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starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
I pick mine up by the middle of their bodies, someimes cradling their bum.
Or against my chest.
Or sometimes they travel sitting on my shoulders.
I would NEVER EVER pick them up by their tails, not even the base of the tail.
Better yet, use a C02 chamber.
Falling asleep with no fear and no pain is MUCH more preferable to having my head violently bashed in, even in a "quick short motion".
That's not monster-like at all.....
And I'm with Jenstar...
these things don't need to be described in all their disgusting detail.
Or against my chest.
Or sometimes they travel sitting on my shoulders.
I would NEVER EVER pick them up by their tails, not even the base of the tail.
Better yet, use a C02 chamber.
Falling asleep with no fear and no pain is MUCH more preferable to having my head violently bashed in, even in a "quick short motion".
That's not monster-like at all.....
And I'm with Jenstar...
these things don't need to be described in all their disgusting detail.
Unless you breed your own (which you probably do) or the pet store is selling them as fancy pet rats, you really should handle them by the tail. =( It really doesn't hurt them, I promise.
However, I will say that walking around with rats on your shoulder/head/pocket is probably one of the most fun and adorable things ever. I actually get in "trouble" (aka amuse my PI) at the lab for sticking them in my lab coat instead of transporting them according to regulation, haha.
However, I will say that walking around with rats on your shoulder/head/pocket is probably one of the most fun and adorable things ever. I actually get in "trouble" (aka amuse my PI) at the lab for sticking them in my lab coat instead of transporting them according to regulation, haha.
Bah! I need to learn how to edit these darn posts.
Anyway, the reason is because some rats get very scared from being transported and might bite. Some pet stores don't handle their feeder rats at all, so they're afraid of human contact.
That's why they're handled by the tail a lot of the time.
Anyway, the reason is because some rats get very scared from being transported and might bite. Some pet stores don't handle their feeder rats at all, so they're afraid of human contact.
That's why they're handled by the tail a lot of the time.
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
I don't breed my own.
I don't have any snakes that eat rats (27 corns, 7 rosy boas). I got rid of my balls because I won't feed even f/t rats....they looked too much like my pets...
Mine are strictly pets.
Mine are very used to being shuttled about from room to room.
They are handled and played with everyday.
They come when called and willingly jump into my arms.
I get them as babies and spend time socializing them.
In 2 weeks or less I can turn a frightened feeder into a lovebug, no worries there.
I don't have any snakes that eat rats (27 corns, 7 rosy boas). I got rid of my balls because I won't feed even f/t rats....they looked too much like my pets...
Mine are strictly pets.
Mine are very used to being shuttled about from room to room.
They are handled and played with everyday.
They come when called and willingly jump into my arms.
I get them as babies and spend time socializing them.
In 2 weeks or less I can turn a frightened feeder into a lovebug, no worries there.
v_various
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But it isn't a good idea in any way shape or form - just go onto a rat/mouse fanciers/rescuers form and mention you pick them up by the tail. Degloving is SERIOUS business with those guys, and they will chew you a new one. And rightfully so.
You guys need to learn more about rodents -_-
Chip
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Considering that I have worked with rats and mice for three years under government regulation, I think I know quite a bit about them, thank you. And according to the guidelines of the Institutional Animal Care and Use Committee (IACUC), large rodents are to be handled by the base of the tail if you are moving them only from place to place (obviously you are not going to stand around like this-- I imagined it would be common sense). You cannot deglove an animal if you are holding it properly, unless you are swinging it and holding the very tip.
I'm amazed at how quickly people are to get defensive and rude in this forum. Really guys. Let's have an adult discussion. =/
I'm amazed at how quickly people are to get defensive and rude in this forum. Really guys. Let's have an adult discussion. =/
Jadie.Glitch
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I agree. That attack was uncalled for. He was simply relating an awful story about something that happened to him.
At the time he was probably thinking "My snake is hungry and this thing already hurt him. Great now I have to do the deed myself". Then he proceeded to stun, and SURPRISINGLY (not INTENTIONALLY) the rat was de-gloved.
Accident. Plain and simple. He probably felt terrible about it too. I know I would.
Chasing someone away from this place and insulting everyone else doesn't change the fact that it happened, it just makes EVERYONE feel bad, not just you.
Now if he said something like "Haha, it was so funny! I think I'll do it again just to see it!" THEN you could complain. Heck, I'd be flaming right along with you.
Pick and choose your battles. Life will be a lot easier on you and everyone else if you live by that.
On a different note: I'm glad that you care so deeply for rats. A lot of people hate them for no real reason. Every animal deserves to be loved, and your rats are very lucky to have someone to care about them so much. I had a couple of them when I was in highschool (Fat Albert and Prince Charles) and they were very smart and nice. I personally think rats are some of the smartest rodents out there so I can empathize with your concern for them...
