New corns from the Hamm show

[Josua]

I also picked up some new nice corns yesterday

0.1 lavamel cb 2007

0.1 opal motley 50% het. stripe cb 2007

 

[Josua]

and some more...

0.1 T+ albino cb 2007
(I know some of you don't 'believe' in T+, but I took my chance with this girl)

0.1 snopal cb 2005

1.0 ultramel het. lavender cb 2006

 

[Joejr14]

T+ Albino?

I think the better word would be hybrid.

 

[Josua]

I also picked up 1.0 amel het. lava cb 2007 and a 0.1 lava het. amel cb 2007 is on here way, but she didn't feed well enough yet.

Anyone with some input on the 'T+ gene', i'm open for discussion.
So envite me to a new thread if you want to talk about it

 

[Roy Munson]

Congrats on the great pick-ups! :cheers: I really like that T+ albino, but I have to say that there's no question in my mind that she's a hybrid. I'm not relying on anything I've read-- just looking at the snake (particularly the head) confirms the hybrid status to me.

 

[Tula_Montage]

Awesome pickups. I like the snopal female a lot. I can't wait to unpack my Hamm box

 

[mvervest]

T+ ; when some don't know about it or can not place it , they go the hybrid solution ; IMO not always the right answer ( IMO !!! )
I have a T+ male 2006 for sale , if anyone likes hybrids , PM me :crazy02:

PS Some nice animals , from WHO ??? :grin01:

 

[waldo]

Love the Opal motley, nice coloring on her

Anyone care to explain what at T+ is or at least point me to a site so I can read about it? Its a very cool looking snake.

 

[Roy Munson]

T+ ; when some don't know about it or can not place it , they go the hybrid solution ; IMO not always the right answer ( IMO !!! )
I have a T+ male 2006 for sale , if anyone likes hybrids , PM me :crazy02:

PS Some nice animals , from WHO ??? ) :grin01:

I'm not saying that it's definitely a hybrid, but it looks like one to me. Coming from me, that's no insult at all. I'm no hybrid-hater, and ultra/ulramel neither scares nor concerns me (I have some). I'm not even too concerned for the purity of the captive corn gene pool. There's a lot of non-corn genes in that pool, I'll wager. I have ultramels and combos for sale myself, and I didn't put any hybrid disclaimer in the ad, despite the fact that I lean toward a non-corn origin for the ultra gene.

 

[Josua]

PS Some nice animals , from WHO ??? :grin01:

Thank's.
I don't really know the breeder, some Belgium guy with some very nice snakes for sale each year....


Well what a coincidence, YOU'RE from Belgium :grin01:

 

[Pasodama]

Congrats! Very nice snakes.

 

[wax32]

WOWOWOW. Beautiful Pearl!!

I hope to be able to produce some like that in three years. If mine turn out that nice I will be so very happy! :grin01:

 

[E.Crassus]

Im not going to claim I know anything about the T+ albinos but it sure is stunning

 

[Susan]

I'm with Dean and have nothing against hybrids, having a pair of jungles and a golddust myself. What gets me is that I rarely hear anyone from Europe even acknowledge the idea of them possibly having hybrids in their collections. It always seems to to be a new gene that hasn't shown up over here...the native home of the species as well as home to a much larger number of specimens of that species. :shrugs: I don't mean to cast aspersions, but I keep seeing a trend.

 

[Velvet]

Gorgeous snakes!!! I like your opal motley!

Can't offer too much comment on the T+ Albino, just that she "looks" like a hybrid to me (not saying she IS one, just that she looks like one). She certainly is very unusual and extremely pretty though!

 

[Romanticide]

I love that snopal.

 

[Josua]

What gets me is that I rarely hear anyone from Europe even acknowledge the idea of them possibly having hybrids in their collections. It always seems to to be a new gene that hasn't shown up over here....

Well, let me the first to admit this:
I have a 'nice' ultra/ultramel collection. Wether hybrid or not, I like them a lot.
Then I have a "creambloodred" (f2 pewter x creamsicle).

But To get back on the T+ thing:
The 'inventor' isn't from europe, he's from america.
He's friends with a pretty well known belgium breeder, and that breeder has some T+ stock wich he breeds with every year.
Also the term T+ was used in america for ultramel's I believe, but I must admit that the 'european t+ animals' don't look like ultra of ultramels at all.

I was (and still am) not sure about the animals.
Last year I saw some animals that didn't look like pure corns. But now I have seen the parents, and some more adult T+'s. I also saw a T+T- albino (T+ amel), wich doesn't look like a ultramel, so I believe that ultra isn't the same as T+.

But again, I am the first one to say that maybe T+ isn't pure, but I took a chance with this girl, and I want to help to test this 'gene' out.
So if anyone believes that it's a hybrid, I can live with that.
But don't just say in every post "that's a hybrid, I can see it". I'm open for discussion, so any information you've got in america, can help me.

I don't mean to cast aspersions, but I keep seeing a trend.

I think you point at 'slangenbroed' with his yellows?
Anything else I can't think of.
And I don't feel it necessary to bring this up, because it had nothing to do with it.

 

[Jessicat]

The main thing that sticks out as very odd when I look at your T+ Albino is that it really doesn't seem to have anything "albino" about it. The closest comparison to a known corn morph my brain can make is a light frosted normal mot. Unless this picture is making this snake's eyes look much darker than they really are, where's the albinism? :shrugs:

 

[Josua]

Unless this picture is making this snake's eyes look much darker than they really are, where's the albinism? :shrugs:

T+ albino's are 'inperfect' albino's.
Just look at ball pythons or boa constrictors. Often they are called caramel albino's.

 

[wax32]

Caramel BP: My "Dream Snake". :grin01: