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AndrewH

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Alright. We all know that the HSUS is hand in hand with PETA. They're tied into the FEDs, and notoriously attacking us, shot after shot. This isn't the best that we have, but it is a start. Please sign this petition. Hopefully it is considered, and if so... it's one large step for us.

If this was previously posted, I do apologize. If this is not posted on a reptile, invert, fish, or other animal forum you frequent... please do, pass it a long and get as many signatures as possible.

http://www.petitiononline.com/4377qba1/petition.html
 
Alright. We all know that the HSUS is hand in hand with PETA. They're tied into the FEDs, and notoriously attacking us, shot after shot. This isn't the best that we have, but it is a start. Please sign this petition. Hopefully it is considered, and if so... it's one large step for us.

If this was previously posted, I do apologize. If this is not posted on a reptile, invert, fish, or other animal forum you frequent... please do, pass it a long and get as many signatures as possible.

http://www.petitiononline.com/4377qba1/petition.html

Andrew, could you post a few articles that say more about what you are saying about the HSUS?
You seem to be very passionate about your cause, but I'd like to know details before signing stuff.
 
Sure. The Humane society of the United States wants to end all pet ownership. They chose their name carefully, and are not tied into local humane societies. They don't support animal ownership and want to put an end to the entire reptile trade.

http://www.arbreptiles.com/extremists2.shtml

http://www.arbreptiles.com/extremists.shtml

The HSUS has recently been pushing HR2811, which will put a quick end to the Python trade.

I'm keeping an open mind but the two articles contain mostly rhetoric. How on earth could they turn a gift of money to be used for the spaying and neutering of critters into a bad thing?

Again, I'm not a expert, I have no dog in this fight, but I was real info not cloudy rhetoric, if you are collecting sigs. I'm glad you are passionate about your cause, but get some info here.
 
Honestly if you don't know who or what the Humane society of the United States is, perhaps you shouldn't sign it...

If you think they're good, or you're neutral on them, be prepared to take a hard hit. They are the group pushing the proposals attacking us. They are lobbying, and they are being clever about what they are doing. All of the bills proposing to ban said animals in question puts their foot in the door. They will take more. If you fail to recognize that, I feel sorry...
 
Thanks for the link Andrew! I'll sign!!!!!!!

More Info. on HSUS and PETA

Kathy Love has some knowledge on this subject, maybe you could send her a PM to this thread.
The Book HSUS and PETA Don’t Want You to Read

The Consumer Freedom interview with Redemption author Nathan Winograd

Nathan Winograd is a Stanford Law School graduate and a former criminal prosecutor. He has also presided over America’s two most successful experiments in what’s become known as the “No-Kill” animal shelter movement. At SPCAs in San Francisco and Tompkins County, New York, Winograd showed that No-Kill animal sheltering -- the brand of hands-on animal care that deep-pocketed animal “rights” groups like PETA and the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) ironically oppose -- can work.

In his book Redemption, Winograd argues that the idea of pet overpopulation in America is a myth. PETA cites this “overpopulation” as the reason it kills nearly 90 percent of the dogs and cats it takes in. And the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) literally wrote the book on a system of animal sheltering that seems resigned to killing healthy pets out of sheer laziness, instead of looking for alternatives.

After we read Redemption, we had some tough questions for Winograd. And he graciously agreed to answer them.

CCF: Right on the cover of your book, you call the idea of pet overpopulation in the United States a "myth." Are you saying that there are enough homes for every healthy, unwanted pet?

Winograd: Yes. Based on the number of existing households with pets who have a pet die or run away, more homes potentially become available each year for cats than the number of cats who enter shelters, while more than twice as many homes potentially become available each year for dogs than the number of dogs who enter shelters.

Put another way, every year more families are potentially looking to bring a new dog or cat into their home than the animals that enter shelters. And the market of homes (the number of homes which do not currently have a dog or cat but will acquire one) is expanding rapidly. If shelters increased their market share by just a few percentage points, we could be a No Kill nation right now. But we are far from it.

