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Redcoat Lava Pied-sided 2011

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Striped Topaz SK SG Free
I have been working toward this combination for a few years. Her father is the nicest Redcoat Bloodred I have and now has proven to be het for Lava! The last two photos are of him, and his very red belly pattern. The red on the last half of the belly pattern is one marker for the Redcoat gene.

The offspring from the male Bloodred I used to start this line, has produced Pied-sided when bred to Don S Pied-sided Bloodreds.

This PS does not have Don S Pied-sided in her background. It seems as if, the Don S PS line matches up with this line to produce Pied-sided offspring AND Pied-sided offspring can be produced without the Don S PS line involved.
 

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Gotta Love that RED Factor!!!!

WOW!!! BEAUTIFUL RED FACTOR Snakes!!:bowdown: Any 2011s for sale?

Todd
 
WOW!!! BEAUTIFUL RED FACTOR Snakes!!:bowdown: Any 2011s for sale?

Todd
Redcoats yes, RC Lava PS Bloodreds no. I only hatched out two in the clutch.

It seems as if Don Soderbergs Red Mask/Red Factor and my Redcoat are NOT the same effect.

The Red Factor causes pinks/reds to the background color, like with Neons while my Redcoat causes Red/Pink to the Blotched areas and a top coat of red color, like with Champagnes and Bubblegums.

Strawberry Hypo also adds pink to the blotched area of Snows.

Neons, Bubblegums, Salmons, Corals and Champagnes have all been bred together and the genes are very mixed up. Most likely the most extreme Pink Snows are a combo of Strawberry, Red Factor and Redcoat.

Do you like Redcoat or RedCoat? or perhaps Red Coat? I have evidence it is recessive.
 
Joe, Thanks for the info! I thought Red Factor and Red Coat were the same. Where can we read-up on these? Would you consider a Cayenne Fire to be a Fire that has Red Factor or Red Coat?

Thanks for any info!

Todd:dancer:
 
Joe, Thanks for the info! I thought Red Factor and Red Coat were the same. Where can we read-up on these? Would you consider a Cayenne Fire to be a Fire that has Red Factor or Red Coat?

Thanks for any info!

Todd:dancer:
Check out the belly pattern. If it is half red, I would say Red Coat. The belly pattern of this Red Coat Okeetee het Lava looks like a red and black checker board. I have to say that Cayennes are the only Fires that I am impressed with. Most other Fires are severely lacking in the red department, especially Striped Fires.

They could easily be a combo of both. There is not much to know about them, except they cause red pigment in different areas.

Here is one of my favorite Red Coats. Perhaps he is a combo of Red Factor and Red Coat. Perhaps the Abbott's Okeetee he is compared with is a Red Factor.

It is not something that is easily seen, especially when other morph combines are added, which mask the effect. The easiest way to see Red Coat is on a Snow.

We also have a Yellow Gene in our Corns that seems to be dominant. It changes RED to bright ORANGE, like true Sunglows are known for. A Sunglow is not just the lack of white, but needs the addition of Red Coat to make them SHINE!
 

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Wow wow wow wow wowww! What colours! That baby is going to be a stunning adult! Congrats on the newborn, time payed off for you :)
 
Check out the belly pattern. If it is half red, I would say Red Coat. The belly pattern of this Red Coat Okeetee het Lava looks like a red and black checker board. I have to say that Cayennes are the only Fires that I am impressed with. Most other Fires are severely lacking in the red department, especially Striped Fires.

Great looking animals but I was wondering what breeding trials you have done to prove out the red coat. I love that bloodred but he just looks like a really good blood. I have also seen a lot of bloods that have an red belly but would not consider them red coat.
I know you do a lot of genetic trials and would be interested in what you have found if you get a minute.
Thanks
John
 
Great looking animals but I was wondering what breeding trials you have done to prove out the red coat. I love that bloodred but he just looks like a really good blood. I have also seen a lot of bloods that have an red belly but would not consider them red coat.
I know you do a lot of genetic trials and would be interested in what you have found if you get a minute.
Thanks
John

I would be interested also. I am working with redfactor/redcoat which ever it is. I did a test breeding to an anery het amel, stripe, hypo to an ultramel redfactor/redcoat het anery, diffused. And I may be wrong but in the clutch I had it seemed that the gene was shown more prevelant in the amels and the utlramel of the clutch. There was a couple normals that showed quite a bit of red. The anery and snows didn't show a drop of red.
Any input and expertise from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
 
I would be interested also. I am working with redfactor/redcoat which ever it is. I did a test breeding to an anery het amel, stripe, hypo to an ultramel redfactor/redcoat het anery, diffused. And I may be wrong but in the clutch I had it seemed that the gene was shown more prevelant in the amels and the utlramel of the clutch. There was a couple normals that showed quite a bit of red. The anery and snows didn't show a drop of red.
Any input and expertise from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
In my opinion Red Coat Anerys are BLACK and Silver. Does Anery remove red or change it to Black. It may effect the different layers of red pigment on our Corns differently. I have seen post, where Rich Z questioned the effects of Anery in the same way that I do.

