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PIED?...CALICO?....EMBRYOTIC STRESS?

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Frank Pinello

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This bloodred hatched 2 years ago with these light patches. As a hatchling the light areas were lighter but gain color much like a snow or more like a very light ghost. She is a result of breeding a female Bloodred het anery (Mike Motley's Line) to a male Hypo het bloodred/ anery (Kathy Loves Line). This year I bred her back to her father and I breed two of her siblings together (Male aneryhet hypo/bloodred x Blodred het hypo). She was the only one of about 15 eggs that looked like this.
Unfortunately I sold the mother to someone prior to this one hatching so I never had the opertunity to breed the parents again.
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She just had her pre-egg laying shed a few days ago.
Has anyone seen this before?
I have also hatched a male bloodred last year with half the tip of his nose solid white and its still there.
Frank Pinello
 
Mike,

once again, I can't say enough about this animal. Just purely awesome.

Now after you giving me a read up on the parents, I was thinking...

this 'Pied' thing about her.
I think that the 'white' spots that were on her are actually ghost colorations.

Since the parents are bloodred het anery and hypo het bloodred (I assume that the parents are actually blodred het hypo anery and hypo het bloodred anery. SO MAYBE this is a ghost bloodred?

But of course not the true ghost bloodred that we would all expect, just part part?! (You know what I mean?)

Did you breed her back to the dad?

Anyway good luck with her and hope that she'll be able to produce LOTS more of her kind for you.

Good luck and BEST OF LUCK!!!

I am definitely keeping my fingers crossed for you!!
 
Have you had any problems with this snake like others have had with their callies i.e. blisters?

I think she is beautifel and would be a stunning addition to any collection. We need some patched brindle corns.

Aaron
 
man thats a VERY cool loking snake !!!

maybe it's like simon said, a ghost bloodred, if thats the case nobody could have expected that :D

But to have a ghost bloodred the female should have being homo or het Hypo, maybe that was the case and you didnt knew. If that was the case then the genetics could be good for Ghost bloodred, and since with that matche up producing one is a 1/16 chances and you only got 15 eggs then that would explain why you only got one

i dont know if anyone ever produced ghost bloodreds ?

btw what were the siblings ?
 
I think she's just confused! LOL She wanted to be a Bloodred and Ghost. I do agree the patches appear to be a ghost corn but shes a blood at the same time? :eek: Maybe this trait will be similar to the paint trait in horses? Maybe not but it would be neat to see this in other cultivators to if possible.
 
I've said time and time again, you have to rinse the cage REALLY WELL after using BLEACH to sanitize, but nobody ever listens to me. :laugh:

Wow! That has to be one of the most interesting and unique corns I've ever seen. I'm looking forward to hearing how your breeding trials go to find out if it's a replicatable (sp?) trait or just an anomalous birth defect. Keep us posted and post more pics as it develops. It really is a cool snake to look at!
 
Great to see you - it's been ages!

Nice to see her as an adult - still looks great! I am excited to see what any new babies from the bloodline will look like. Please keep us posted!

I expect her photo (the old one that Bill took) will probably be in the updated Manual.
 
This snake really has the appearance of a chimera or genetic mosaic animal - where there is fusion of two different genetic types in one animal. This is a very rare situation that can occur when two embryos (in this case one ghost, one bloodred) fuse at an early stage of development. It is sort of the opposite of one embryo splitting to create identical twins.

The physical appearance is usually one in which there are areas of the body that appear to be distinctly one color (ghost) or the other (bloodred), not a mixture of the two. If that is the case here, the genotype that this animal passes on would depend upon which color genotype is present in her ovaries - might be one, or the other or both (one to each ovary - if they are both functional).

Definately an unusual individual - will be very interesting to see what she produces when bred.


mary v.
 
That snake is fantastic! She looks a lot like a calico cat, much more than most of the speckled corns that are labeled calico. Good luck with your breeding program--I'd love to have one like her!
 
*bump* an amazing looking snake, hope you don't mind me bumping this but is there any update?
 
Very interesting snake. It might be a new mutant, or it might be a chimera formed by twins fusing in the egg. It will be interesting to see what the babies look like.
 
Is it possible that a "masking" gene exists in corn snakes? The masking gene is best seen in the Dalmatian. These dogs are geneticly a solid black or liver dog (in rare cases other colors/patterns too, ie. brindle and blue). They have a masking gene that "hides" the color making them appear white. The gene has a defect and weakens over time allowing the color to show through - spots. Over time the spots do get larger, usually by 6 months the dogs are done getting spots, until they are about 5 years old, then the gene seems to weaken a bit more and the dogs then show a ticking pattern as the age. Is it possible that she is a ghost with a bloodred masking gene that has weakened - allowing the ghost color and pattern to show through?
 
So what's the deal with this? How did the hatchlings turn out? I'd love to see where this had taken you so far!
 
SissyT213 said:
So what's the deal with this? How did the hatchlings turn out? I'd love to see where this had taken you so far!
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OP hasn't posted in over 8 years. Doubt we'll ever know, but odds don't seem good it would be inheritable.
 
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