As a movement, the humane community has accepted the idea that the best shelters can do for homeless animals is to adopt out some and kill the rest. To try to avoid criticism for this, to justify a paltry number of adoptions, these groups have perpetuated the myth that there are simply more animals than homes, something that is patently false (even though most people believe it).

Redemption offers a stunning indictment of the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). Why does such a wealthy animal rights organization appear so disinterested in saving the lives of cats and dogs?

HSUS is the wealthiest humane organization in the United States. Since its founding in the mid-1950s, it has grown in scope, size, and influence. It claims the support of some 10 million members, while its conference which caters to shelters is currently the largest nationwide. Given that, one would predict, expect and hope that it would be at the forefront of the No Kill movement, leading the way to ending the systematic killing of dogs and cats in U.S. shelters. But instead HSUS has been one of No Kill’s fiercest and most obstinate opponents.

One of the fundamental downsides of bureaucracies is their focus on self-preservation at the expense of their mission. Agencies like the Humane Society of the United States have ignored No Kill success and put the interest of animals -- indeed their very lives -- aside.

What would HSUS stand to lose if American animal shelters all moved toward a “No Kill” philosophy tomorrow?

Other than a few employees with a deplorable history of supporting the unnecessary killing of dogs and cats in shelters, and perhaps some longstanding relationships with shelter directors mired in killing, absolutely nothing. In fact, they would be hailed as pillars of compassion by the American public. That is what makes their position on this issue (historical and presently) so disturbing.

If you had HSUS's resources ($200 million in the bank and $150 million of income this year), how much progress could you make toward reforming our nation's animal shelters? What would you do first?

More money isn’t necessary to end the killing of savable dogs and cats in shelters. In fact, most of the programs and services necessary to save lives would actually cost these shelters less than what they are currently spending to warehouse animals and then kill them.

For example, adoptions generate revenue, they generate good will (which could be leveraged for future donations), and they lead to greater word-of-mouth publicity which leads to more adoptions and more revenue. Killing animals, by contrast, not only costs money (to end an animal’s life and dispose of the body), but it also makes the public less satisfied with the job a shelter is doing, especially as the shelter blames that same public for the problem. These are the people a shelter needs to embrace (in the form of adopters, volunteers, and donors) if it’s going to save animals’ lives.

Volunteers and foster homes also provide subsidized services, in which private individuals and rescue groups care for shelter animals at no cost to taxpayers. It is a cost-free way to save a great number of dogs and cats. But too many shelters turn these people away at the front door -- while the animals they are trying to help go out the back door in a body bag.

In short, animals are not dying because of lack of money in the vast majority of U.S. cities.

Take the municipal animal shelter in Austin, Texas for example. In 2000, its budget was $2.9 million. Now it’s $4.8 million. But the number of dogs and cats killed in Austin increased during this time. PETA spends around $30 million every year, but claims it can’t save 2,000 dogs and cats. Following the devastation of Hurricane Katrina, Americans donated over $32 million to the Humane Society of the United States, specifically to help the dogs and cats trapped in New Orleans. They spent only a fraction of that money on the problem. What did they do with the rest?

You have a pretty blunt assessment of PETA's long-standing habit of killing animals instead of working to place them in adoptive homes. Why should the public believe PETA's line about saving pigs and chickens if it's not willing to start with dogs and cats?

This, to me, is the great betrayal in PETA’s position. If groups like PETA openly champion the killing of dogs and cats in shelters, if they do not take the position that killing dogs and cats is inherently unethical and should be condemned, how do they expect to convince the public that pigs, chickens, and other animals -- with whom Americans do not have a close relationship -- should have more protections?

If the animal rights community, which claims to be the standard bearer for what our relationship with animals should be, approves of the idea of killing millions of animals in shelters, doesn’t that undermine their ultimate goals? The old adage “With friends like these, who needs enemies?” could not be more true.

