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Kissing your Corn/Reptile? Anyone??

Don't get yourself too worked up about it, kiss your pets on the forehead if you want to, it won't do much damage as long you wash afterwards. I kiss all three of my cats on the head and the nose, I've done it my whole life. They don't seem to mind at all.

My youngest cat Pippin will sit on your shoulder for hours, as he wouldn't leave us alone as a kitten. So we'd have him on our shoulder so we could do other things at the same time lol. He's grown up with it, so he loves it.

Right now about the reptiles... I love 'em of course, but I'm a novice and I don't have enough confidence in handling them to want to kiss them really. I'll hold and stroke them, but apart from that, nothing as of this point.
 
For Salmonella bacteria to spread from reptiles to humans, the bacteria must be ingested. Therefore, simply touching or holding a reptile will not result in spread of bacteria unless something contaminated with reptiles feces or the reptile itself is placed in the mouth.

http://www.arav.org/SalmonellaOwner.htm

Don't eat snake poo or lick or suck on your snake and you should be fine!!

But the thought of letting a dog lick me anywhere, much less on the mouth, makes my skin crawl...

Nanci
 
I think the Salmonella scare is overrated, I mean, does anyone know anyone who got it from their snakes? I keep salmonella on my book shelf.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/fifthevilbunny/finfangfoom/salmonella.jpg

(I got it at science world, though it was too funny)

http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/salmonella.html

That being said, I'd NEVER risk someone else's health, and tell them it's OK to kiss my snake. And I'd never kiss my snakes, or any animal but I think I'm just not an animal kisser. I don't baby talk either, even to actual babies.

I did want to hug FinFang the other night, he was being so cute. Maybe that's a sign my next pet should be a bunny, or something...
 
I've had the urge...

to kiss up Pipmeister...but I'm not going to...since I don't want to get the 'nella...haha...I've had food poisoning before...and I never want to have anything that resembles that again :puke01: .

Oh...I don't think it is abnormal AT ALL :nope: !
 
This may be of some interest..................

In the last 2 years or so there has been an upsurge of interest in the press with regard to reptile-associated zoonoses (i.e. human diseases contracted from reptiles), particularly Salmonella. Various press releases and announcements have appeared in national papers and magazines by various, ill-informed, organisations. Several reptile events have been cancelled due to local councils being bombarded with misinformation over the potential risks of Salmonella. As this may affect you and your members, the following information may be of interest.

The Public Health Laboratory Service (PHLS) and the Communicable Disease Surveillance Center (CDSC) have provided the following information for England and Wales;

1. In 1999, over 17,250 cases of human salmonellosis were reported, and of these only SEVEN cases were confirmed as being contracted from a reptile source. A similar low number of reptile- associated cases were reported the previous year.

2. In 1997 (the latest year for which the PHLSICDSC have provided complete figures) there were far more cases of confirmed zoonotic disease from domestic animals and their food by-products than from reptile sources;

a. Hydatid disease (Echinococcus granulosus) - an intermediate tapeworm that forms cysts in the liver, contracted from ingestion of dog/fox faeces. 14 cases.

b. Toxoplasmosis (Toxoplasma gondii) - a protozoan parasite that can causes abortion in pregnant women and congenital deformity in surviving babies, contracted most commonly from cat faeces. 297 cases.

c. Q fever (Coxiella burnetii) - a bacterial infection most commonly contracted by abattoir workers from infected animals. 69 cases.

d. Psittacosis (Chlamydia psittaci) - a bacterial of disease contracted from infected birds that can cause pneumonia and death. 322 cases.

e. Toxocariasis (Toxocara sp) - a roundworm parasite that can cause blindness, particularly in children, contracted by the ingestion of dog or cat faeces. 20 cases.

f. Leptospirosis (Leptospira spp) - a bacterial septicaemia that can cause meningitis and renal failure from the ingestion of water contaminated with urine from infected animals, especially rats. 39 cases.

g. Lyme disease (Borrelia burgdorferi) -a bacterial infection transmitted by ticks. 170 cases.

In addition, a scientific paper was recently presented by Dorrestein et al at the recent Conference of the European Association of Zoo and Wildlife Veterinarians in Paris (June, 2000). The authors stated that the major Salmonella serotypes that cause human disease are S. enteritidis and S. Typhimurium.

