Roy Munson
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ultimuttone said:
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Rant about "searching"
- Thread starter ashleynicole
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Oh no, not another post from HER! :santa:
princess
Cornaholic
Ash...I'm sorry to have to say this but...
QUIT WHINING.
By having a hissy fit and storming out of the room, you're not harming the site at all. All you're doing is closing a door for yourself to a place that is a wealth of information that could ultimately save your snakes life.
Each forum has it's own strengths and weaknesses, I was a member in a mouse forum where the moderators seemed to be there 10 hours a day. Rich has to deal with a phenomenal number of hatchlings each year (I believe I heard 6,000 recently) as well as showing and exhibiting so he can't answer the 200+ threads that pop up each day.
QUIT WHINING.
By having a hissy fit and storming out of the room, you're not harming the site at all. All you're doing is closing a door for yourself to a place that is a wealth of information that could ultimately save your snakes life.
Each forum has it's own strengths and weaknesses, I was a member in a mouse forum where the moderators seemed to be there 10 hours a day. Rich has to deal with a phenomenal number of hatchlings each year (I believe I heard 6,000 recently) as well as showing and exhibiting so he can't answer the 200+ threads that pop up each day.
PtDnsr
I like calculus
I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels like this, but I'm sorry you feel this way. Is it really that wrong to want to make information easy to find to take some of the pressure off of yourself? I do it for my class notes and filing all of my school paperwork - is that wrong? No matter what the site was created and intended for that may not be where it is today. I think that this is a site that runs off of Rich's generosity where corn lovers can get together and help eachother out. I do have to point out a slight flaw in your logic - most cases of ich are so far gone by the time someone posts that there may not be time for them to slog through tons of old posts and it's also very easy to say do this to treat it. With corns most of the stuff is not immediately life threatening (notice I say most) and the responsible owner should have time to look things up. Another flaw is that no two forums are ever the same - either in the way they are run or the people that are a part of them. Personally I think that this is a wonderful forum, no matter why it was started and I rely on it a ton for information that I need.ashleynicole said:
~Katie
Remember - it's just my opinion
ashleynicole
New member
princess said:
thats fine, but i don't feel the need to be a member of this forum any longer if it is a community like this. I have the choice to decide which forums i would like to be a member of. If i can find the information from another reliable source, which i CAN , then i will.. honestly the information here has'nt really been more helpful than anything i already knew about snakes from researching them. And most advicewebsites have more than one advisor/moderator to help regularte control of the threads and answer them as well.
Aquariumadvice is currently the number one aquatic advice forum on the web http://www.aquarank.com/index.php
can you say that about your forum?
ashleynicole
New member
PtDnsr said:
theres a few mods over there that are zooligist/herpatoligist .. (excuse my spelling) and the one has raised cornsnakes and done rescues for a long time and my first post about my snake was in the lounge over at aquarium advice. I sent a question with the subject "sorry to bother you" and he just replied with "its not a bother at all" and then answered my question.. of course it wasn't the same day. but he took the time to give me his knowledge and he has still answered questions better than anyone over here.
carol
Down with the sickness
ashleynicole said:
But if he had answered those questions before in a forum, I bet you he would have sent a link. Just curious, how would you feel if you found out he had already answered those questions and just cut and pasted some answers?
Why are our answers less helpful if they are answered before you ask? Don't get me wrong, I'm not against anyone posting questions, I'm against people looking down on the search function and demanding they shouldn't have to use it, and at the same time demanding we answer them instead.
If my answer to a question is the same as when I answered it last time, why is there more value in me retyping the same exact information as oppossed to directing you to the last time I (and others) answered it?
ashleynicole
New member
ah but im not saying the answers are less helpful if they've already been used. Cuttting and pasting is not a problem, pasting a link is not a problem, but simply telling someone to search each adn every time. now that IS a problem.
cka
memba
ashleynicole said:
I guess we're a bad forum because unlike the Mods and Admin's on your aquarium site we don't live online and anxiously await those "what should I feed my corn snake" questions" (and the rest of the "introductory" questions that get asked over and over and over)...
