Kyle's KINGS

[tyflier]

And just so there is no confusion, Mike, I NEVER said that it wasn't a hybrid. I merely pointed out the fact that it is impossible to be certain from a photograph.

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Save these. You evidently need them...

 

[ForkedTung]

However, I did find your comment to Kyle that you would "get rid of her" just because she may not be pure alterna extremely rude and condescending. Who cares if she isn't pure alterna? If Kyle at least knows that now and can make his decisions and judgments accordingly - if he still likes her and wants to breed her - then that is his choice. Not everyone has to be a "purist".

Mike insulted me in another thread with a perverted comment and I called him on it and reported it and told him I did so via PM which he did not respond to, so I avoided that thread. Now he's here making judgments and giving negative opinions about me in a thread I created to showcase a few of my animals. I'd really appreciate it if he quit stalking my threads and asking members if I'd seen any of his comments directed at me in the thread I left because of him, I'm pretty disgusted with his whole attitude and thought it was clear that I want nothing to do with him.

 

[ForkedTung]

GREAT looking snakes, Kyle!!! I won't say send me "this one" or "that one"... 'cause I want them ALL!!!!

Thanks Fred! I appreciate it!!!!

 

[tyflier]

Mike insulted me in another thread with a perverted comment and I called him on it and reported it and told him I did so via PM which he did not respond to, so I avoided that thread. Now he's here making judgments and giving negative opinions about me in a thread I created to showcase a few of my animals. I'd really appreciate it if he quit stalking my threads and asking members if I'd seen any of his comments directed at me in the thread I left because of him, I'm pretty disgusted with his whole attitude and thought it was clear that I want nothing to do with him.

Well, his very first response was condescending, and didn't even address your gorgeous snakes. It was only taking a jab at you. And he's been jabbing at you as often as he can, so I understand your disgust...

Unfortunately, until he actually crosses the line and breaks the rules...there isn't a lot that can be done, which, trust me...I am thankful for, otherwise I would be long gone from here...

You gotta take the bad with the good. Some people will always insist they are better/smarter/"righter" than everyone else, no matter how glaringly wrong they are...

 

[mike17l]

http://www.southwesternherp.com/snakes/alterna.html

None of those animals look remotely like "Arizona".

Mike insulted me in another thread with a perverted comment and I called him on it and reported it and told him I did so via PM which he did not respond to, so I avoided that thread. Now he's here making judgments and giving negative opinions about me in a thread I created to showcase a few of my animals. I'd really appreciate it if he quit stalking my threads and asking members if I'd seen any of his comments directed at me in the thread I left because of him, I'm pretty disgusted with his whole attitude and thought it was clear that I want nothing to do with him.

I have not insulted you or made any condescending remarks in this thread. I pointed out that "Arizona" is a hybrid. As an alterna breeder (and some one who has collected them in the field) I was merely letting you know what you had, just as I would if someone posted a picture or a rootbeer or creamsicle or jungle corn and did not know it was a hybrid.

This has nothing to do with your report, but if you would like to talk about that, feel free to do it in the thread that it is discussed in, I am not trying to take away from the rest of the kings you have pictured. As a matter of fact, I think "Texas" looks pretty cool.

Well, his very first response was condescending, and didn't even address your gorgeous snakes. It was only taking a jab at you. And he's been jabbing at you as often as he can, so I understand your disgust...

Unfortunately, until he actually crosses the line and breaks the rules...there isn't a lot that can be done, which, trust me...I am thankful for, otherwise I would be long gone from here...

You gotta take the bad with the good. Some people will always insist they are better/smarter/"righter" than everyone else, no matter how glaringly wrong they are...

Actually I did address one of his snakes, you may have missed it. And, again, I have yet to cross the line or even get near it, I have told no one to kill them self, I have not called anyone "retarded", nor have I threatened violence on anyone. But, I digress, that is better discussed in another thread.
And, "Arizona" is a hybrid.

 

[tyflier]

None of those animals look remotely like "Arizona".

You're absolutely right...they don't. Ironically enough they don't look like each other, either, do they...
:nope:

I have not insulted you or made any condescending remarks in this thread. I pointed out that "Arizona" is a hybrid. As an alterna breeder (and some one who has collected them in the field) I was merely letting you know what you had, just as I would if someone posted a picture or a rootbeer or creamsicle or jungle corn and did not know it was a hybrid.

Your STILL being condescending by STILL insisting that you know, for certain, that Arizona is a hybrid, and the FACT remains that you simply cannot know that. Period. You didn't breed this snake and you don't know who did. Therefor you simply cannot KNOW anything about it's lineage. Get over yourself. Your continued insistance that your opinion is fact, when it CLEARLY is not is condescending in and of itself. It's also very insulting. So stop it.

