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Live Feeding

Look, I belong to and am active on 5 different herp boards and I see this debate over and over again.... Let me say this....

when someone brings up the subject, give the facts as you see them and then let it go. This thread can easily become 300 pages of going back and forth and all you have is a bunch of bickering that will be personal attacks like we are seeing now...

Think about it,we have gone from live feeding to hunting, to whether the care for pets should be on the same level as children, etc.... what's next? People get their feelings hurt and start attacking each other. No one is going to change anyone else opinion by the arguing, state the reason why you are for or against it and that is that. Nothing else gets productive for anything.
 
ssmith_1187 said:
Indeed I do...would I put my snake before my children, no. However, the care and well being of my snake is something I do take very seriously, unlike others.



Apparently so...geeze Dale :grin01:

Regards,
Steve
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I do take care of my snakes seriously, and I can see not as seriously as others here. Which is fine, different people put priority on different things, and the level of priority also seems to range by the people.

In a hierarchy of needs, my needs come before my snakes, and my snakes needs come before the needs of the food I feed it.

Its like what they say on an airplane, but the mask on yourself then your child

I used the word NEED not WANT
 
HaisseM said:
Can you guarantee that when you try to break its' neck, it do it on the first try? and ALMOST instant death still means the animal feels some type of pain :(
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I'm pretty sure I could, the question is whether the poor mouse would be in one piece at the end, but I haven't had to, because I'm have no trouble feeding f/t and don't plan on feeding anything other than f/t.

Almost instant is certainly quicker than being suffocated by a constrictor, and minimizing pain, even for mice, is something I consider very important.
 
HaisseM said:
I do take care of my snakes seriously, and I can see not as seriously as others here. Which is fine, different people put priority on different things, and the level of priority also seems to range by the people.

In a hierarchy of needs, my needs come before my snakes, and my snakes needs come before the needs of the food I feed it.

Its like what they say on an airplane, but the mask on yourself then your child

I used the word NEED not WANT
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So, with the utmost respect, I have to ask.
Does your need to co-habitate come before your snakes need to live alone?
 
starsevol said:
So, with the utmost respect, I have to ask.
Does your need to co-habitate come before your snakes need to live alone?
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Post that on the other thread, leave that debate off this one
 
starsevol said:
So, with the utmost respect, I have to ask.
Does your need to co-habitate come before your snakes need to live alone?
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now, do you mean that he is co-habitating with someone or that he has his snakes co-habitating together? :rolleyes:
 
starsevol said:
Well, you did use one of my quotes from THAT thread in THIS one.......
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True, but it was just to show how you try and make snide comments. I'm more than happy to address the whole co-hab thing, but doing it here, would be unfair to this topic
 
hartsock said:
now, do you mean that he is co-habitating with someone or that he has his snakes co-habitating together? :rolleyes:
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His male/female pair lives in one viv 24/7.
 
hartsock said:
now, do you mean that he is co-habitating with someone or that he has his snakes co-habitating together? :rolleyes:
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LOL... I'm a grown man, thats none of your business (yes I'm joking, it's just LOL was " 1. The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters."
 
I'm new to this but f/t and live mice aren't any different. They contain the same nutrients, so why take the chance of hurting your snake with live? You won't be releasing him into the wild so he has no need to practice killing his prey. If he's reached 5.5 ft on f/t, I'd say you stick to them.
 
jamay said:
I'm new to this but f/t and live mice aren't any different. They contain the same nutrients, so why take the chance of hurting your snake with live? You won't be releasing him into the wild so he has no need to practice killing his prey. If he's reached 5.5 ft on f/t, I'd say you stick to them.
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Live mice and f/t mice ARE different. Freezing DOES reduce the nutritional value of the prey item, and the longer it's frozen the more the value is reduced. The difference is marginal, but I thought I'd bring it up...

And while I'm playing devil's advocate, I'd like to point out that your snake doesn't require practice to subdue prey after a long periond of captivity. A hungry snake knows how to take care of a live prey item of suitable size despite X number of years in captivity.

Except for my picky rosy boa baby, the other 100+ snakes around here all get f/t, and they love it. :)
 
just two cents, for what it's worth...two cents...

I've never been able to even want to feed "stunned" prey...They're mice and all, so either if they are live life is gonna suck for them real soon anyhow; why make it worse? Or they are dead, and it's so much less stressful for all involved. If you have to feed live, to a corn, it will know what to do. You can monitor the situation with tongs or hemos if the mouse gets in a position to bite, and you don't have to feed them jumbo sized, super-mouse (you know, with biiiig pointy fangs)...
 
Roy Munson said:
Live mice and f/t mice ARE different. Freezing DOES reduce the nutritional value of the prey item, and the longer it's frozen the more the value is reduced. The difference is marginal, but I thought I'd bring it up...
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Really? Are you basing that on nutritional values of other meat when frozen or has there actually been a study done on mice/rats concerning this? I am not challanging what you said, just never heard of that and I tend to want to be a sponge when it comes to snake knowledge....thanks!
 
cka said:
(you know, with biiiig pointy fangs)...
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LOL Chris...are you talking about mice or the legendary Rabbit of Caerbannog, with nasty big pointy teeth?

regards,
Tim The Enchanter




 

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I haven't seen this mentioned in this thread, but the original poster is from the UK.

Feeding live is against the law in the UK, unless its a problem feeder that refuses to eat anything else.

I apologise if this has been covered, but it's a huge thread. =)
 
HaisseM said:
That's where we disagree, I don't consider a dog/cat/snake/mouse etc to be on the same level as a parent/spouse/child (human being) And I would assume you feel the same way unless you are a vegan and even then their are points to disagree on, but thats a another conversation.
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Ok I got tired of reading the bickering back and forth but here is where I stopped reading and decided to comment. I'm a "mommy" (lol) to many animals and I'm gravid (lol again) soon to be mommy to a human.
I am not vegan (where the **** did you pull that one out of?) And I think being responsible for any other life is important.
If you chose to make yourself responsible you're dutiful to give them the best care you possibly can.

Period
:)
 
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