What's beneath the surface of PETA's apparent hypocrisy here? Why do you think the group doesn't endorse a “No Kill” philosophy, or at least stop tasking its employees with killing pets?

I can only think of one possibility. PETA’s founder, Ingrid Newkirk, previously worked at the Washington Humane Society in Washington, DC, a shelter that has historically been the subject of public criticism for high rates of shelter killing. In fact, at a time when Stanford University was having great success with its program to save homeless cats on its campus, the Washington Humane Society opposed my effort to create a similar program on the Georgetown University campus. In the end, Georgetown sided with the Washington Humane Society, which embraced a campaign of extermination.

Few animal activists who follow PETA’s lead on the companion animal issue are probably aware that its founder’s former job was to kill homeless dogs and cats in a shelter that had a poor record for saving lives.

Isn't it a bit hypocritical for groups like PETA and HSUS to be front-and-center in the Michael Vick story? Nobody with half a brain supports dog fighting, but isn't killing dogs out of sheer convenience just as nasty?

The thought of what those poor dogs went through is personally very painful to me. If the public pressure created by these groups led to Vick’s suspension from the NFL, a positive thing has been accomplished. If it leads to greater penalties for people who do this, again that is positive. And as a former Deputy District Attorney who prosecuted animal cruelty cases, I believe that if Michael Vick is found guilty, he should be punished severely.

But while PETA applauds the prosecution of Michael Vick, it fought similar efforts by a prosecutor in North Carolina who went after PETA employees for needlessly killing animals and dumping their bodies in supermarket trash bins.

And while PETA condemns Michael Vick for killing Pit Bull-type dogs, PETA itself is on record saying that each and every Pit Bull entering a U.S. animal shelter should be killed as a matter of policy -- including healthy and friendly dogs. By its actions, words, and deeds, PETA is condemning hundreds of thousands of dogs annually to death.

HSUS is no better. HSUS once called the mass extermination of alley cats the only “practical and humane” solution. Why is the needless killing of millions of cats “humane,” especially in the face of non-lethal lifesaving alternatives?

In your book, you mention briefly the connection between shelter adoption rates and retail pet sales. Can you flesh this out a bit? Does this indicate that there are plenty of homes for adoptable animals?

When San Francisco became the first city in the U.S. to save all healthy, homeless dogs and cats, and was effectively talking to the public about pet adoption, there was not a single pet store left in the city selling dogs and cats. It didn’t start out that way, but that was the result. Why? Because they couldn’t compete with the SPCA.

Americans want to do the right thing, and they saw shelter adoption as a way to save lives and bring the joys of animal companionship into their homes. By contrast, when you look at cities with high levels of shelter killing, you also tend to see large numbers of pet stores.

This tells me that the animals in these communities aren’t dying because “there are too many dogs and cats, and not enough homes” -- as the shelter directors want you to believe. If that were the case, you wouldn’t see so many pet retailers. They exist because there’s a market demand for dogs and cats. And because the shelters are doing a lousy job at adopting to the community.

You make a pretty convincing case that whatever pet "overpopulation" exists in the U.S. is the fault of poorly run shelters, not the public that typically gets blamed for creating the problem. But surely there's something the public can do to help reverse the current situation. What's your bottom-line advice for John Q. Consumer?

We need to reclaim these institutions. The agencies that the public expects to protect homeless pets are instead killing more than five million of them every year. Lifesaving alternatives have existed for decades. But too many of these agencies remain mired in the “kill” philosophy of the past, unwilling to explore and adopt methods that save lives. This is a breach of their public trust.

We need to reform animal shelters through lobbying, by making demands at the local government level, and by withholding contributions until they change. We need to hit them right back for advocating killing by using a tactic they understand: the boycott.

Do not donate to HSUS or any other shelter or agency which refuses to embrace a No Kill philosophy. Let them know that when they decide to do right by the animals, you will be ready to open your checkbook.