This has nothing to do with your report, but if you would like to talk about that, feel free to do it in the thread that it is discussed in, I am not trying to take away from the rest of the kings you have pictured. As a matter of fact, I think "Texas" looks pretty cool.

It has everything to do with your arrogant and condescending attitude towards ForkedTung specifically. And this is the first time in this topic that you actually said anything nice about the snakes pictured.

Actually I did address one of his snakes, you may have missed it. And, again, I have yet to cross the line or even get near it, I have told no one to kill them self, I have not called anyone "retarded", nor have I threatened violence on anyone. But, I digress, that is better discussed in another thread.

Well...I DID call Limbaugha retard. You at least got that one correct. Shall I gather more definitions for you?

And, "Arizona" is a hybrid.

Possibly. But anyone with half a brain will tell you that you'll never know for certain because it's impossible...

 

[tyflier]

Non-Feeding Alterna phase generic Grey banded Kings - $50-75
Feeding Alterna phase generic Grey banded Kings - $75-100
Non-Feeding Blairs phase generic Grey banded Kings - $40-60
Feeding Blairs phase generic Grey banded Kings - $60-80

You're kidding with these prices, right? Non-feeding generics for $75?? That's a typo, right? HALF that price would be too much for a non-feeding generic. :bang:

Let me know if you need any alterna, Mike. I'll get you established locality animals for the same price as your non-feeding generics...:shrugs:

BTW...April 2009 has come and gone. Don't you have better things to do than pretend you know everything?

 

[mike17l]

You're kidding with these prices, right? Non-feeding generics for $75?? That's a typo, right? HALF that price would be too much for a non-feeding generic. :bang:

Let me know if you need any alterna, Mike. I'll get you established locality animals for the same price as your non-feeding generics...:shrugs:

BTW...April 2009 has come and gone. Don't you have better things to do than pretend you know everything?

How does this have anything to do with the discussion at hand? How do my prices or website have anything to do with a hybrid alterna? I still have not said I know everything, there are many areas that I am ignorant about, such as photography techniques, I am not going to argue about them. But What I do know is that "Arizona" is a hybrid, and if you cannot see that, then I would never buy (nor would anyone I know in "alterna culture") buy an alterna from you.

 

[ForkedTung]

I'm going to have to request to close this thread because Mike just doesn't get it
You're not welcome here!!!!

 

[tyflier]

How does this have anything to do with the discussion at hand? How do my prices or website have anything to do with a hybrid alterna? I still have not said I know everything, there are many areas that I am ignorant about, such as photography techniques, I am not going to argue about them. But What I do know is that "Arizona" is a hybrid, and if you cannot see that, then I would never buy (nor would anyone I know in "alterna culture") buy an alterna from you.

You seem to have a "disconnect" goiung on Mike. I never said she wasn't a hybrid. If you can show me where I said she was not a hybrid, I will bow down and kiss the ground you walk on. But you can't because I never said it.

And again...the ONLY point I am making is that you cannot know. Very simple, really. Does she look like she might be? Yup. She sure does. Does that mean she absolutely, without a doubt, 100% is? Nope. Not even close. You can argue that all you want, it doesn't change it one iota.

And I used your site and pricelist simply because you used "I'm an alterna breeder" as a basis for your "knowledge". Well...an "alterna breeder" should know that those prices are ridiculous. I don't know ANYONE that would pay those prices for those snakes. So much for what you "know"...

The bottom line is you are claiming to know something, for fact, which simply cannot be known for a fact. It's an opinion. Nothing more. Doesn't matter how many people share your opinion. It's still just an opinion. And that's the part that you just cannot seem to comprehend...

 

[tyflier]

Mike, the reality is...you can be pretty sure she is a hybrid. You can assume she is a hybrid. You can even err on the side of caution and CALL her a hybrid, and I wouldn't argue with you about it, because she looks like she might be.

The ONLY point I am making is that you, and anyone else, simply cannot be 100% certain without knowing the genetic lineage. Period. That's it.

Your opinion, as much as it pains me to say it...is valid. She looks like she might have hybrid blood. But it's an opinion, not a fact, and you should state it as such, rather than pretending you know more than anyone else on the subject, and stating it as a fact...which you have done and continue to do.

All of the rest of this...is nonsense. It's personal grudges against me and Kyle, and you know it. So just let it die. I don't even care if you eat the crow and admit it's just an opinion at this point. Just leave it be.

 

[Kokopelli]

L.Mexicana is a problematic complex... especially Thayeri's who can actually look exactly like Arizona at times, and in their black phase as MBK's...
The "hybrid" banner rises every now and then... don't take it too hard. Good looking kings, I love the L.Mexicana complex