Indeed information provided by our own PHLS and CDSC confirmed that of the' 17,250+ human cases in England and Wales in 1999, 75% were due to these two isolates alone. Dorrestein and co-workers reported S. enterifidis and S. typhimurium a total of 35 times out of a total number of 1156 Salmonella isolates. In my own small study of Salmonella and reptiles, over 46 different Salmonellae were isolated from reptiles but S. enteritidis or S. typhimurfum were never recovered. While all Salmonellae should be considered potentially zoonotic, the facts remain 'that S. enteritidis and S. typhimurium are rare in reptiles and reptile-associated salmonellosis is also, on published accounts, currently rare. It is also possible that where reptiles do possess S. enterifidis and S. typhimurium that such infections are most likely acquired through contact with humans or domestic animal sources, particularly poultry.

Salmonellosis is an intestinal disease that is contracted through the ingestion of faecal (or faecal contaminated) material. It is essential to stress the importance of basic hygiene to avoid disease from any animal, however, there do not appear to be any inherently greater risks associated with the keeping of reptiles than other pets. To prevent problems we would recommend;

a) Simple hand washing using soap and water after handling or cleaning out.

b) Keeping reptiles, their furnishings and associated equipment well away from human food preparation areas. Those persons at particularly high risk such as young children, the elderly and the immunocompromised should consider taking additional precautions and consider carefully the benefits versus the risks of keeping any animal.

We consider the benefits of properly keeping reptile pets far outweighs the potential risks involved. With the current information to hand it appears that you are 2500 times more likely to contract Salmonella from food than from reptiles!

Please make your colleagues and members aware of this information and feel free to copy and circulate this letter in its entirety.

References

Bradley, T. and Angulo, F.J. (1998). Salmonella and Reptiles: Veterinary Guidelines. Bulletin of the Association of reptilian and Amphibian Veterinarians 8(2):14.

Divers, S.J. (1992). An investigation of Salmonella in a population of 73 snakes (Family Boidae and Colubridae) in the United Kingdom. UFAW funded research project. Dorrestein, GM., Buitelaar, M.N., Kik, M., Van Der Hage, M. and Van Leeuwen, W.J. ; 2000). Salmonella spp in reptiles and evaluation of isolates over the period 1971-1998. Proceedings of the European Association of Zog-,md Wildlife Veterinarians, Paris. Pp261-280.

Stephen J. Divers

B. Sc(Hons); B.Vet. Med; D.Zoo. Med (Reptilian); C Biol,. M.I Biol; M. R. C. V. S.

President of the Association of Reptilian and Amphibian Veterinarians

Martin. P. C. Lawton

B. Vet. Med; Cert. V. Ophthal; Cert L.A.S; C Biol: M I. Biol: D.Zoo.Med (Reptilian); F.R. C.V.S.

President of the British Veterinary Zoological Society


Bye for now,

Jim
 
I see your point, but most people don't kiss their reptiles and know to wash their hands and handling, etc. If we changed our handling hygiene as hobbyists and all started rubbing our lips on our snakes, I suspect the incidence of salmonella contraction would increase. I'm not paranoid about salmonella by any means. I don't always remember to wash my hands after handling the snakes, and I don't get concerned if they crawl on my face for a minute. But I do not rub my lips on them. That's just asking for trouble. I haven't had salmonella, but I had campylobactor once, and I have never been so sick in my life, and I never want to be that sick again.
 
I think I'm kind of weird but I kind of do kiss and hug my snakes... I don't worry about salmonella... I'm not THAT weird. I just love them alot and I can't help my self at times..
I actually do it to all animals I like, not cats (bad accident when I was 6) usually dogs, bunnies... At times when I look at mice fuzzies I give them a little hug and good-bye. :sobstory:
 
v_various said:
I think the Salmonella scare is overrated, I mean, does anyone know anyone who got it from their snakes? I keep salmonella on my book shelf.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v333/fifthevilbunny/finfangfoom/salmonella.jpg

:-offtopic

HAHAHA! I gave those out for Christmas one year. My stepmom (who's anemic) got a red blood cell, my roommate got syphilis, my sisters got the plague and flesh eating disease, and I gave my then-current boyfriend gonorrhea. :)

I know the chances of getting anything from our snakes is slim, but personally I prefer not to take the risk. Knowing my luck, I would get it. On my other animals- I don't kiss the rats, but I do kiss my cat. I figure she spends more time with her personal hygiene than I do...

