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O my gosh I want a ball python!!!!
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danielle
New member
I've owned reptiles since I was 6 when my parents got me my first snake- it was love at first bite literally,lol I continued to keep reptiles even through college abroad and began breeding at the age of 20. I had my first child at 21, worked two jobs, bought a home, obtained a Master's Degree, and have managed to care for my animals without issue for 24 years now. I'm not special either many of my friends in the hobby began young and have become excellent keepers, breeders, and contributers to our hobby.
However, this year I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease and almost died. I am facing many surgeries over the next year to reconstruct my bowls and will have to downsize to lighten my families load. I have always been the primary caretaker for my animals and children while my husband is the breadwinner though I work part-time now. I have years worth of projects, time, money, and love invested in animals I am heartbroken to have to say goodbye to- but right now it is in their best interest. Sometimes it is more selfish to hold on to something than it is to re-home it. I will not ever let these animals suffer or receive sub standard care, I will have to take a huge financial loss, and I will be sad but for them it is the right thing.
My point is old or young crap happens. You can have the best intentions, money, and stability one day and be fired, struck ill, or homeless the next. Age is immune to tragedy and something we all have gone through a time or two. Re-homing an animal is different than setting it lose or neglecting it, and re-homing isn't exactly hard to do if your patient and willing to take a small loss for the animals best interest. Heck breeders retire, people of all ages lose interest, or have interests that shift. We evolve as keepers, have our setbacks, and as long as we care for these animals responsibly and ensure they are safe we are doing the right thing.
If you want a ball python make sure you really do your research and take the time to think about the resources you currently have and what you will need for the long haul. As long as you make an informed choice and take their care seriously I don't see the problem
However, this year I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease and almost died. I am facing many surgeries over the next year to reconstruct my bowls and will have to downsize to lighten my families load. I have always been the primary caretaker for my animals and children while my husband is the breadwinner though I work part-time now. I have years worth of projects, time, money, and love invested in animals I am heartbroken to have to say goodbye to- but right now it is in their best interest. Sometimes it is more selfish to hold on to something than it is to re-home it. I will not ever let these animals suffer or receive sub standard care, I will have to take a huge financial loss, and I will be sad but for them it is the right thing.
My point is old or young crap happens. You can have the best intentions, money, and stability one day and be fired, struck ill, or homeless the next. Age is immune to tragedy and something we all have gone through a time or two. Re-homing an animal is different than setting it lose or neglecting it, and re-homing isn't exactly hard to do if your patient and willing to take a small loss for the animals best interest. Heck breeders retire, people of all ages lose interest, or have interests that shift. We evolve as keepers, have our setbacks, and as long as we care for these animals responsibly and ensure they are safe we are doing the right thing.
If you want a ball python make sure you really do your research and take the time to think about the resources you currently have and what you will need for the long haul. As long as you make an informed choice and take their care seriously I don't see the problem
v_various
secretly normal
I know the EXACT thing happened with your snake collection that we all said would. Accidentally killing some of your pets, and dumping a bunch. On top of that, you still have the gall to give advice and lecture others.
Ya, I see you.
Carinata
Ever Evolving Exotics
And that doesn't ever happen to any other people. Yes because I wanted my animals to die. I didn't dump them either. I traded them for some Fat Tails for my fat tail project. I still have my Asian rats and other rats. I think its very narrow minded to think that I killed them either because I am a child. It happens to everyone. And as for my giving advice. I know what I'm talking about. But thats your opinion, that you are entitled to, I respect that. But I don't respect your narrow minded opinion of me.
