you the answer. Each individual has the right to sell them for what they want, BUT, if you see 15 adds selling "platinums for say $75-$125, then I would think you would set your price in that range rather than people saying "hey, I bought my platimums for $250 a pair and have aroun $500 in getting them to breeding size, so, my female just laid 15 eggs so I am ok selling them for $50 each so I can still clearing $250 the first year"

I understand your left handed question and I agree with Walter and some of the others on this thread, but truth is there is nothing that can be done to stop anyone from crashing a morph if they so choose.

dc

No, you didn't answer my question. You turned it into a "respectable price". Who determines that. There is no obvious answer, and you're right, each person can set their own regardless of the market. Hence, sour grapes.

With the Platinums, Jay and I, are the only two that are currently knowingly (I say knowingly because the matriarch came from Rich, he just didn't know it was homo Anery to boot) producing them. I can't, and won't, get what I think they are worth. Period. If the cornsnake pricing authority would just tell everybody what they are worth, then I'd have a much easier time of selling them especially since I have no competition right now.

D80

PS. Interesting addendum to your latest post about not liking Lavenders.

 

[paigehi]

I kinda like the "Ask Walter, ask Jeff Mohr, take an average" idea. At least, the post made me smile. As somebody who is relatively new to the hobby, I really DO call and ask bigger breeders who I consider friends what they think things are "worth". Problem is, last few months, nobody seems to know!

 

[paigehi]

Two moderators are reading this thread. Why do I feel like I've been caught with my hand in the cookie jar or something?...

Sorry for the OT, mods. Please no smiting.

 

[diamondlil]

Hey from over here!:wavey:
I've read posts on UK forums complaining bitterly about imports of ball python morphs at way below home-produced prices.
My position is that each snake is worth what it can be sold for. It's a market with so many variables and each buyer will have their own criteria and budget too that there isn't ever going to be agreement on set prices for each morph.
Remember Rich's thread about not expecting to turn a profit from breeding corns?

 

[Drizzt80]

Two moderators are reading this thread.

I only see one, and it's "just" Jeff anyways . . . :sidestep: (He's a pretend meany.)

D80

PS.

As somebody who is relatively new to the hobby, I really DO call and ask bigger breeders who I consider friends what they think things are "worth". Problem is, last few months, nobody seems to know!

That's what I've always done regarding my prices. Taken an average of everyone else that I trust as responsible breeders. Problem becomes what do you do when your stuff doesn't sell? :shrugs:

 

[danielle]

I guess if you breed snakes only for money the freezer and overseas sound good so you don't give your profit a booboo, but for those who want to cry foul because a few snakes of several morphs got sold cheap and you paid more please? This whole thing seems so silly really. The market as a whole is feeling a recession and that above and beyond anything else is why the prices of morphs are dropping as higher priced snakes remain unsold. I know it isn't cheap to raise a snake but freezing it if you can't get more than $25 is counterproductive-any return is a return and thats exactly what Rich did- sell as many snakes as he could for a reduced but speedy return.

 

[reptile_jones]

So someone, please, anyone, answer my question. Who is the almighty person that is responsible for setting the cornsnake prices and deciding what is and isn't an acceptable price for each morph. Please? I need to speak to them about my Platinums.

D80

I belive that Obama is going to appoint a snake czar to "help". :sidestep:

 

[CaptBogart]

With the Platinums, Jay and I, are the only two that are currently knowingly (I say knowingly because the matriarch came from Rich, he just didn't know it was homo Anery to boot) producing them. I can't, and won't, get what I think they are worth. Period. If the cornsnake pricing authority would just tell everybody what they are worth, then I'd have a much easier time of selling them especially since I have no competition right now.

D80

PS. Interesting addendum to your latest post about not liking Lavenders.

Wait, aren't prices listed in the Morph Guide? :sidestep:

 

[Roy Munson]

Wait, aren't prices listed in the Morph Guide? :sidestep:

You're bleeping killing me today, Joe. :cheers:

 

[KJUN]

I belive that Obama is going to appoint a snake czar to "help". :sidestep:

Czar KJUN. I like that. Louisiana's base of power into the next election could start that easily. (It isn't like Jindal could be a less successful president that old Zach Taylor was!)

 

[jazzgeek]

Wait, aren't prices listed in the Morph Guide? :sidestep:

Hey, it's the Morph Pamphlet !!!!

In any case..... :bowdown:

This discussion begs the question:

Q: Who here needs to be b!tch-slapped by Adam Smith's Invisible Hand?

A: Whoever the market bears.




Dale