And I pet my fish. The cichlids love it. I am really meticulous about washing hands or using hand sanitizer.
 
I've always been an animal lover, and I give my pets hugs and kisses and nuzzles all the time. Now, my snake is still far too small to be given kisses, and I'm not sure if I will ever give him kisses. But as far as my dog goes, she'll get more love out of me than anything else :p She loves to give me puppy kisses... In the canine world, licking behavior, especially to the face, is a sign that your dog recognizes you as the leader, and is showing you respect. :X
 
It is kind of funny I know it is out there but I worry more about the meat we purchase nowadays and it being cooked properly..or has your waiter or cook washed their hands prior to serving you;)

I just wash my hands like mad when working with all my pets since I have so many different species in our house it takes over an hour every am to feed everyone and clean cages..so by the time I'm done I have dish panned hands and havent even touched a dish.

But I adore my pets and snuggle with them all but no kissing on the mouth..Except for a few..My Birds love to give kisses and we have been very fortunate with no :puke01: in our house..just lots of bleach and sanitizers:)
 
A couple of years ago in the UK, a toddler died of salmonella. The strain was traced back to the family iguana, at which point the parents admitted that the toddler was routinely allowed to kiss it goodnight.

Unless you can be sure that your reptile hasn't come into contact with its own faeces (on the substrate, hides etc), than I wouldn't risk putting my lips anywhere near them.

Let's face it, most of us work, go to school/college and aren't able to immediately clean up any poop as soon as it appears.

Be careful out there.
 
I never kissed any of my pets... lizards, tortoises, or dogs :p And it won't be any different for my future snakes. For my old dog it was because I didn't know what he's been eating or where he's been when he goes outside, but with my reptiles, I was just afraid of getting salmonella. After handling, I always sanitize my hands with Wipe Out 3 Hand Sanitizer, let it dry, then wash my hands with soap and water.
 
Hey guys thanks for all the replies...I am standing by all the vivs waiting for poos now! What a life! Right? Like picking up the dog & pig poo daily is not enough in the backyard...hehe I love every minute of it! Would not change it for the World! :crazy02:

Welp Dani had a beautiful complete shed! Woo Hoo, so I will be loving on him tonight...hehe No frenchies, he's still too young for that. :grin01: And Cindy had hers, but she goes straight for my pony tail ewwww would hate to get poo there! YIKES! Wonder if you have to bleach your hair? Now that's another thread..lol

Its been fun! Later Gators...
 
Petsnakes said:
This may be of some interest..................

In the last 2 years or so there has been an upsurge of interest in the press with regard to reptile-associated zoonoses (i.e. human diseases contracted from reptiles), particularly Salmonella. Various press releases and announcements have appeared in national papers and magazines by various, ill-informed, organisations. Several reptile events have been cancelled due to local councils being bombarded with misinformation over the potential risks of Salmonella. As this may affect you and your members, the following information may be of interest.

The Public Health Laboratory Service (PHLS) and the Communicable Disease Surveillance Center (CDSC) have provided the following information for England and Wales;

1. In 1999, over 17,250 cases of human salmonellosis were reported, and of these only SEVEN cases were confirmed as being contracted from a reptile source. A similar low number of reptile- associated cases were reported the previous year.

2. In 1997 (the latest year for which the PHLSICDSC have provided complete figures) there were far more cases of confirmed zoonotic disease from domestic animals and their food by-products than from reptile sources;

a. Hydatid disease (Echinococcus granulosus) - an intermediate tapeworm that forms cysts in the liver, contracted from ingestion of dog/fox faeces. 14 cases.

b. Toxoplasmosis (Toxoplasma gondii) - a protozoan parasite that can causes abortion in pregnant women and congenital deformity in surviving babies, contracted most commonly from cat faeces. 297 cases.

c. Q fever (Coxiella burnetii) - a bacterial infection most commonly contracted by abattoir workers from infected animals. 69 cases.

d. Psittacosis (Chlamydia psittaci) - a bacterial of disease contracted from infected birds that can cause pneumonia and death. 322 cases.

e. Toxocariasis (Toxocara sp) - a roundworm parasite that can cause blindness, particularly in children, contracted by the ingestion of dog or cat faeces. 20 cases.

f. Leptospirosis (Leptospira spp) - a bacterial septicaemia that can cause meningitis and renal failure from the ingestion of water contaminated with urine from infected animals, especially rats. 39 cases.

g. Lyme disease (Borrelia burgdorferi) -a bacterial infection transmitted by ticks. 170 cases.

