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Puzzled???????

Naptown Reptiles

Naptown Reptiles

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Well here goes, this season I bred a Butter Motley to a Hypo Bloodred and pretty much knew I would be getting all Normal appearing babies out. Tonight as I went to check other eggs and to setup new babies I looked in this container to see how many were out and to get them setup. To my surprise I found something more then I thought I would get in the clutch, the clutch had 11 eggs in it and I found 5 Normal, 4 Butters, and 2 Albinos. As far as I know the Hypo Bloodred isn't het for Butter or Amel, and they both animals come from totally different breeders. So can any one shed me a little light on this, I've been breeding corns now for about 12 years now and some things still puzzle me.

Thanks
Rich
 
Are you sure the Butters are Butters and not just lighter Amels? Just a thought. It would be quite easy to have the Hypo Blood het for Amel while you'd think if you got them from a private breeder het for Amel and Caramel would have been indicated (in price if anything!) with the Hypo Bloodred. :shrugs:

D80
 
I'd have to agree. Being het amel is and having light amel babies is far more likely than having het amel and het caramel. If you can post pics of parents and hatchlings it might help us more.

~Katie
 
In addition to the above listed possibilities, if the butter motley is the female, she may have retained sperm from last year and produced some butters and amels from a previous pairing.
 
The father is the Butter Motley and the Mother is the Hypo Bloodred, this was her first year breeding.

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Looks like a butter to moi... I think that either both/one snake(s) have hidden hets or as Susan said, the female retained sperm from the last breeding.
 
wowser

Looks like a butter to me and the other might be a carmel? clearer pictures would definetly help! And maybe better pictures of the bloodred belly shots and all!. anyway congrats if they are one step closer to your project! :cheers:
 
Wow! I'd have to agree with Stephen. In that first hatchling picture the Anery-type one looks like it could be a Caramel as well! Have they had their first sheds yet?!

D80
 
Could the hypo Blood ( It's in shed right?) actually be a dark fire ( Amel Blood) that is het for caramel? Just my 2 cents???
 
shed'n my skin said:
If so all babies would be amel + something... there wouldn't be that dark one in the mix would there?. I'm too tired to think genetics sense LOL
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Yep...if it were a fire het caramel x butter motley all the babies would have been amel het motley and diffused or butter het motley and diffused.

I'd have to agree that it looks like a butter. Awesome hidden hets there! I'd find a caramel something (caramel, butter, amber) to breed your butter motley to next year to double check yourself he's het caramel...plus it gives you more fun genes to work with.

~Katie
 
Ok, I got some better pics of the babies and of mom (Hypo Bloodred), so here they are after their first sheds.

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Tell what you all think.
Thanks
Rich
 
The first hatchling, I can't quite tell, but it could be a Caramel. Are the colors between the saddles more yellow or orange?
The next two, I'd have no trouble believing they were Butters, followed by an Amel and then a definite Normal. Wow! Congrats on hitting some amazing hidden hets. I'd definitely breed mom to something like a Butter het Bloodred or a Caramel het Amel Bloodred or an Amber het Amel Bloodred . . . well, you get the picture.

D80

PS. At first glance in the post shed picture I wouldn't have expected the mother to be a Hypo Bloodred, but the belly shot sure does the convincing as far as I'm concerned. (In the "blue" picture she does look Hypo Blood . . . go figure!) Any idea on where she came from? Breeder name, etc that you can contact? :shrugs:
 
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