Breeding Trials for this gene/effect have not been done in a scientific way. I guess we need to start with a RC X Normal breeding, if there is such a thing as a Normal.

I can report visual results. Obviously I have been seeing something for years and picking them out of clutches and holding them back. What makes a Cayenne, when genetically it is the same as a Fire. There is something added to the Cayenne recipe. I believe it is RC and/or RF. Cayenne may be a RC Border-less, Diffused Amel, while a Fire is simply a Diffused Amel. We can add Maque to the recipe too.

Here are some very obvious examples which is evidence that RC does exist, but as far as how it is inherited, my best guess is just simple recessive. What makes a Bloodred as opposed to a Diffused? Some Bloodreds are obviously more red than others.

Here is are two examples of RC vs Diffused, or RC Bloodred vs Bloodred. They are the RC Bloodred het Lava(Father of Lava PS vs Bloodred het Opal, RC Bloodred het Striped Charcoal vs Bloodred het Opal. RC Motley(From Champagne line) vs Motley het Butter Lavender, RC Sunkissed vs Sunkissed, and same RC Sunkissed at six months.

Notice how the RC covering obscures the pattern underneath and is an obvious layer of red right on top of all other colors. RC does show itself on Amels, Ultramels, Bloodreds, Lavas and Sunkissed, or Corns from Okeetee lines better than on other lines. Anery RC may be Black, and RC Butters, may have a coating of tangerine color.

I do not have the definitive answers you would like. I will not sell a Het RC, only a visual one. Why are Anerys so different in appearance. When Amel or Lava is added to the mix, it seems to open a window to a layer of red/pink underneath the top layer. This may be true of Sunkissed as well, or all hypomelanistic and Amels, which do remove some melanin or black.

I have been ask many times which RC genes match up. I believe RF and Neons match and RC and Champagnes match. Strawberry is the cause of Salmons, and Corals are Straw/Hypo. I am not so sure that a Hypo Snow is very pink at all. Are Hypo Lavs pink due to Hypo, or Strawberry or Straw/Hypo combo? Do RC Lavenders exist as Pink Lavs, or are they different than pink Hypo Lavs?

I do believe that RC is in several lines, and I have matched it up in Normals from Lavender, Okeetee, Lava, Sunkissed and Bloodred.
 

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What are Champagnes?

When I bred a Champagne to a RC Sunkissed Amel, look what I got. The same is true when bred to a RC Sunkissed Lava, so I believe a Champagne is a RC Snow and can come in Striped or Motley patterns. a Champagne Avalanche is a must make combine.
 

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How about some RC Okeetees and RC Sunkissed het SG

This is pretty obvious that RC exist in Okeetee lines. This breeding was SG Okeetee het Sunkissed X Kathy Love Sunkissed.

The RC is very obvious on both Okeetee Sunkissed morphs, and it is very obvious when it is not present on the Okeetee "Normal" and Okeetee Sunkissed phases.

These are tracible to wild caughts or Hunt Club Okeetees or Jasper County Okeetees. Sunkissed and Lava come from Okeetee lines and RC has been found in both lines.
 

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Hey Joe!
I've got this bloodred male that has produced pied-sided babies before, but no idea about his lineage. Would you consider him a suspect for carrying RC? I really wish someone would take him and breed him, I know there's more to learn from him.

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Hey Joe!
I've got this bloodred male that has produced pied-sided babies before, but no idea about his lineage. Would you consider him a suspect for carrying RC? I really wish someone would take him and breed him, I know there's more to learn from him.

I would not recommend that, or recommend buying from Joe, just my personal opinion, but please go read the BOI before you deal with anyone.

Joe, so glad to see your active on the forums again, I heard some nasty rumors about you being arrested for wildlife violations, perhaps you could address some of those rumors, as well as one about you living in Antarctica on this BOI thread http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111064
 
Thanks for the tip Mike.

I've dealt with Joe. He did right by me. I know the stories. I was merely asking his opinion. Even if everything is true, he may still have some insight that would be beneficial.
 
Thanks for the tip Mike.

I've dealt with Joe. He did right by me. I know the stories. I was merely asking his opinion. Even if everything is true, he may still have some insight that would be beneficial.

Kristy, that's not a tip, it seems to be anomosity for some reason, why..... :shrugs:

As you mention, I have done dealings with Joe in the past, before his personal problem arose and I am actually in a dealing with him at this time and both the past and present dealings have gone very well.

Everyone has heard the stories (from 3 years ago) and Joe has come back and made good on his unfortunate luck. If his personal problem would not have happened in the past, neither would have the post on the BOI.

Walter
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
P.S. Mike, LET IT GO DUDE.... :nope:
 
Although I have no objections about people posting links on this site to any relevant BOI threads, I DO object to BOI like commentary that may associate such links taking place here. This is NOT the BOI, and I don't want this site to become such. One is quite enough for me, thank you very much...
 
I've been a happy customer of Joe's in the past and I am awaiting an incredible redcoat bloodred from him this coming week. So excited!!!

Thanks for all the info Joe, lots of interesting tests still to be done.
 
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