In addition, a scientific paper was recently presented by Dorrestein et al at the recent Conference of the European Association of Zoo and Wildlife Veterinarians in Paris (June, 2000). The authors stated that the major Salmonella serotypes that cause human disease are S. enteritidis and S. Typhimurium.

Indeed information provided by our own PHLS and CDSC confirmed that of the' 17,250+ human cases in England and Wales in 1999, 75% were due to these two isolates alone. Dorrestein and co-workers reported S. enterifidis and S. typhimurium a total of 35 times out of a total number of 1156 Salmonella isolates. In my own small study of Salmonella and reptiles, over 46 different Salmonellae were isolated from reptiles but S. enteritidis or S. typhimurfum were never recovered. While all Salmonellae should be considered potentially zoonotic, the facts remain 'that S. enteritidis and S. typhimurium are rare in reptiles and reptile-associated salmonellosis is also, on published accounts, currently rare. It is also possible that where reptiles do possess S. enterifidis and S. typhimurium that such infections are most likely acquired through contact with humans or domestic animal sources, particularly poultry.

Salmonellosis is an intestinal disease that is contracted through the ingestion of faecal (or faecal contaminated) material. It is essential to stress the importance of basic hygiene to avoid disease from any animal, however, there do not appear to be any inherently greater risks associated with the keeping of reptiles than other pets. To prevent problems we would recommend;

a) Simple hand washing using soap and water after handling or cleaning out.

b) Keeping reptiles, their furnishings and associated equipment well away from human food preparation areas. Those persons at particularly high risk such as young children, the elderly and the immunocompromised should consider taking additional precautions and consider carefully the benefits versus the risks of keeping any animal.

We consider the benefits of properly keeping reptile pets far outweighs the potential risks involved. With the current information to hand it appears that you are 2500 times more likely to contract Salmonella from food than from reptiles!

Please make your colleagues and members aware of this information and feel free to copy and circulate this letter in its entirety.

References

Bradley, T. and Angulo, F.J. (1998). Salmonella and Reptiles: Veterinary Guidelines. Bulletin of the Association of reptilian and Amphibian Veterinarians 8(2):14.

Divers, S.J. (1992). An investigation of Salmonella in a population of 73 snakes (Family Boidae and Colubridae) in the United Kingdom. UFAW funded research project. Dorrestein, GM., Buitelaar, M.N., Kik, M., Van Der Hage, M. and Van Leeuwen, W.J. ; 2000). Salmonella spp in reptiles and evaluation of isolates over the period 1971-1998. Proceedings of the European Association of Zog-,md Wildlife Veterinarians, Paris. Pp261-280.

Stephen J. Divers

B. Sc(Hons); B.Vet. Med; D.Zoo. Med (Reptilian); C Biol,. M.I Biol; M. R. C. V. S.

President of the Association of Reptilian and Amphibian Veterinarians

Martin. P. C. Lawton

B. Vet. Med; Cert. V. Ophthal; Cert L.A.S; C Biol: M I. Biol: D.Zoo.Med (Reptilian); F.R. C.V.S.

President of the British Veterinary Zoological Society


Bye for now,

Jim

Great post,very interesting. Thanks :wavey:
 
I don't, for one very simple reason:

"Hmm...when was the last time s/he pooped in the water and how long did they swim in it before I found it?"
 
Well I'm bad about kissing my birds and my rodents, but that's it.
Especially being pregnant there's like gigantic warning signs concerning pregnant women and reptiles, by their feeling I shouldn't even be owning them right now.
But that doesn't stop me from "cuddling" with them.
 
Corny Noob said:
Well I'm bad about kissing my birds and my rodents, but that's it.
Especially being pregnant there's like gigantic warning signs concerning pregnant women and reptiles, by their feeling I shouldn't even be owning them right now.
But that doesn't stop me from "cuddling" with them.

Eh... by most people's standards, NO ONE should have reptiles. I've told people I have snakes and had them ask "Is that SAFE?!?" :nope:
 
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