Why is asking you to "do a search" on something basic so wrong?...instead of you waiting for someone to answer within seconds you would have access to pertinant answers and opinions from professional as well as hobbyist level keepers...more times than not here, those basic questions get answered anyway, so maybe you are just having a bad day??? I just don't see where that would warrant your wanting to be removed from this site :shrugs:
Roy Munson
New member
ashleynicole said:
Who does this each and every time? I haven't seen it. The participants in this forum make it what it is. There's room enough for people who feel the way you do, and for people who do not. Are you really so intolerant that you need everyone to do things your way or you're not participating? Why did you ask for opinions in the first place, if you didn't really want to hear them?
I'd reconsider your position on leaving the forum. I don't think anyone here would hold your opinion against you- you're entitled to it. But you can't expect EVERYONE to conform to your P.O.V.. Like I said, the participants make the forum. Do your part to make it the way you want it, and everyone else can do the same. What's wrong with that?
-Dean
ultimuttone
Murphy is my Sancho :/
ok maybe that didn't come out right...
"Quote:
Originally Posted by ultimuttone
I am a newly registered member here...
Oh no, not another post from HER! "
No one has been anything less than friendly with me, but I had just noticed some discussions about certain members and their numerous posts and the sarcastic remarks made. ( Don't get me wrong, sarcasm can be a good thing and I have ROFLMAO reading more than one thread). I was thrilled to find this forum and the vast amount of knowledge and info contained here. I just hope that the seasoned users have not gotten so bored with the newcomers that they find us all obnoxious. :grin01:
Actually these heated discussions, while in themselves are rather redundant, are both informative and amusing.
BTW-I decided to take your remark as my welcome. Thank you. :wavey:
"Quote:
Originally Posted by ultimuttone
I am a newly registered member here...
Oh no, not another post from HER! "
No one has been anything less than friendly with me, but I had just noticed some discussions about certain members and their numerous posts and the sarcastic remarks made. ( Don't get me wrong, sarcasm can be a good thing and I have ROFLMAO reading more than one thread). I was thrilled to find this forum and the vast amount of knowledge and info contained here. I just hope that the seasoned users have not gotten so bored with the newcomers that they find us all obnoxious. :grin01:
Actually these heated discussions, while in themselves are rather redundant, are both informative and amusing.
BTW-I decided to take your remark as my welcome. Thank you. :wavey:
ashleynicole said:
:wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey: :wavey:
Sorry you feel that way, but that is your choice to make. I do not delete members since that would leave huge gaping holes in threads they have participated in. Best I can offer you is that if you find this forum not to your liking, then don't come back here. It appears to be sufficient for nearly everyone else here, so perhaps instead of trying to change our perspective to fit yours, maybe you need to take a hard look at your own. Personally, I have absolutely no intention whatsoever of bending over backwards to try to please everyone.
Now with that being said, if you do decide to leave, who exactly is getting the short end of that particular stick? You came here because you apparently needed information and advice that people here have. Not the other way around. Who is being harmed if they storm out the door in a huff because their "rant" didn't turn out like they wanted it to? What did you have to offer us that we will now have to do without? :shrugs:
cornsnakekid92
trouser snake
nicly put Rich, i just dont get some ppl this days
well maybe im not the person tho answer in here .
but on all the Dutch forums where i come its very normal that u really use the search function.
and if u dont want to use your own time to do a search , why would other ppl use there time to help u ?
when i joined this forum i had so many question about everthing ,and now i got all my answers and much more by only useing the search
i mean why making a new topic about stuff that maybe is beein answered loads of times
and sure u always can ask questions and discus stuff ,but your input in that is valueable tho
my 2 penny's
but on all the Dutch forums where i come its very normal that u really use the search function.
and if u dont want to use your own time to do a search , why would other ppl use there time to help u ?
when i joined this forum i had so many question about everthing ,and now i got all my answers and much more by only useing the search
i mean why making a new topic about stuff that maybe is beein answered loads of times
and sure u always can ask questions and discus stuff ,but your input in that is valueable tho
my 2 penny's
TrpnBils
22 is not enough snakes
I see there are 3 new pages to this that I haven't read yet, but I would like to direct some attention to this post by Dminor9.
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=184223&postcount=11
This is his 3rd post on the forum.
And he's right on the money....see? It's not just the people that have answered the same questions over and over and over again that suggest the search function.
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=184223&postcount=11
This is his 3rd post on the forum.
And he's right on the money....see? It's not just the people that have answered the same questions over and over and over again that suggest the search function.
Serpwidgets
New member
Ya know, don't insult our intelligence with this charade. If you didn't want to be a member here, you wouldn't continue posting. Your little hissy fit as an attempt to manipulate is transparent, as transparent as OC's was, and every other person who has done so on this and pretty much any forum that has been around long enough. Maybe when you're a 15 year old girl that "I'm gonna stomp my feet and pout until I get my way" garbage works on your friends, boyfriends, or family. But as you've seen, it doesn't fly here.
mrweaw
Branching out into geckos
I wonder if these newbies here complaining have any idea how busy we are this time of year? Spring and Summer are insane in the cornsnake world! There is enough information on this forum to answer 99% of the questions out there. Most people don't mind answering them time and again but when you are trying to feed, sex, and clean rooms full of hatchlings...the time for repetitiveness is limited. I'm sure that the aquarium people are great about answering every little question, but to the best of my knowledge, and I may be wrong, fish don't have the same kind of breeding cycle that corns do. We are a good group of people around here and welcome others to join, but there must be some understanding among people.
Taceas
USW = UB313
Having come across this thread late, I just have a few things to say.
For one, I agree wholeheartedly with Carol, Rich, Pt, and several others in what they have said.
Our "so-called" suggestions of using the search feature, that does not by any means mean that we're too lazy to answer. Quite the opposite. For another thing, I don't think I've never seen people just post a reply that only says "use the search function". I personally typically offer some constructive advice with the time I feel I want to spend answering it, and typically tack on a "if you want more thorough information, go here" type of ending.
I think you're simply looking at what you want to look at. Its like driving down the road and trying to count each time that you see a red car, a colour you don't like. So now you have your sights set out to look for such replies that now because it annoys you so much. I think you should cool your jets just a tad and take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
Most of the beginner type of questions I come across, I simply don't answer anymore. I generally gauge by how the person types, their age, and the type of question asked as to whether or not I deem myself worthy to reply. If I sense that they are intellectually capable of understanding my reply, I'll offer up a wealth of previously regurgitated information and reply. If I feel they're 15 years old, too damned lazy to READ for themselves, and if I can't rede theyre responces wo getng a hedache...I skip them by and hope for the best their snake doesn't die.
I've been here since 2003, and most of the time if I have a question that the Corn Snake Manual hasn't touched on I'll hit the Search area. There's a LOT of stuff in there I don't even remember people talking about concerning that topic. And if it doesn't have the answer I'm looking for, I'll post a question.
I think leaving here would be a mistake. I've been on a couple of different forums myself, and this is the one I chose to call home. Having a multitude of mods or admins in my personal opinion creates nothing but trouble, as they all think its their personal joint and can see fit how to make you fit their mold. Rich owns this site and runs it from the generosity of his heart, a few of us pitch in monetarily, but 99% of the time there is no reason for a mod...we all help out everyone else. Thats what the forum is for, no?
We may not have mods, but several of our members are more formally educated. Veterinarians, vet techs, teachers, and the rest of us are every-day garden variety corn snake hobbyists..so I don't think you have to have gone to college to be smart enough to be a great and oh so helpful mod.
We're all busy people, we all pitch in and answer what we can. But when some questions get answered till the horse has died, it just gets redundant, especially if its a controversial topic, such as housing snakes together. Each camp has their own perspective, which is what I think Carol was talking about getting different opinions of one theory. So I hardly think its ALL questions are given the "use the search" response...just those that tend to end up in a heated discussion or from posters who have posted such inane questions in a period of days with an obvious lack of wanting to work for themselves mentality that we simply try to help, but get sick of being suckered in over and over.
I'm sure that some people do tend to shrug people off by saying that, but they would have to be the severe minority. I can only think of one at the moment, but then again when there's a misanthropic persona of discussion...he always crops up. :grin01:
I think by the length and intensity of the responses that you've gotten here from some of the best on this forum so far, even if they're not going your way, you can clearly see we're not all lazy or mean people. I would hope with going through medical school (?) that you can accept that people all have a different opinion and not all seem helpful when they ask you to do your own homework. Hell my parents told me that on a daily basis, now I'm glad I did.
For a future suggestion, I never thought it wise to rock the boat when you've only got one leg in so far...
For one, I agree wholeheartedly with Carol, Rich, Pt, and several others in what they have said.
Our "so-called" suggestions of using the search feature, that does not by any means mean that we're too lazy to answer. Quite the opposite. For another thing, I don't think I've never seen people just post a reply that only says "use the search function". I personally typically offer some constructive advice with the time I feel I want to spend answering it, and typically tack on a "if you want more thorough information, go here" type of ending.
I think you're simply looking at what you want to look at. Its like driving down the road and trying to count each time that you see a red car, a colour you don't like. So now you have your sights set out to look for such replies that now because it annoys you so much. I think you should cool your jets just a tad and take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
Most of the beginner type of questions I come across, I simply don't answer anymore. I generally gauge by how the person types, their age, and the type of question asked as to whether or not I deem myself worthy to reply. If I sense that they are intellectually capable of understanding my reply, I'll offer up a wealth of previously regurgitated information and reply. If I feel they're 15 years old, too damned lazy to READ for themselves, and if I can't rede theyre responces wo getng a hedache...I skip them by and hope for the best their snake doesn't die.
I've been here since 2003, and most of the time if I have a question that the Corn Snake Manual hasn't touched on I'll hit the Search area. There's a LOT of stuff in there I don't even remember people talking about concerning that topic. And if it doesn't have the answer I'm looking for, I'll post a question.
I think leaving here would be a mistake. I've been on a couple of different forums myself, and this is the one I chose to call home. Having a multitude of mods or admins in my personal opinion creates nothing but trouble, as they all think its their personal joint and can see fit how to make you fit their mold. Rich owns this site and runs it from the generosity of his heart, a few of us pitch in monetarily, but 99% of the time there is no reason for a mod...we all help out everyone else. Thats what the forum is for, no?
We may not have mods, but several of our members are more formally educated. Veterinarians, vet techs, teachers, and the rest of us are every-day garden variety corn snake hobbyists..so I don't think you have to have gone to college to be smart enough to be a great and oh so helpful mod.
We're all busy people, we all pitch in and answer what we can. But when some questions get answered till the horse has died, it just gets redundant, especially if its a controversial topic, such as housing snakes together. Each camp has their own perspective, which is what I think Carol was talking about getting different opinions of one theory. So I hardly think its ALL questions are given the "use the search" response...just those that tend to end up in a heated discussion or from posters who have posted such inane questions in a period of days with an obvious lack of wanting to work for themselves mentality that we simply try to help, but get sick of being suckered in over and over.
I'm sure that some people do tend to shrug people off by saying that, but they would have to be the severe minority. I can only think of one at the moment, but then again when there's a misanthropic persona of discussion...he always crops up. :grin01:
I think by the length and intensity of the responses that you've gotten here from some of the best on this forum so far, even if they're not going your way, you can clearly see we're not all lazy or mean people. I would hope with going through medical school (?) that you can accept that people all have a different opinion and not all seem helpful when they ask you to do your own homework. Hell my parents told me that on a daily basis, now I'm glad I did.
For a future suggestion, I never thought it wise to rock the boat when you've only got one leg in so far...
carol
Down with the sickness
ashleynicole said:
I can't think of a certain member that's only contribution is telling people to search for each and every time. Maybe if you can and this was your real concern, the matter could have been brought up privately through a PM. It would have gone over a lot better than making a broad implication that people who say "do a search" don't care about others if they don't have the hours to repeat information over and over.