Outcast
ATPSS
I do not think it had anything to do with gall and lecturing, more along the lines of, "I screwed up, please learn from my mistakes."
danielle
New member
Ouch guys come on lighten up geesh. Have you never sold an animal or had one die in your care? David didn't DUMP a bunch of animals first of all. His interests changed and living situation as well. It's called evolving and we've all done it. He is young yes, but none of his animals went to bad homes, were set free, or neglected which is supposed to be what matters. His heating incident is something that has happened to many many members here and again a learning experience for everyone- not by any means his fault. David has his supporters and haters here and I don't expect that will change. But throwing the loss of an animal in his face because you don't personally like him is immature, hateful, small, and honestly should be embarrassing really. Why not say nothing at all and revel in your own nasty thoughts? Does throwing someone under the bus when their down make you feel good?
v_various
secretly normal
sorry, I think you're wrong to defend him. His behavior makes me cringe, animals are not pokemon.
Anyway, like I said, I try to be less active here because of him, and I know I'm not the only one. I've also stopped buying yearly memberships, since it's no longer worth it for me.
I miss how things where when I joined, which is why I still lurk a bit. Mostly I've found other boards to spend time and money on.
Anyway, like I said, I try to be less active here because of him, and I know I'm not the only one. I've also stopped buying yearly memberships, since it's no longer worth it for me.
I miss how things where when I joined, which is why I still lurk a bit. Mostly I've found other boards to spend time and money on.
danielle
New member
Oh I'm definitely not mature,lol But I do know kicking someone when their down no matter how much you hate them is indecent. David you know you've made your bed here with many people and unfortunately in life bridges burn easily- you may never change some people's mind about you. You have definitely grown and will continue to over the next decade or so, you will find that becoming humble is a blessing, tact is your friend, and you can't win everyone over. I just wish the adults on here that don't like you could stop with the constant pot shots every time your britches get a little too big for you. 2 wrongs don't make a right and since we are supposed to be the grown people here we should not be goading you with nasty comments
danielle
New member
v_various I get what your saying and I'm no stranger to the stupid things David has said or done in the past. He definitely has made enemies here and thats fine, but come on you know the things you said were over harsh. If he makes you cringe thats perfectly fine- he's earned many of the comments he's gotten but he didn't earn an "I told you so nice going killing your snakes". Put him on your ignore list and continue to enjoy this forum. There are plenty of awesome people here to let one person leave a bad taste in your mouth
Outcast
ATPSS
I just read into what he has said differently than you did.
You believe that he is "holier than thou" and in some ways he is, but in some ways so are you and the people who keep attacking him.
In fact, I will go as far to say, everyone is "holier than thou" in one way or another.
danielle
New member
I'm definitely holy,lol and thou can not disagree
I don't know I've been gone for almost a year now, but seriously this forum has lost a lot of members I dearly missed and added quite a few I look forward to getting to know. v_various you are one person I am glad to see still here so I hope you understand the spirit in which my comments were made in. When I left people always jumped on David and a year later nothing has changed. He's still here though so maybe those who dislike him could just be content with disliking him?
I don't know I've been gone for almost a year now, but seriously this forum has lost a lot of members I dearly missed and added quite a few I look forward to getting to know. v_various you are one person I am glad to see still here so I hope you understand the spirit in which my comments were made in. When I left people always jumped on David and a year later nothing has changed. He's still here though so maybe those who dislike him could just be content with disliking him?
Carinata
Ever Evolving Exotics
You're right they are not pokemon. They are live animals, and they require work, which I give them. I freaking devote my life to my animals in my personal collection and at work, and if that is something you have an issue with tell me now.
Nitelion94
I am The Nitelion
Yes please let the thread die. I don't like the way someone (no names) keeps turning all my threads bad and mean. I like Happy and Nice so come on if you want to fight with someone please do so in thread of your making. Thanks Nitelion.
Nitelion94
I am The Nitelion
I have had others turn threads around so dont worry im not blaming you.
