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New controvesial topic... Is collecting corn snakes a "hoarding" behavior?

Here's how "Pet Hoarding" is defined and the source..

"According to the Hoarding of Animals Research Consortium, the following criteria are used to define animal hoarding:

1. More than the typical number of companion animals


2. Inability to provide even minimal standards of nutrition, sanitation, shelter, and veterinary care, with this neglect often resulting in starvation, illness, and death


3. Denial of the inability to provide this minimum care and the impact of that failure on the animals, the household, and human occupants of the dwelling "

I fit 1, but not 2 and 3. I would suspect most of us are the same..

More info here:

http://www.pet-abuse.com/pages/animal_cruelty/hoarding.php
 
Drizzt80 said:
. . . but you're missing my point. The hoarding of animals is not the problem. The lack of someone caring for them is what you are referring to. Sure, hoarding lots of animals may create the lack of care problem, but not necessarily. And . . .what's the limit to define hoarding?! 6 snakes for someone may create a situation for lack of care of hoarded animals . . . 6 snakes for me is a shipment from SerpenCo. :eek1:

Two separate issues, two separate terms, you're trying to meld them together into one. Take each as their own . . . Is collecting corns a hoarding behavior? Yes. Is not caring for animals in your care bad? Yes. Is hoarding cornsnakes bad? No.

:)
D80
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I see your point. I was just under the impression the OP was referring to hoarding as a negative term, past the phase of just "collecting" into the phase of not being able to give them a good care.
In any case, you are right. Hoarding animals and giving them ALL a good care is not bad at all. :)
 
tom e said:
LOL, true. But you're using the strict definition with nothing attached.
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Oh, I don't disagree in the least. But, that's what the human language is for. Words have meaning and definition. Maybe I get too caught up in that. :shrugs: That's also why I posted the following question:
Drizzt80 said:
Why is hoarding perceived (which is opinion) as a bad thing? Just because some hoarders don't take care of their items doesn't mean the act of hoarding is bad. The analogies for this could be endless . . .
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The psychiatric side of the discussion is trying to meld two definitions into one. Basically you end up with hoarding having a negative connotation when, by definition, it doesn't. A simple analogy . . . Many give hunting a negative connotation because they know, or have heard of, a poacher or someone that broke the law, that was called a hunter. Now they hear that I'm a hunter and therefore must be a poacher or law breaker or even worse, a non-lover of animals. :shrugs:

If we let the meaning of words stray, they no longer carry meaning and communication will become even more difficult. I know, I'm on a language kick lately. :rolleyes:

D80
 
The term "hoarding" has a distinct definition which eludes to the negative aspects of animal care and husbandry. If one can take care of their bajillion animals with no problems, neglect, abuse, etc., then it isn't hoarding.
 
tom e said:
I fit 1, but not 2 and 3. I would suspect most of us are the same..
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Exactly, me too, but 1 is animal hoarding, 2 and 3 are animal neglect. You can neglect a single animal, Rich Z (and others) adequately take care of 100's of animals. ;)

kpsammy said:
The term "hoarding" has a distinct definition which eludes to the negative aspects of animal care and husbandry.
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Sorry, but the "distinct definition" does not "allude to" the negative aspects of animal care. I already pointed that out.

D80
 
But Brent whether we like it or not "Animal Hoarding" as a phrase, ALSO has a definition. I love that you're a purist with words, but you aren't seeing that point here..

At the end of the day, you're right that what matters most is that the animals get the care they need. But the amount of care they get is already implied in the term "Animal Hoarding".

I should add that if communication is what is important here, call animal control and tell them you're an animal hoarder, and let's see which message gets across, lol.
 
tom e said:
But Brent whether we like it or not "Animal Hoarding" as a phrase, ALSO has a definition. I love that you're a purist with words, but you aren't seeing that point here..
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I guess that's what makes me "sad" is that we have allowed that phrase to take on a different meeting. I do realize it has that meaning, but why? We've allowed it to be given that meaning. That makes me "sad". :shrugs:

D80

PS. Not sad in the sense that I stay up late at night crying or can't function. ;) :sidestep:
 
The reason I named the the thread "controversial topic" (besides the fact we haven't had a good one for a while) Is BECAUSE of the connotations that go along with "hoarding". But I did post later that maybe hoarding is the wrong word.

I wasn't trying to imply that the people who have many snakes are not caring for them. (But then again people's standards of what connotates good care also vary.)

But the psychology of it does fascinate me...Some seem to feel happy after getting one and others seem to buy and buy more and more. what is it about us "corn addicts" that makes it so one is not enough?
 
I got my first pair of rosy boas in 1995, Felix and Grace. Within the next 3 years my numbers of rosy boas grew to 14. I am now down to 7, and as much as I love them, I discovered I love corns more!

I got my first corn (Calvin) in 1996. Got him a mate (Kasey) 6 months later. Found out I had 2 males January 1997. In April 1997 I won Kate in a raffle. Kate was a yearling.
In 1998 I bred Kasey and Kate. Only 1 egg hatched, so I kept her and named her Keeper. Saw the most gorgeous corn EVER (Kelsey) and traded 2 mexican rosy boa babies for her.
In 2002 I was boarding a trio of snakes for a friend while he moved. It was agreed that since I was keeping his snakes for 18 months, that I could keep or sell any resulting hatchlings to pay for their keep. That was how I got Sniper, Snafu and Sangria.

Kasey died of unknown causes January of 2004. I lost Kelsey to egg binding in August 2005.

Things were fine....things were stable.....and THEN....

I bought Horcrux, Havoc and Hatteras from CCCorns in July 2006.
I hatched a gorgeous granite stripe, and a granite in August 2006 and HAD to keep them. Then bought Beacon from Kathy Love in November 2006...

I bought Elphaba, Vidalia, Luna, Lugosi and Voldermort from Dean in 2007....

I bought Festivus and Babette from Bayou reptiles and BRenda, Carmen and Hydi from Dean this year.........
 
I try to do all things in excess. If it is good, eat some more. If it is fun, do it again. If she is pretty, get two of them. That is the point where She Who Must Be Obeyed said "that's enough".

But seriously I wonder if others here on the forum tend to do the same. I enjoy fly fishing and spend more time doing it than anyone I know. I enjoy riding 4 wheelers and spend every free minute on one. I enjoy snakes and have more than my share. If one is good two is better.
 
wade said:
But seriously I wonder if others here on the forum tend to do the same. I enjoy fly fishing and spend more time doing it than anyone I know. I enjoy riding 4 wheelers and spend every free minute on one. I enjoy snakes and have more than my share. If one is good two is better.
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Ooooh nice, and I love the change in viewpoint! I enjoy hunting and have a tendency to harvest more than one deer (legally!) each season. :) I enjoy coaching swimming and I take pushing my athletes to an extreme that others may feel is "too far". That's just off the top of my head.

D80
 
wade said:
I try to do all things in excess. If it is good, eat some more. If it is fun, do it again. If she is pretty, get two of them. That is the point where She Who Must Be Obeyed said "that's enough".

But seriously I wonder if others here on the forum tend to do the same. I enjoy fly fishing and spend more time doing it than anyone I know. I enjoy riding 4 wheelers and spend every free minute on one. I enjoy snakes and have more than my share. If one is good two is better.
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Drizzt80 said:
Ooooh nice, and I love the change in viewpoint! I enjoy hunting and have a tendency to harvest more than one deer (legally!) each season. :) I enjoy coaching swimming and I take pushing my athletes to an extreme that others may feel is "too far". That's just off the top of my head.

D80
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Although I can see how doing things in excess can lead to hoarding, I don't think the activities mentioned are hoarding behavior, unless you are keeping something for yourself - snakes as Wade said, or deer parts (sorry for the speculation here) for Brent. My point is I think we are starting to mix other kind of behavior into the hoarding issue.
 
wade said:
OK, I'm from Utah, how about if it told you I had 27 wives. That would be hoarding wouldn't it.
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Uhhhh, I'd like to see you get that one over on "She Who Must Be Obeyed"!!! LOL.

I think the problem here is semantics... the word "hoarding" alone is not a negative... but it does carry negative connotations.
 
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