• Hello!

    Either you have not registered on this site yet, or you are registered but have not logged in. In either case, you will not be able to use the full functionality of this site until you have registered, and then logged in after your registration has been approved.

    Registration is FREE, so please register so you can participate instead of remaining a lurker....

    Please be certain that the location field is correctly filled out when you register. All registrations that appear to be bogus will be rejected. Which means that if your location field does NOT match the actual location of your registration IP address, then your registration will be rejected.

    Sorry about the strictness of this requirement, but it is necessary to block spammers and scammers at the door as much as possible.

Maybe viv's can be TOO roomy...

Gralena hasn't even posted on this forum for like 10 days. Aren't we kinda beating a dead horse at this point? Especially since she has already explained that the 5 gallon was only going to be temporary quarters for this snake. I've kept 24 gram sized snakes in sterilite shoeboxes that are even smaller.
 
Well 5 gallon or 20L..as long as she's eatting good and is in good health then there is nothing wrong with the situation..So I'm glad she is out more and can't wait to see your new bigger snake :0)
 
Gralena hasn't even posted on this forum for like 10 days. Aren't we kinda beating a dead horse at this point?
Yes, we probably are, but . . .
Especially since she has already explained that the 5 gallon was only going to be temporary quarters for this snake. I've kept 24 gram sized snakes in sterilite shoeboxes that are even smaller.
. . . it wasn't about the size of the cage she was using. It was about the psychology of the smaller cage being a better solution which is contrary to the realistic, natural life of any snake.

D80
 
It's just that I recall having read quite a few posts recommending smaller cages for smaller snakes on this site. And a in lot of those posts I do remember people saying the wide open spaces are intimidating for little corns and to have a lot of hides if you have a small snake in a large viv to counteract this. If I wasn't so lazy I could probably do a search and find dozens of posts making just that kind of comment, so I can't help but think it was from posts on this site where she got that snake psychology idea in the first place... Anyway, I like keeping smaller snakes in smaller containers because of the fact I don't have to hunt through yards of substrate to find the little buggers that way, and smaller containers can be more escape proof (not to mention convenient if you have a bunch of little hatchlings to house... those shoeboxes stack nicely.)
 
I have 4 snakes in a variety of cages, ranging from 5 gallons up to 55. None of my snakes move about during the day unless I disturb them. However... if I'm randomly awake at say... 3am, all of them can be found cruising. Even my "largest" 30gram corn who has lived in the 55gal tank since just a few weeks after I got her. Oddly enough she is my best eater and 'friendliest' snake. Go figure, hey?
 
And a in lot of those posts I do remember people saying the wide open spaces are intimidating for little corns and to have a lot of hides if you have a small snake in a large viv to counteract this.
Exactly! But not for the reason of having a smaller cage, it's for the reason of having a smaller space for the snake to feel comfortable which is the purpose of the hide. A five gallon sized hide in a 75 gallon tank serves the same purpose of providing a place of safety for the snake as if the snake were just placed in a 5 gallon tank. I guarantee the snake would prefer to cruise around that 75 gallon tank when the lights go out then to "cruise" around that 5 gallon tank.


I like keeping smaller snakes in smaller containers because of the fact I don't have to hunt through yards of substrate to find the little buggers
Exactly! And that's for our comfort and satisfaction. I've never argued in this thread that the 5 gallon was a bad choice for the snake. Just pointing out the faulty logic of why the snake was moving around more. That's all. My snakes are all in tubs.

D80

PS. And yes, I felt clearing up that "faulty logic" was important enough to continue explaining myself in this thread! :)
 
Yep, they do like to wait until it's lights out. I've noticed the 3 AM cruisers myself (stupid insomnia, I always wake up at weird times) ... Oh and about the "Senior Member" thing, I think it's just the name automatically assigned by this site to some groups if you don't bother to change it. (Just like I would be "Member with NO life!" if I hadn't changed it to "cinder lover" on my profile. I wondered about that before and found out that's just the name the site assigns to you after a certain amount of time or number of posts....)
 
Wow...I just noticed this thread was still alive. I have not contributed to it because I felt the conversation had turned silly and definitely not productive back on the 20th with Brent and I.

I did want to say thanks to Jen. She is correct in that if you do a search there has been lots of advice given over the years about this topic of smaller viv's. I may not be an ACTUAL senior member, but I have done lots of research on corns for the last 3 years (2.5 yrs before even getting my first) and this advice has been given numerous times. I have a feeling that if an ACTUAL senior member had been discussing it, they probably would not have been given such a beating over it.

Jen is also correct that the forum has assigned me the title "senior member" since I have been a member for 3 years, I did not put it there. I also did not mean to imply that Brent is not experienced or does not have great knowledge of corn snakes. I personally feel he can go about sharing that knowledge in the wrong tone sometimes. This is just my opinion.

For anyone that cares, my snake is (shockingly) doing okay in her 5 gallon viv. ;) She will be moved as she gets a little bigger. She is still out and about more frequently and really enjoys using an empty paper towel roll to facilitate her travels, using it for a tunnel. Obviously all 3 of my snakes are out more in the evenings, Cleo has just been much more visible during the day since being placed in the 5g. Her temps are still great and she has had several meals and has also shed once perfectly since being moved.
 
Since my name was mentioned here, I want to be sure my opinion is understood.

I have seen babies do well in small cages or large cages - depends on the snake, cage, hides, temps, etc. MY babies (and those of most breeders) are used to small cages such as plastic shoeboxes. I always advocate setting the new baby up in as similar a way as possible to what it is used to, at least for the first month or two. And then make needed changes in substrate, hides, cage size, etc, slowly, so the little guy won't have to experience all of the changes while he is getting used to a new home.

I would always be at least a little concerned if a baby is out A LOT, exposing itself to the "predators" its instincts tells it to beware of. It is not unusual to spend a lot of time out when presented with a new home, cage, etc. As stated, it has to get used to the new place and discover whether it is escape proof, where new hides are, etc. There is usually a reason for the roaming around, especially if during the day. Could be hunger, thirst, desire for warmer or cooler temps, better hide, who knows? But I would consider extensive diurnal roaming something more to look for a "cure" for than something to be happy about. However, whether the cage is big or small, if it is set up properly, the snake will get used to it in time, and probably go back to nocturnal or crepuscular wanderings, and will come to prefer its "home" over anything else, be it bigger or smaller.

Of course, that explanation applies less to adults than to babies. Although adults also like to hide, many will eventually learn to adapt and realize that there really are no predators here after all. Although adults still are not usually active unless they are hungry, thristy, etc, they may learn to lay out in the open without fear, unlike most babies.

Hope that helps clear up any previous explanations I gave that were not clear.
 
Back
Top