At the time he was probably thinking "My snake is hungry and this thing already hurt him. Great now I have to do the deed myself". Then he proceeded to stun, and SURPRISINGLY (not INTENTIONALLY) the rat was de-gloved.
Accident. Plain and simple. He probably felt terrible about it too. I know I would.
Chasing someone away from this place and insulting everyone else doesn't change the fact that it happened, it just makes EVERYONE feel bad, not just you.
Now if he said something like "Haha, it was so funny! I think I'll do it again just to see it!" THEN you could complain. Heck, I'd be flaming right along with you.
Pick and choose your battles. Life will be a lot easier on you and everyone else if you live by that.
On a different note: I'm glad that you care so deeply for rats. A lot of people hate them for no real reason. Every animal deserves to be loved, and your rats are very lucky to have someone to care about them so much. I had a couple of them when I was in highschool (Fat Albert and Prince Charles) and they were very smart and nice. I personally think rats are some of the smartest rodents out there so I can empathize with your concern for them...
starsevol
Cohabbing is cruelty...
See, it's like this...
anytime I perceive cruelty towards ANY animal, but especially a creature that is one of my favorite species, I WILL attack. And I'm not sorry for it.
But I believe that we worked out many posts ago that the post that got my temper up did not tell the whole story.
I read the post, got upset, and asked the poster if he was normally a monster. I believe that anyone who engages in animal cruelty is a monster, but I think we have pretty much worked out that this person is no monster. Now if he had only told the whole story, or not described the details of this tragic event at all, then the following ugliness would have never occurred.
Moving on.....
anytime I perceive cruelty towards ANY animal, but especially a creature that is one of my favorite species, I WILL attack. And I'm not sorry for it.
But I believe that we worked out many posts ago that the post that got my temper up did not tell the whole story.
I read the post, got upset, and asked the poster if he was normally a monster. I believe that anyone who engages in animal cruelty is a monster, but I think we have pretty much worked out that this person is no monster. Now if he had only told the whole story, or not described the details of this tragic event at all, then the following ugliness would have never occurred.
Moving on.....
Chip
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Your perception was WRONG though! A simple "mea culpa" goes a long way.
Oh, so it's all his fault.
Jadie.Glitch
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Hugs and candy for everyone!!
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Chip
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People, people... woah.
1. Accidents happen. Doesn't make them right or wrong-- they do. Get over it.
2. This is a public thread in a public forum: all people are entitled to chime in if it isn't a private message.
3. Chill out. Really. This was not the purpose of the thread. Meaningful debate is one thing. Petty qualms are another.
Let's not get cranky. Be happy!
1. Accidents happen. Doesn't make them right or wrong-- they do. Get over it.
2. This is a public thread in a public forum: all people are entitled to chime in if it isn't a private message.
3. Chill out.
Really. This was not the purpose of the thread. Meaningful debate is one thing. Petty qualms are another.Let's not get cranky. Be happy!
Chip
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I'm actually quite happy. And a "fan" of rats. This is a public forum, as you pointed out, and I'm simply chiming in. I've been around rats, snakes, and the Internet way too long to get bent over an asinine statement or 3.
alan
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Hey Ashley, I've been feeding my snake fresh killed for a while. I started to worry when the mice had to be large, I didn't want my snake hurt.
It seemed to me that if you weren't going to use CO2 to kill them you should use cervical dislocation so I've been doing that way. I don't think I could be an advocate of "whacking", it seems a bit uncertain to me.
Every one of the little guys I kill reminds me of Stewart, I'd like to make sure they go out quickly.
It seemed to me that if you weren't going to use CO2 to kill them you should use cervical dislocation so I've been doing that way. I don't think I could be an advocate of "whacking", it seems a bit uncertain to me.
Every one of the little guys I kill reminds me of Stewart, I'd like to make sure they go out quickly.
Hey!
It's been a long time since I've live-fed, and it was always with rats when I did. (Cornelius only eats frozen mice, thank goodness) Cervical dislocation is certainly the best method on mice if you don't have a CO2 chamber, but it's a lot more difficult on a rat. I'm so glad you brought it up though-- you're absolutely right, CD is the best way to go on mice.
I'm curious-- have you ever been able to do CD on a rat?
It's been a long time since I've live-fed, and it was always with rats when I did. (Cornelius only eats frozen mice, thank goodness) Cervical dislocation is certainly the best method on mice if you don't have a CO2 chamber, but it's a lot more difficult on a rat. I'm so glad you brought it up though-- you're absolutely right, CD is the best way to go on mice.
I'm curious-- have you ever been able to do CD on a rat?