Nitelion94
I am The Nitelion
O and I should also add sometimes its my fault that they get flipped around so sorrt for blaming everyone else. Nitelion
desertanimal
2003 UB313
Many have missed Lauren's point. Lauren's point was not that life never changes after you've gone to college and have thought you'd settled down. Of course it does. Lauren's point was that when you're in high school, it is almost INEVITABLE (we hope it is, anyway) that life will change and that you haven't settled down. Getting lots of pets always ties you down, but if you're in a situation where you thought you were tied down anyway, it is understandable when you have to make adjustments when you find out things have to change. Getting lots of pets when you KNOW thinks will soon be changing is a different scenario. Getting lots of pets when I think I have a stable job and am going to live in the same spot for a while is totally different from getting a lot of new pets when I know I'm leaving for the field in a year. If people had seen ME acquiring lots of pets when I knew I was going to go where I couldn't care for them myself in a couple of years, they'd say, "Hey, Stephanie, uh, have you got plans for who's caring for that when you go away?" And they'd be perfectly justified in doing so.
And with regard to the analogy about how adults get a dog and then realize they're in over their heads, everyone here would be every bit as up-at-arms about it if they heard about an adult getting two, and three, and four puppies before seeing if they could really take care of one dog. People would say, "Hey, slow down. I think you're getting in over your head." And if their entreaties were ignored, they'd have every right to say, "I told you so" when the person took the dogs to the pound. No one has a problem with people selling snakes. People have a problem with warning people they're getting in over their heads (because they know how it can happen, and they are damn smart and they can see when it IS happening), being ignored, seeing the people they warned selling off lots of their animals, and the people they warned pretending nothing was ever an issue--that they never made irresponsible decisions.
And many have missed Lennycorn's point. Lennycorn was pointing out that David's, "But my situation is special, Lauren, because I have a job in reptiles and know what I'm doing, and after all I don't have very many pets," post was disingenuous, because his pet count was artificially low with regard to the present conversation, because he'd just lost some the week before due to a high-risk heating set-up that he wasn't able to check daily (because maybe he got himself in over his head early on and then his situation changed in ways he can't control because he's a kid, which exacerbated that situation). Anyone with a brain can see that implying, "I only have x, so the criticisms leveled here don't relate to me" is completely disingenuous when the week before the person stating that had x+y and the y were lost in the interim due to what some would consider irresponsible care. THAT'S what Lennycorn was pointing out. He wasn't pointing out David's loss to torture him, he was pointing out David's loss because he thought David's comment smelled funny, and he was saying exactly what he thought it smelled like. (I, myself, was very late to this thread, had the SAME thought when I saw the post, and would have posted similarly had I not then discovered that Lennycorn had already done so.)
And with regard to the analogy about how adults get a dog and then realize they're in over their heads, everyone here would be every bit as up-at-arms about it if they heard about an adult getting two, and three, and four puppies before seeing if they could really take care of one dog. People would say, "Hey, slow down. I think you're getting in over your head." And if their entreaties were ignored, they'd have every right to say, "I told you so" when the person took the dogs to the pound. No one has a problem with people selling snakes. People have a problem with warning people they're getting in over their heads (because they know how it can happen, and they are damn smart and they can see when it IS happening), being ignored, seeing the people they warned selling off lots of their animals, and the people they warned pretending nothing was ever an issue--that they never made irresponsible decisions.
And many have missed Lennycorn's point. Lennycorn was pointing out that David's, "But my situation is special, Lauren, because I have a job in reptiles and know what I'm doing, and after all I don't have very many pets," post was disingenuous, because his pet count was artificially low with regard to the present conversation, because he'd just lost some the week before due to a high-risk heating set-up that he wasn't able to check daily (because maybe he got himself in over his head early on and then his situation changed in ways he can't control because he's a kid, which exacerbated that situation). Anyone with a brain can see that implying, "I only have x, so the criticisms leveled here don't relate to me" is completely disingenuous when the week before the person stating that had x+y and the y were lost in the interim due to what some would consider irresponsible care. THAT'S what Lennycorn was pointing out. He wasn't pointing out David's loss to torture him, he was pointing out David's loss because he thought David's comment smelled funny, and he was saying exactly what he thought it smelled like. (I, myself, was very late to this thread, had the SAME thought when I saw the post, and would have posted similarly had I not then discovered that Lennycorn had already done so.)