Munson Plan Questions

[patm1313]

You know how it says the weight of the mouse, Is that when it is thawed or frozen? And I have been hearing good things about it, is there any cons of it?

 

[Snake Dave]

Don't listen to me, I know nothing.

 

[patm1313]

That's when it's thawed. Ice is less dense than water and so if you weigh it when it is frozen then it'll be lighter than when it's thawed.

It's a very good and accurate feeding plan, however some believe that it's too aggressive and can shorten the life span of your snake. I don't know enough on the subject to make an accurate analysis, but from my personal experience it's been great.

Just to show you:

The first time I weighed my Corn, Salazar, was on 11/09/07 (in American terms that's 09/11/07). He weighed 16g. The last time I weighed him was on 27/02/08, and he weighed 150g. So your snake will grow pretty quickly following that plan. If you want to keep your little worm for longer, feed every 7 days, if not, the Munson Plan is a great guide to follow.

All the best

David

Thanks, and BTW, I love the lower part of your signature.

 

[Nanci]

That's when it's thawed. Ice is less dense than water and so if you weigh it when it is frozen then it'll be lighter than when it's thawed.
David

I use the frozen weight, because I thaw in water. That would make the prey a lot heavier. And I want to know how much the prey weighs before I thaw it for use- that's how I pick which one to feed!

 

[Susielea]

That's when it's thawed. Ice is less dense than water and so if you weigh it when it is frozen then it'll be lighter than when it's thawed.

So do you weigh your mice after they are defrosted? If so, what do you do if the prey item you defrost is the wrong size for your snake, as you can't re-freeze and it would be wasteful to throw it away?

I'm interested as I've always weighed while frozen and then seperate the different sizes into different bags, so I can just pick from the appropriate bag for whichever snake I'm feeding. Am I doing it wrong then?

I thought it was like Nanci said, they get heavier when defrosted in water, which is what I do.

 

[diamondlil]

So do you weigh your mice after they are defrosted? If so, what do you do if the prey item you defrost is the wrong size for your snake, as you can't re-freeze and it would be wasteful to throw it away?

I'm interested as I've always weighed while frozen and then seperate the different sizes into different bags, so I can just pick from the appropriate bag for whichever snake I'm feeding. Am I doing it wrong then?

I thought it was like Nanci said, they get heavier when defrosted in water, which is what I do.

I'm with you and Nanci on this one, unless I weigh culled mice before I freeze them. I just tend to freeze them though and weigh and sort them later.

 

[Nanci]

Actually, if I get a bag of 25 or 50 somethings, I weigh them and put them in their own ziplock, 10-11, 12-13, 14-15 and so on. Or with pinks I just sort into 1,2,3 kind of by sight.

 

[Susielea]

Actually, if I get a bag of 25 or 50 somethings, I weigh them and put them in their own ziplock, 10-11, 12-13, 14-15 and so on. Or with pinks I just sort into 1,2,3 kind of by sight.

That's exactly what I do, sort into sealable freezer bags, then put the bags into airtight freezer boxes.

 

[MerlinsPop]

That's when it's thawed. Ice is less dense than water and so if you weigh it when it is frozen then it'll be lighter than when it's thawed.
David

Don't confuse mass, density and weight. A pound of ice will become a pound of water when thawed, it'll just hurt less if someone throws it at you.

 

[ghosthousecorns]

Don't confuse mass, density and weight. A pound of ice will become a pound of water when thawed, it'll just hurt less if someone throws it at you.

LOL thanks, I read that earlier and said huh?

 

[patm1313]

O.K, so if I'm hearing this all right then the scale is based on thawed weight, though it will weigh less when frozen?

 

[Snake Dave]

O.K, so if I'm hearing this all right then the scale is based on thawed weight, though it will weigh less when frozen?

No, it'll weigh the same. I'm a moron and you shouldn't listen to what I have to say.

 

[Nanci]

I think only Roy Munson can say for sure what the plan is based on, frozen or thawed.

I have a question- if I buy a pound of frozen filet mignon, will it weigh more when I thaw it???

 

[Blue Apple Herps]

I don't worry about the weights of the mice, but more of the girth. If it's ~1.5x's the widest part of the snake then that's what I feed to them. It's easy and that way I'm not worrying about weighing out mice every time I feed or get a new order of them. I think the width is more important the the weight of the mouse, a couple of grams here and there won't make much difference.

 

[Roy Munson]

The prey weights given in the "Plan" are for frozen items. I thaw in water, which does add minimal weight. And for the pedantic, yes, I understand that grams are a unit of mass, not weight. But I "weigh" everything near sea-level on this planet, so it's not much of an issue...

 

[Susielea]

No, it'll weigh the same. I'm a moron and you shouldn't listen to what I have to say.

You're not a moron! And I listen to a lot of the things you say, as you sometimes have had different experiences to me!

I was interested as I only ever weigh while still frozen and wondered if you had noticed any significant difference, I wasn't putting you down, in any way, and apologise if that's the way it sounded.
When diamondlil posted that she sometimes weighs before freezing, because she breeds her own, I thought that may be what you meant.

Hope we're ok

 

[MerlinsPop]

No, it'll weigh the same. I'm a moron and you shouldn't listen to what I have to say.

Phooey! You know a ton. Keep sharing! And as Dean said, the difference is miniscule anyway. Besides, half the time, by the time I get done thawing a pinky one of it's tiny legs or tail that was broken but frozen in place has fallen off anyway so, the weight's off right there. People like to to be ultra precise in a lot of things where 'close enough' is plenty good.

I really didn't mean to offend, and if so, I humbly apologize!

 

[Snake Dave]

You're not a moron! And I listen to a lot of the things you say, as you sometimes have had different experiences to me!

I was interested as I only ever weigh while still frozen and wondered if you had noticed any significant difference, I wasn't putting you down, in any way, and apologise if that's the way it sounded.
When diamondlil posted that she sometimes weighs before freezing, because she breeds her own, I thought that may be what you meant.

Hope we're ok

We're fine Susie

I've just had a bad day and I'm nackered, and I make silly mistakes when I'm tired. So I should probably steer clear of handing out advice until I'm rested, lol.

 

[Snake Dave]

Phooey! You know a ton. Keep sharing! And as Dean said, the difference is miniscule anyway. Besides, half the time, by the time I get done thawing a pinky one of it's tiny legs or tail that was broken but frozen in place has fallen off anyway so, the weight's off right there. People like to to be ultra precise in a lot of things where 'close enough' is plenty good.

I really didn't mean to offend, and if so, I humbly apologize!

You don't have to apologise Bruce, I'm just tired and annoyed (because of other people, not you guys) and I get irritable because of that, so really; I should be apologising.

But thank you, that means a lot. Relating back to the subject, is that a ton of lead or a ton of feathers? :grin01:

 

[patm1313]

OK, I get it now. Does it matter more on weight or size of prey, because I would think weight becase it means how much matter there is.