In the end, there may be an overpopulation problem in the United States, but it is not the one we traditionally define. What we are actually suffering from -- what is actually killing a high number of animals -- is an overpopulation of lazy and complacent shelter directors. A culture of lifesaving is not possible without wholesale regime change in shelters, and in national animal protection groups. So the most important single act -- and the crucial first step -- is to fire the current leadership of shelters across the country. That is what the public should demand.

Redemption: The Myth of Pet Overpopulation and the No Kill Revolution in America is available online from Amazon.com and other retailers. Every copy sold is guaranteed to raise the blood pressure of the wrong-headed activists who run PETA and HSUS.

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm/a/183-the-book-hsus-and-peta-dont-want-you-to-read
 
HSUS is our sworn enemy (in their own words, not ours)! If you want to know more, (besides what you read online), just call your local humane society shelter and ask if they are supported by HSUS. I did that several years ago - they do not regularly support local shelters. But they do offer a grant to some shelters now and then, probably just to keep them from complaining publicly about how HSUS has "stolen" the spotlight with their national campaigns for donations that SHOULD be going to local shelters that actually HELP individual animals. Or just read the end of the book they wrote, supposedly about reptile care, but really written to try to undermine our industry. This is their quote from their book:

"Finally, we recommend that [government] regulatory bodies put an end to the reptile trade: State and local authorities are encouraged to ban the commercial collection of reptiles to protect wild populations of reptiles and ban the sale of reptiles as pets to the general public in order to protect human health..."

Does that sound like a reasonable group that we can work with?

Here is an article that Bill and I wrote after doing some research ourselves:
http://cornutopia.com/Corn Utopia on the Web/- LURKING ENEMY Cornutopia corn snakes cornsnakes.htm

If you spend some time researching, you will see that most of their multimillion dollar budget goes for activist / lobbying efforts, and salaries, not saving puppies and kittens. There is a site online (I forget if we have it linked from my article) that lists quotes from various humaniac groups. Quotes are great, because you can get a good feel about their positions from what comes out of the mouths of the people in charge of a particular organization. If we don't already have it linked, be sure to search for quotes.

Also, search on this forum for the last thread in which we discussed "humaniac" groups. There were some interesting posts, if you want to read further.

Anytime I get the chance to speak out against HSUS, PETA, Defenders of Wildlife, or any other radical humaniac group, I will try to "help" their organizations in the very same way that they "help" our hobby/ industry.
 
Haha! Looks like...

I took too long in composing my post. Others have "beat me to the punch", lol!
 
Thanks Andrew and Kyle. You know, it's somewhat comical...in my day to day life, at work, I have people in my office every day trying to tell me that black is white and up is down...and I've come to wade through that by second nature.

What is disconcerting is that there are just as many people out there in the (real/ordinary??) world, with plenty of letters after their name, trying to make similarly absurd claims.....and the number of people who seem unwilling or unable to wade through the muck. (Muck = HSUS, PETA, etc.)

And Kathy. I can type fast, but read slow....so thank you.
 
Petition signed- not that the IRS is going to look at this seriously, unfortunately anti-kickback laws don't apply to the government,lol
 
Thanks goes to Andrew for bringing this petition to light.

Look they even PO'd the Shih Tzu owners ( now they've really done it! lol).

http://www.shihtzu.org/info/peta_hsus.asp?menu=Info
Uh oh....don't PO the toy dog owners, that's when we'll have trouble, with a capital "T", right here in River City.

Doris Day? As antagonist. I just can't picture it.

But we've got Tippi Hedren on our side, so look out Doris Day.
 
Thanks for the Shih Tzu link!

It is great that SOME dog owners are beginning to realize that our foes are after NOT ONLY exotics, hunters, and furriers. ALL animal keepers' freedoms are at stake, and we had better start banding together before we all fall separately!

I believe that the majority of donations for these types of organizations come from dog and cat lovers who think they are helping cats and dogs, and animals in general. If only enough of them could be convinced of the true agenda, donations would dry up in a big way. The Shih Tzu article is one of the first I have seen of cat or dog groups condemning humaniac organizations.
 
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